Pros/cons for 9mm vs 357 revolver

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rammerjammer

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I was looking at the SP101 2 3 and 4 inch. Any particular reason you don't miss them? If you could go back or get them again would you get it in 357/38 this time? Or not recommend that specific Revolver for one reason or another ?
I'm not a big fan of the SP101. Had 4 only kept 1. They're decent guns but too heavy and low capacity compared to other carry revolvers. Their triggers aren't very good either. I haven't considered buying another SP101 since I sold 3 and kept the 22 model. I've added many revolvers to my collection and prefer the LCR for carry and full size single actions or K frames for range fun.

If you're looking for a fun range gun you can do much better than an SP101 that is meant to be a carry gun, not a range gun. Get a K or L frame or GP100, basically a full size revolver that will have better triggers, higher capacity and absorb recoil better.
 

powwowell

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SA revolvers are limited in their usefulness. Nothing wrong with that. DA revolvers are favored by me. The only SA revolver I now have is a Heritage in .22lr. i like it.

9mm all the way. Many plusses over .357 and .38 Special . . . cheaper, readily available and good for reloading. Great for plinking, fantastic for self defense. Make them average, make them tough guys, make them bunny farts. Bunny fart reloads work better in revolvers than bottom feeders. No slide spring to work against. 9mm recoil is of little concern in a 4" SP101.

I'm not expecting to ever buy another .357. The ones I have rarely see .357. They are really .38 special revolvers!
 

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357mag for plinking, tougher guys for taking a person's shoes off for them. Excellent rifle round for hunting. Overall the most versatile cartridge.
 

cee_Kamp

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The SP101 will be much better at self defense duty.
Range/fun use, there are many better choices.

I bought a stainless Ruger Blackhawk .357 Mag used at a great price. 4-5/8" barrel. Standard plow handle grips/grip frame.
It was abused by the previous owner. Nicks, scratches, and even a few rust pits.
Was it stored in a wet holster, or even blood splatter? All unknown.
I bought it for usage as a tractor gun, to carry when out doing hard physical labor, digging ditches & bush hogging.
Something you just didn't care if it got wet, muddy, or scratched.
I bought the Birdshead grip frame, Micarta grips, and the blued 9mm cylinder here in the classifieds, and fitted all the parts myself.
I would have preferred a stainless 9mm cylinder, but after looking for more than a year, I settled on blued.
After fitting the cylinder, it had some bare steel and I sent it out for Mil-Spec parkerizing.
I haven't had the original .357 cylinder in the revolver in years.

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I'm pretty traditional. I like the 9mm round, and have guns that were designed to shoot it. They are semiautomatic.
I also have Revolvers that I like and I shoot the cartridges that are designed for them. I don't do out and shoot the hot heavy recoiling cartridges just for comfortable shooting practice. I do like revolvers that can do double duty for target shooting and for carrying in the bush or woods. They all play a valuable in one's life.
It sounds to me like target practice is your personal interest, get a revolver that's designed for extreme accuracy. Ruger and S&W both have guns especially designed for that. Do a little research in that direction.
 

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I've had a couple of S&W 940s and found the recoil objectionable. It's not heavy recoil, but it is very sharp. Uncomfortably so for the power level available. 357 recoil is heavy, but not as sharp. I sold both 940s off and bought a 640 and a 649 to replace them.
 

Rclark

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SA revolvers are limited in their usefulness.
Says who? SAs have been on the job for many many many years now -- when was the Colt Paterson introduced? Oh yeah, 1836 :) . Hunting, Self Defense, target shooting, plinking ... what else is there? :)

As for 9mm ... My person opinion is to shoot semi-auto rounds in semi-auto pistols, and rimmed cartridges in revolvers. Just makes sense to me :) . The .38/.357 is dandy for any purpose you might want to use it for which is what I'd go with. Whether DA or SA. But each to there own :) .
 
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"SA revolvers are limited in their usefulness."

I too disagree with this assessment. As noted above,, they have been around for over 150 years,, and have been used in every type of thing you can imagine.
War? I've heard several stories directly from Vets,, about soldiers who carried AND used a SA handgun in Vietnam.
Self defense. Been that way since they first appeared. And even today,, you might be surprised at the number of people who daily carry a SA handgun for SD.
Plinking, range shooting, informal target work, etc,, all are normal uses.
Competition,, sshhh, don't tell the folks in SASS, IHMSA, or ICORE they aren't competitive.
Hunting. Many, many people hunt with one. And serious handgun hunters will agree that the SA handgun is the basis for customs, heavier calibers, and considered the most common use for handgun hunting.

Now,, I shoot USPSA. It's an action gun game. And yes,, it's dominated by semi-autos. But that's the way the game is designed. And the majority of the shooters are only using .9mm handguns. Same with a lot of folks who carry daily for SD. I'm not saying a SA is the ONLY gun,, but as for being "limited" I'd say they are much more versatile than semi-autos.


