Ruger Flagship Revolver

[Actnbill]

If these crazy liberal DA's and politicians keep getting their way the only thing we'll be talking about is the stuff we Used to have...Eh Comrade....

I still remember when my neighbor's grandfather towed a Howitzer down the road in CT behind his truck on the way to a parade.

The police pulled up along side, smiled, and went about their day.....

I'm just afraid by 2100 we'll be talking about the time a person could own his own gun and carry it concealed.

 

[hittman]

User experience was all over the place with the things due to poor quality control. Mine had to go back to DW twice before I could compete with it. People swore by them and people swore at them.

Yeah, I had one Dan Wesson 357. I rate them right in line with Taurus.
Now, a buddy across town had a similar model and claimed to love it.

 

[the_leper_colony]

Yeah, I had one Dan Wesson 357. I rate them right in line with Taurus.
Now, a buddy across town had a similar model and claimed to love it.

Back in the 1970s, DW produced 20,000+ "pork chop" .357s for High Standard. Here's an example of a 4" fixed-sight version that sold recently on GunBroker:

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The exterior finish was nice, and pretty much the same on all of the ones I've seen; the interior finish varies widely, however, with tooling marks everywhere on some of them, and a lot less on others (a potential issue because moving parts bear on internal surfaces). It struck me at one point that the low serial number revolvers looked a lot nicer inside than the high serial number revolvers - don't know if that's true in general, or maybe just the ones I've seen.

Made me wonder if DW was maybe using their bits, mills, and cutting tools a little longer than they should have, trying to finish that run of HS Sentinels with the maximum profit margin. Of course, that might have just been how they did things at the time, even for the DW-labeled guns.

As always IMHO, FWIW, YMMV, etc., etc.

 

[el caminero]

I've mentioned several times that the MK & 10-22 are the 1911's of their category. The best of the 20th century. We're almost 1/4 of the way through the 21st. What gun at the turn of the next century will people see as just as significant now as it was originally??? I guess all the 80 year olds can't think that far out. I'm sure that if someone was still making Model T's some people would buy them.

You can almost totally build from catalog parts a model A, a piper cub, a harley or indian or vincent; there is yet a limited market for that, and for selling new-buit ones from the same bits.
Only in America!

 

[Hvymax]

In 2100 the military will be using drones that shoot lasers , there will be weapons that can kill with an energy pulse and weapons like M16s will be viewed like we view Flintlock Muskets today .

And people will still want to shoot .45 Colt 1873s and 1911s just like people think Colt Walkers are "cool"

In an era of jet fighters, air shows with Corsairs and Fokker DrI repros still draw 30,000 people

Antiquity is always interesting. When I go to the range with new shooters they are fascinated by my "80s cop guns " but they'll still go buy a Glock 19

If you haven't noticed my collection covers from flintlocks to the most modern. I will probably always enjoy the experience of firing flintlocks and cap and ball revolvers hurling lead balls.
But my everyday guns with actual purpose are hurling modern projectiles with extreme speed and precision. You want a "Reality Check" on your firearm choice and ability with it shoot dueling trees with someone and their super whiz bang laser gun. Dueling trees and action sports like IDPA etc are as close as you get to shooting for real. There are plenty of "Real Shooter" using 460 and 500S&W. The problem with lesser revolvers is that you are limited to the ammo the factory barrel likes anything else and you're out of luck. I have limitless possibilities with the Dan Wesson. I can call any custom barrel maker, and spec out a barrel that will stabilize anything I can hurl down it. Most of my previous experiments involved hurling heavy bullets extreme distances. Next I might try some 125gr Lehigh's traveling 3,000+ fps and figuring out what it would take to stabilize them. Mad Science at it's best. Crap I got 2,100fps out of a Bond Arms Derringer!!!

 

[el caminero]

I've mentioned several times that the MK & 10-22 are the 1911's of their category. The best of the 20th century. We're almost 1/4 of the way through the 21st. What gun at the turn of the next century will people see as just as significant now as it was originally??? I guess all the 80 year olds can't think that far out. I'm sure that if someone was still making Model T's some people would buy them.

They are; nearly everything needed to make a catalog-parts model a (or deuce) is available. Same for piper cub, harley, indian, vincent. Along with a few limited outfits putting these bits together for you. For A Price. (dont know what happenned to my first answer, there).
Only In America!

 

[Hvymax]

Back in the 1970s, DW produced 20,000+ "pork chop" .357s for High Standard. Here's an example of a 4" fixed-sight version that sold recently on GunBroker:

GunBroker.com - Error

Mines a Gen 2. Probably the best of the best. The Gen 1 pork chops show how complicated it was to machine something that complex. Different steels etc that almost looks like it was made in a garage. Mine has a matching mirror finish on almost every surface. I'm pretty sure the QC barrel issues were from barrels not turned between centers. They probably had early CNC or even manual lathes that fed lengths of barrel from the headstock to be crowned, threaded etc. That's the beauty of turning my own. I turn to diameter and thread between centers before crowning and coning. Much harder to do on a production level. People keep saying that every numbnuts and their brothers won't rush out to buy one. That's not the point of a Flagship. The point of a Flagship is to make anyone seeing it either skulk away in fear or possibly inspire them to making something that will absolutely eclipse it. Watch Ford vs Ferrari. Ford wasn't marketing the GT to Joe numbnuts they were marketing to the most inspired drivers on the planet.

