WHY NO STAINLESS LCP ?

[exavid]

I've been watching my LCP and LC9 for corrosion these past couple years since I usually carry IWB. Not too concerned about the .380 I carry in a Nemesis Summer Heat holster because the holster prevents contact with my sweaty hide, it does get hot in Southern Oregon in summer many days over 100F. My Ace Case IWB holster I carry the nine in does allow the end of the slide to make skin contact but even though this is my most usual carry there's been no sign of corrosion on it either. A little holster wear on the sharper edges at the rear of the slide but that's about all. No sign of rust or corrosion on either pistol's innards either so far. I do think the poly frame helps keep corrosion down by not having many seams to let water vapor into the gun.

 

[Mike J]

While it isn't stainless I believe Kel Tec offers a version of their P3AT with a hard chrome slide. If you are worried about rust that might be a way to go. The P3AT & the LCP are very similar designs.

Edited to add: I know how frustrating it is to have rust issues on a slide. I have a Kel Tec P11 that if I carry it & just leave it in the holster for a month without cleaning it will rust. It is annoying. I got aggravated with it & spray painted the slide. It is flaking off already. I am thinking about using one of the do it yourself gun finishes & seeing if it will hold up better. I don't know how Rugers bluing is on these little guns but Kel Tecs is very fragile. Also I am not sure if Kel Tec still offers the hard chrome option or not.

 

[GKC]

Taurus makes some interesting pistols these days...I looked at a Taurus PT111 Millennium G2 the other day. It was a very good looking pistol that felt very good in my hand...held 12 rounds...had double strike capability...and it was priced at $329. Why didn't I buy it? Well, I've owned three Taurus pistols in the past, had no problems with two (other than they don't hold any resale value, if that matters to you, like it does to me, since I trade/sell a lot) but had a lot of trouble with the 3rd...and Taurus customer service was terrible then, and apparently still is.

Taurus has two significant problems to overcome: first is their quality control. Even that wouldn't be SO much of an issue (S&W and Ruger can put out a lemon on occasion too) IF they would take care of any issues with prompt and effective service. While there are more positive reports than there used to be, there are still far too many reports of long delays, multiple returns with the problems not being fixed, etc. Unless I am mistaken, Taurus will not pay for shipping the gun in to be repaired...or they might for the first year...which if a gun is covered for life under warranty, why is the shipping limited? With the cost of shipping that a private individual has to pay, if you pay $200 for a TCP, and then it costs you $90 to ship it in for repair, its not such a good value anymore. S&W, Ruger, and Springfield (among others) have very good customer service and pay for shipping both ways. That's exactly as it should be.

One of the gun shops I like to trade with offers their own lifetime warranty on any gun they sell...except for Taurus. They have a large sign exempting Taurus from their warranty, because they have had so many problems and returns. A couple of other shops I frequent do to carry them, but they tell you up front that they do not recommend them. This is current, not history.

 

[exavid]

When my TCP came apart Taurus sent me a shipping label for UPS so there was no cost to send it to them.

 

[revhigh]

When my TCP came apart Taurus sent me a shipping label for UPS so there was no cost to send it to them.

I'm sure they do ... Ive heard that as well ... People just make stuff up and post it as if its fact ... Hoping nobody verifies it.

The facts are that the current Ruger is really no better than Taurus. While Taurus has been improving for the last 5 years, Ruger has been going downhill ... Especially now that they're really concentrating on pushing the plastic junk, and moving quantity rather than quality.

The Ruger fanboys can crow as much as they want about how great their LC whatever is, but the facts are known by people who have owned Ruger products for 2-3 decades, and have been following the company forever.

Ruger has at least as much of a QC and recall problem as Taurus does. Probably worse. Even their bedrock products have suffered with QC issues, and it really seems as if their new strategy is to put out big numbers and hope that the stuff doesn't come back, or hope that the owners don't shoot the guns enough to have the inherent problems manifest themselves.

Good for stockholders ... Not so much for the gun owners ....

Exactly the reason that most knowledgable Ruger owners here will only buy used, older Ruger guns .... And that's after a very thorough inspection. It's just not worth the gamble any more with the stuff that's coming out of the factory these days. My last new SBH was a disaster ... The barrel was crooked, it was scratched in places, and the rear sight broke after about a month. I sent it back ... It was fixed, and I sold it. It will probably be the last new Ruger I'll ever buy. Really a shame.

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[vito]

Opinions are like xxxxxx, everyone has one. I've bought 3 Rugers in the last several years, all NIB, and all without any problems. My most recent purchases include the LCP and the sr40c, both of which have performed exactly as advertised and fully to my satisfaction. If QC was really bad, this forum would be brimming with indignant complaints and warnings, which it clearly is not. I also consider S&W to make high quality products, and their forum has at least as many complaints about quality and malfunctions, etc. as does the Ruger forum. A gun is a tool, and if the tool doesn't work right you get it fixed, and if multiple tools from the same company are poorly made, you stop buying from that company.