But the OP was asking about DOUBLE ACTION HANDGUNS ONLY. While I have all kinds,, I choose to try & stick with answers that help with the original question(s).
 

KurtC

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9mm is less expensive than 38 Special because it uses considerably less brass to make a cartridge, while having similar performance.

Fixed sight revolvers aren't the best choice for "range fun." Niether are those with short barrels.

The 9mm LCR series use moon clips that are thinner than the SP101 and Six series.
 

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I've never been a Taurus fanboy - had a couple and let them go very quick… Below is my only exception… I love this one…

Taurus 692 🥶

 

hike

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Evening, been looking for revolver in either 2 3 4 inch barrel. Considering 357/38 or 9mm. Pros of 9mm is much more affordable and readily available. Cons: higher recoil?(haven't shot 9mm Revolver before) And most revolvers require moon clips which is just another piece of equipment to bend or lose when needed. Any further advice on such conundrum?

Some 9mm cartridges are not made for revolvers and the bullet will literally slip out of the cartridge.
It has happened to me though I don't remember the cartridge brand but the revolver was the plastic body, snub nosed, Ruger 9mm. It has never happened with my S&W 986 PC revolver.
Because of this behavior, I never used the Ruger has a SD firearm.
Personally, I buy .357 revolvers and shoot .38 special rounds through them. The S&W 986/9mm is softer shooting than the 357 w/38s revolver.
HTH
 

Rock185

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While I've been known to enjoy the 9mm revolvers, I think most shooters are going to prefer the traditional .38/.357s. Especially for recreational range use. For such use, I'd also recommend adjustable sights. The only somewhat available DA 9mm revolvers that don't require moon clips I'm aware of are the Korth, long discontinued S&W 547, and possibly the Charter Arms. The Charter Arms don't seem to be highly recommended. I have no experience with Korth, but the two 547s I had were excellent.

The 9mm in the little 2" and 3" revolvers sometimes delivers surprisingly good ballistics. Much closer to .357 than 38+P. Be that as it may, I think the vast majority of shooters are going to prefer the traditional rimmed cartridges in their revolvers..
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I'm willing to bet 17 rounds of 9mm can stop more threats than 6 hot .357 rounds.
Good point. It's hard to argue that more is better in some cases... say for a situation like crowd control but there are circumstances that a larger caliber AND better marksmanship is just more effective than a lot of rounds.

In either case having a firearm, ANY firearm when needed is better than having none :) The rest is theology.

Way back I once read in a paper gun rag (paraphrased) "I never criticize a man for what he carries for self defense, it's not my life at stake!"
 
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SteveSt

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I like both rounds for whatever targets I want to fill with holes. For home defense, I keep a 9mm in my nightstand with an extra full mag in the holster. In my walk-in closet, I keep a S&W 357 with 2 extra speed loaders of home defense ammo. The odds are I will never have a need for them, but I don't play to the odds. I try to stay prepared for most any emergency.
 
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I'm willing to bet 17 rounds of 9mm can stop more threats than 6 hot .357 rounds.
If you find yourself in a situation where you need more than six rounds of .357, then probably the best solution is to exit. Just because you have more rounds, doesn't mean you need to use them, and it doesn't make it better.
 

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If you find yourself in a situation where you need more than six rounds of .357, then probably the best solution is to exit. Just because you have more rounds, doesn't mean you need to use them, and it doesn't make it better.
There are very few scenarios where one would choose to stay in a gunfight then scoot, myself included. Of course there are times when exit isn't feasible and stand and fight is necessary.
 

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A bit late to the party but here's my take on 9mm revolvers:

1) The main advantage of a 9mm revolver over a .38 Special revolver is the ability to use moon clips with a short cartridge that aligns and loads very easily with the chambers. If I the bullets have a round nose profile or anything close to it they almost guide themselves into the chambers.

2) Moon clips are cheap compared to a speed loader and take up less space. You need to avoid the cheap mild steel clips, but well made clips like those sold by TK Customs (which appear to be OEM for the Ruger 9mm revolvers) work very well.

3) Moon clips allow for a faster reload, on the order of about 1/2 second less than most speed loaders.

4) Moon clips also provide for more reliable ejection with zero chance of a cartridge getting stuck under an ejector star, a failure that will prevent a reload and require several second and some fine motor skills to clear.

5) In terms of power, a 9mm will give you .38 +P velocities at comparable bullet weights, albeit at higher pressures with a bit more muzzle blast.

6) The downside of course is you are limited to 5, 6 or 7 rounds in practical concealed carry sized 9mm revolvers.

But let's keep that in perspective. Data on defensive handgun use is controversial as in the vast majority of defensive handgun uses, the event is not likely to be reported. Defensive handgun uses occur on various levels.

A) Most often, an individual conceal carrying a handgun who demonstrates a reasonable degree of situational awareness also won't be displaying the tells a potential assailant is normally expecting to see. They will quite often note the assailant and make eye contact making it clear there is no element of surprise. A professional / competent criminal might not key on exactly what's wrong with the picture, but they will seek a softer target. In that case the would be victim avoids an assault or robbery but never knows for sure that a crime was prevented.