 

[skeen]

I'm a simple man, I'd love to just see Ruger make pinned or better yet dovetailed front sights on their blued Blackhawks and Vaqueros.

Oh, and bring back the .357 Maximum.

 

[Hvymax]

Check out the full length rails system on the S&W 22A. Integrated irons along with any optic choice you can think of. Why would anyone want limits? Why wouldn't you want a full underlug rail? Again lights, lasers, bipods anything you could want to enhance the PERFORMANCE!!! Imagine being able to choose your limitations for a class instead of just having them.

 

[Hvymax]

I'm a simple man, I'd love to just see Ruger make pinned or better yet dovetailed front sights on their blued Blackhawks and Vaqueros.

Oh, and bring back the .357 Maximum.

You want a Jon Boat not a Flagship.

 

[Hvymax]

What I am getting from these threads is that most are happy with their Jon Boat and have no use for a Flagship. Man's got to know his limitations I guess.

 

[the_leper_colony]

...Why wouldn't you want a full underlug rail?...

FWIW, I find rails kind of irritating: they generally add weight and rough edges, as well as the ability to attach stuff that most folks don't need or use. I think many manufacturers put rails on handguns for the same reason they used to put square-shaped trigger guards on handguns - it's currently a popular style. I don't personally have any use for rails on handguns, so I would prefer a modular approach, where rails could be added by the few owners who want them, or left off to reduce the snag factor & save weight.

I'm probably also somewhat eccentric, in not seeing a need for rails all over my rifles. I remember when ArmaLite first started making rails available for their AR-10 & M-15 rifles - they called it their "ALOSTYR" system. Given ArmaLite's hi-tech reputation at the time, I thought at first that it was some kind of engineering acronym. I laughed my head off, when I learned that ALOSTYR simply meant "add lots of stuff to your rifle". (Apparently Mark Westrom had a sense of humor!)

Bottom line, for me at least: adding lots of stuff to your rifle (or handgun) is a great way to increase the weight - fine for a target gun, but maybe not the best approach for something you might need to carry. Obviously, a modular approach might provide the best of both worlds!

As always IMHO, FWIW, YMMV, etc., etc.

 

[Hvymax]

I remember the Quad,Octo rail days. I get by with just top and bottom. My concept is to make the absolute most capable firearm for a category. Pushing the envelope as far as it goes.

 

[aphelion]

Let me tell you I'm not interested in any gun that won't accommodate all those things anymore. I need all the help I can get anymore. My whole point for this thread is to create the gun they will be talking about in 2100. Rails are where it's at. Full length rails are where it's at scopes, dots integrated irons.

Looks like Korth has you covered, at the nice price too -

Korth NXS 8-Shot .357 Magnum | Nighthawk Custom

The Korth NXS is an 8-Shot .357 Magnum revolver. This is the first eight-shot revolver from Korth. The NXS breaks new ground in the legendary Korth revolver lineup.

www.nighthawkcustom.com

 

[trapperon]

Jon boat all the way!
Ron

 

[the_leper_colony]

Looks like Korth has you covered, at the nice price too -

Korth NXS 8-Shot .357 Magnum | Nighthawk Custom

The Korth NXS is an 8-Shot .357 Magnum revolver. This is the first eight-shot revolver from Korth. The NXS breaks new ground in the legendary Korth revolver lineup.

www.nighthawkcustom.com

Heck, for that price you could probably get a Wilson Combat Tactical Supergrade Compact, in a man-sized caliber (one that starts with a "4" ;^)!

 

[Hvymax]

Looks like Korth has you covered, at the nice price too -

Korth NXS 8-Shot .357 Magnum | Nighthawk Custom

The Korth NXS is an 8-Shot .357 Magnum revolver. This is the first eight-shot revolver from Korth. The NXS breaks new ground in the legendary Korth revolver lineup.

www.nighthawkcustom.com

It's pretty novel as well. My idea from the start would be for Ruger to use tech already available to them and with a few tweaks create something epic.
They already make the Super Redhawk. A few small tweaks to the CNC file could stretch the frame as far as needed. Same for the cylinders. A few crane mods and switch cylinders would be no problem. Going from a solid barrel to a sleeved barrel again a few hours with the CNC files. Adding a few rails again not Rocket Surgery. Switchable barrel tubes would allow accurately hurling 500gr+ subsonic and 150gr to 4,000 fps accurately out of the same gun. You could slap a 4-6" barrel on it for carry in Rhino country or a 12-16" barrel and bipod for long range showing off. Making it Switch Caliber would just be further flexing of their absolute superiority over anyone to date!!! I'm sure a decent R&D team could prototype something in under a month and have everything ready for a production run in 6 months. I'm not even suggesting anything that hasn't already been done just combining them into something entirely different.

 

[Onty]

There is 0 market for any of this , the hand cannons that shoot $4 a round ammo do not sell well. 75% of shooters do not handload.

But I bet that at least 95% handgun ammo (revolver even more than semiauto) fired on ranges are handloads.

 

[upter43]

He was the SOUL of the Company. I guess it died with him. You can't hit a home run without a few strikeouts. Sure a team can get by with consistent Base Hitters but who wants to watch that???

Bad as I hate cleaning blackpowder revolvers, I would still like to have one of these Ruger Old Armys

 

[upter43]

I scratch my head with all the new calibers hitting the shelves; 30 Supercarry being another. Never did understand the 327 magnum, given the D.A. S&Ws and Colt 32-20s were available over century ago.