When I carry I usually take a j-frame 38, but sometimes my Ruger LCP. I have total confidence in the reliability of my J-frame, and reasonable confidence in my LCP (if I carried my P97dc I would have as much confidence as I do in a revolver since it has never given me a single problem in many years of firing).

Enough said.

 

[revhigh]

Opinions are like xxxxxx, everyone has one. I've bought 3 Rugers in the last several years, all NIB, and all without any problems. My most recent purchases include the LCP and the sr40c, both of which have performed exactly as advertised and fully to my satisfaction. If QC was really bad, this forum would be brimming with indignant complaints and warnings, which it clearly is not. I also consider S&W to make high quality products, and their forum has at least as many complaints about quality and malfunctions, etc. as does the Ruger forum. A gun is a tool, and if the tool doesn't work right you get it fixed, and if multiple tools from the same company are poorly made, you stop buying from that company.

When I carry I usually take a j-frame 38, but sometimes my Ruger LCP. I have total confidence in the reliability of my J-frame, and reasonable confidence in my LCP (if I carried my P97dc I would have as much confidence as I do in a revolver since it has never given me a single problem in many years of firing).

Enough said.

Correct ... However ... if you really read the forums ... You'll see that there really are quite a few complaints (sights breaking, rust issues, trigger problems, pins coming loose in the plastic guns, recalls, finish issues, feeding issues, mag issues, etc etc) ... and there's a LOT of owners who have had to send their guns back. Just because you've been lucky so far doesn't mean that there aren't real QC issues going on these days. Thankfully ... Ruger's CS is very good.

Hey ... I'm just being realistic ... All my Rugers are flawless too ... But all my Rugers are at least 5 years old ... Most much older. And I don't own any plastic or autos other than MKII's. I've shot enough of the new releases that other people own to know what's going on ....

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[exavid]

I guess I've been lucky then because I have a Ruger LCP, LC9, SR22, SR40c, P345 and a 10/22. All have been faultless with plenty of rounds through them. I did have a SR9 and liked that gun but sold it to get the SR40c. I've owned quite a few other Rugers over the years and have never been unhappy with any of them.
I did sell my MKII .22 because the trigger wasn't as good for Bullseye shooting as my Brownoing Buckmark with it's flipped sear spring.

 

[Jim Puke]

When my TCP came apart Taurus sent me a shipping label for UPS so there was no cost to send it to them.

I'm sure they do ... Ive heard that as well ... People just make stuff up and post it as if its fact ... Hoping nobody verifies it.

The facts are that the current Ruger is really no better than Taurus. While Taurus has been improving for the last 5 years, Ruger has been going downhill ... Especially now that they're really concentrating on pushing the plastic junk, and moving quantity rather than quality.

The Ruger fanboys can crow as much as they want about how great their LC whatever is, but the facts are known by people who have owned Ruger products for 2-3 decades, and have been following the company forever.

Ruger has at least as much of a QC and recall problem as Taurus does. Probably worse. Even their bedrock products have suffered with QC issues, and it really seems as if their new strategy is to put out big numbers and hope that the stuff doesn't come back, or hope that the owners don't shoot the guns enough to have the inherent problems manifest themselves.

Good for stockholders ... Not so much for the gun owners ....

Exactly the reason that most knowledgable Ruger owners here will only buy used, older Ruger guns .... And that's after a very thorough inspection. It's just not worth the gamble any more with the stuff that's coming out of the factory these days. My last new SBH was a disaster ... The barrel was crooked, it was scratched in places, and the rear sight broke after about a month. I sent it back ... It was fixed, and I sold it. It will probably be the last new Ruger I'll ever buy. Really a shame.

REV

What a load of contrarian BS...you don't even believe this.

 

[revhigh]

LOL ... that adds a lot to the discussion, and is a very well thought out argument ..... :roll:

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[exavid]

Au contraire! Jim Luke offered an opinion. Your anti-Ruger diatribe post was an opinion. Either one has a chance of being correct though I believe Jim Luke's opinion would garner more positive votes than yours.

 

[Armybrat]

Correct ... However ... if you really read the forums ... You'll see that there really are quite a few complaints (sights breaking, rust issues, trigger problems, pins coming loose in the plastic guns, recalls, finish issues, feeding issues, mag issues, etc etc) ... and there's a LOT of owners who have had to send their guns back. Just because you've been lucky so far doesn't mean that there aren't real QC issues going on these days. Thankfully ... Ruger's CS is very good.

Hey ... I'm just being realistic ... All my Rugers are flawless too ... But all my Rugers are at least 5 years old ... Most much older. And I don't own any plastic or autos other than MKII's. I've shot enough of the new releases that other people own to know what's going on ....

REV

I'd like to hear how the sights on an LCP could break. :lol:

Didn't even notice there were sights on mine.