B) In a smaller number and percentage of defensive handgun uses, the would be victim may begin to draw or actually draw the weapon. Again, a competent criminal will recognize they are about to be shot and discontinue the assault. In those case, most people would probably not report the occurrence to law enforcement, especially in urban settings where police departments are often not very supportive of armed citizens and concealed carry permits.

C) The next level is the would be victim actually firing the handgun, without hitting the assailant, who again discontinues the assault and flees. This is more likely to be reported, especially if there were witnesses and almost certainly reported if the victim was injured in the assault.

D) The level where defensive handgun uses begin to be reliably and consistently captured in the data is when the victim actually shoots the assailant. That might be 10% of total handgun uses.

Of those assailants who are shot, the data suggests that about half of them will immediately flee or surrender as they don't want to get shot again. The cartridge used makes virtually no difference, as long as the assailant knows they've been shot, the potential for a psychological stop is in play.

E) In that half of defensive handgun uses where the assailant is actually shot, and doesn't immediately stop, the cartridge finally starts to matter. That's maybe 2 1/2% of all defensive handgun uses.

F) In the those cases where multiple shots are fired, the gun fight is still over in 5 rounds or less in 5 seconds or less, at 5 yards or less, around 90% of the time. That 10% where more than 5 rounds is required is one quarter of one percent of defensive handgun uses - 1 in every 400 defensive handgun uses.

In my case, I had two work related defense handgun uses and in both cases the assailant stopped as soon as the duty pistol was drawn. I also had one attempted mugging where I drove the assailant back with a strike to the chest and driving into him to block the knife and keep him off balance while blading my body and lifting my jacket to draw my concealed handgun. I never got the chance to complete the draw a she immediately fled as soon as he realized he was about to get shot.

It won't be popular, but the fact is that armed citizens are not chasing bad buys into dark and scary places. In fact, they should be using a reasonable level of situational awareness to detect and then retreat from or avoid a high threat environment.

If you want to carry a bat belt with a full size duty 15-17 round duty pistol and two spare magazines thinking you might someday need 46 to 52 rounds of ammunition, knock yourself out. But the odds are you'd only need more than 5 rounds in just 1 out of 400 defensive handgun uses - and the odds are if you ever do need to employ a handgun in self defense, you won't even fire it.

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9mm revolver wise, I have, in increasing size, a Taurus 905, a Ruger SP101, a Ruger Speed Six, and an RIA imported Alpha Proj AL 9.0.

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The Taurus 905 is a variant on the Rossi/Taurus 85, which in turn is basically a S&W Model 36, introduced back when S&W owned Rossi. Like a J frame Model 36, it's a compact five shot revolver well suited to concealed carry. Taurus quality is however…spotty…at best. I bought this one at a local gun shop and bright it back less a than an hour later when I discovered the cylinder would not close into the frame with a loaded moon clip, as the cylinder was not properly cut for the rather thick moon clips that came with it.

The shop gave me the option of sending it back to the factory for me, or giving me a refund. I took the refund, but four months later when it came back from the factory I purchased it again. The DA trigger pull is quite good, but it's also primer sensitive as it won't give 100 percent reliability with CCI primers. With Federal and Winchester primers, it's been 100%.

The Ruger SP101 is my most recent acquisition and my experience with the SP101 has been checkered. I have had a 3" SP101 in .357 Mag for over a decade and it's been an excellent revolver. I did install a lighter trigger return spring and lighter hammer spring to reduce the DA trigger pull weight. I also bought a 4.2" SP101 that had an improperly cut forcing cone. Long story short, two trips back to Ruger, out $75 in shipping when they lost the receipt, and then a replacement revolver about 5 months later than I expected as then didn't bother to tell me they would not ship it until they made another run of them.

I probably would not have bought this last one, except I really wanted one in 9mm, and it had been years since I'd actually seen one in a local gun shop (local in this case being about 90 minutes away). The first one I tried felt exceptionally gritty, but the second was fine and after a close inspection I bought it. I should have inspected the accessories as I discovered it did not in fact have the expected envelope with three moon clips in it.

But kudos to Ruger as I sent them an e-mail after on Saturday and they called me back by 10am EST Monday morning, and overnighted moon clips to me.

My Ruger Speed Six in 9mm was acquired used and like my other Speed Six in .357 Mag and my 2 3/4" Security Six in .357 Mag it's a superb revolver, if a bit large for a 9mm revolver.

My Alpha Proj 9.0 is K frame sized and is a decent range gun. However, the chambers needed polishing before it would eject cartridges smoothly.

Of the four, the Taurus 905 and SP101 are best suited to defensive concealed carry purposes. As always, the peg grip frame on the SP101 makes it extremely accommodating for after market grips to adjust the revolver to your hand size and there is a huge number of available grip options out there. The selection and range of adjustment via grip for the Taurus is still good, but more limited than the SP101.
 
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