Vaquero old model info request

[JPGLSG]

Is there some one out there who really knows the ture skinny on the number of Vaquero's manufactured from 1999 to 2005 on the all Stanless Steel Polished and the Cased Color Frame with blued cyl and brl., in the 3 & 3/4 inch barrel length. Both standard grip and birdshead. I have been told that 500 of each model were made. Respectfully requested.

 

[flatgate]

Well, you'll have a "heck of a time" convincing a collector that a Old Model Vaquero even exists. We rather religiously use the "Old Model" terminology to describe the "original" Ruger Single Action revolvers with their "Colt Like" lockwork and no provisions for a transfer bar. The genius of Bill Ruger did permit him to fit up a "transfer bar" but most collectors aren't big fans of the "conversion kit".

JMHO,

flatgate

PS I recommend that you discuss your question with the Red Eagle News Exchange's Editor in Chief

 

[JPGLSG]

I am sort of new to this Ruger program. My collection of 30 years in Winchesters that turned up missing a while back sent me off collecting the SA Ruger Vaq's with the models I discribed in my message. Just how would one go about contacting Red Eagle.
Thank You

 

[street]

Well, you'll have a "heck of a time" convincing a collector that a Old Model Vaquero even exists. We rather religiously use the "Old Model" terminology to describe the "original" Ruger Single Action revolvers with their "Colt Like" lockwork and no provisions for a transfer bar. The genius of Bill Ruger did permit him to fit up a "transfer bar" but most collectors aren't big fans of the "conversion kit".

JMHO,

flatgate

PS I recommend that you discuss your question with the Red Eagle News Exchange's Editor in Chief

It's true a lot of collectors don't use the term Old Model Vaqueros. And some have used it and have been chastises by the "Incessant scrutinator " and some others that have set themselves up as offical Ruger model designators. I think it all boils down to the fact that Old Model collectors have never liked the New Models and to refer to any new model Ruger as an Old Model anything, upsets them to no end. All I can say is "GET OVER IT"! I for one have alway referred to the large frame Vaquero as "An Old Model Vaquero. I will continue to do so and I have been a collector of Rugers Old and New Models since 1963. A lot of other collectors have used the term Old Model Vaqueros so it's nothing new.

That being said, I will get down from my soap box and look forward to everyone that disagrees with me to express their opinion. After all this discussion has gone on before and I'm sure it will go on again and as far as I am concerned it's all in fun.

All of this makes sense if you all remember:
ALL VAQUEROS ARE NEW MODELS EVEN THE OLD MODEL VAQUEROS ARE NEW MODELS!!! :lol: :lol:

 

[CraigC]

...some others that have set themselves up as official Ruger model designators.

Yeah, I think it was Sturm, Ruger & Co. that did that. But nice try, buttercup.

Now where was that thread where the guy couldn't figure out why his "Old Model Vaquero" didn't have three screws or a half cock notch because "you know what I mean" wasn't "good enough".

 

[ElToro]

New model old vaquero, new model new vaquero ? Or vaquero; new vaquero ? Most people I know refer to it as the old vaquero meaning a 2 digit prefix gun suitable for nuclear 45 and 44 loads, The new vaquero not so much. Not available in 44 mag of course

500 and 500 is a number I have heard before but who knows as some more clean ups frames may be siting in an unopened crate somewhere. I'd like a stainless 44 bisley to upgrade from my blue but they are tough to find at a reasonable price I consider 400$ to $500 max reasonable with the upper end for a bisley As they seem more rare or people just hang onto them. I paid $450 for my bisley 44 vaquero and it came with extra oversize grips and a belt mt. Basepin and $450 for my 45 vaquero. Both new model old vaqueros the 45 came with a nice belt and 2 holsters suitable for CAS that's Probly worth $100 retail Both of mine are 4 5/8 guns in blue

 

[street]

...some others that have set themselves up as official Ruger model designators.

Yeah, I think it was Sturm, Ruger & Co. that did that. But nice try, buttercup.

Now where was that thread where the guy couldn't figure out why his "Old Model Vaquero" didn't have three screws or a half cock notch because "you know what I mean" wasn't "good enough".

"Peanut Gallery" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

Even Ruger gets it wrong sometimes, such as putting just Vaquero on a New Vaquero. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

 

[Sam Johnson]

JPGLSG, You can contact the Red Eagle News editor by a PM to chet15 thru this Forum.

 

[JPGLSG]

Jesus, Mary and Joseph.... All I was tryig to do is find out if anybody knew how many with the 2 digit prefix Vaquero's manufactured from 1999 to 2005, which are listed as out of production, on the all Stanless Steel Polished and the Cased Color Frame with blued cyl and brl., in the 3 & 3/4 inch barrel length. Both standard grip and birdshead. Is it the fuction of the Forum to make the newby collectors look as if we are the unwashed and to be talked down to. Man !!!!!

 

[CraigC]

Jesus, Mary and Joseph.... All I was tryig to do is find out if anybody knew how many with the 2 digit prefix Vaquero's manufactured from 1999 to 2005, which are listed as out of production, on the all Stanless Steel Polished and the Cased Color Frame with blued cyl and brl., in the 3 & 3/4 inch barrel length. Both standard grip and birdshead. Is it the fuction of the Forum to make the newby collectors look as if we are the unwashed and to be talked down to. Man !!!!!

No, that's not our intent. It's just that this re-opens an 8yr old argument that never seems to come to any agreeable end. It seems that one side cannot offer what they believe to be correct terminology (which seeks only to prevent confusion) without the other getting offended and offensive. As you can see, 'some' people just like to argue. 'Some' people don't even understand the difference between proper nouns and adjectives. So perhaps their thoughts on correct terminology should be disregarded.

Contact member "chet15" to join the RENE and get on their mailing list. It ain't glamorous but you won't find a more comprehensive and up to date Ruger collector's guide.

 

[rugerguy]

another reason, so many who do lurk, will NEVER "sign on or join up" as they may get "castigated"for saying something, ANYTHING , 'wrong'....take heart JPGLSG, and ask away, wish I had the answer, I'd tell you in a heartbeat, but new models don't float my boat, and yes, contact Chad at the Red Eagle News Exchange, he puts out the RENE they refer too, and has LOTS of info on any and ALL models, even the "OLDER" model of the Vaquero,make us OLDER folks have to type more letters and all that PC crappola, and that s why I like the telephone and face to face contact.
Hey guys why not scare off a few MORE "new folks"...................... :roll:

 

[CraigC]

I never see anyone get "castigated". It only EVER gets nasty when 'some' people argue. As you can see, it doesn't matter how gently the correction is made or by whom, 'this' crap ensues every time. Street didn't have to post anything.....but he did. He didn't have to reference me in his post....but he did. I wasn't even going to respond to this thread because I'm tired of the bickering about it. As you can see, this has nothing to do with the OP but is all a result of Street's need to argue about this point.

 

[RME]

JPGLSG, You are certainly correct in calling it an OLD MODEL VAQUERO unless you are referring to the new vaquero. Let the sheriff call it anything he would like, but you are still correct.

 

[CraigC]

Except for that irritating habit Ruger has of referring to ALL pre-1973 single actions "Old Model" and all post 1973 single actions as "New Model". Other than that and the fact that calling New Model single actions with the New Model lockwork "Old Model" causes confusion, it's fine.

 

[JPGLSG]

Thanks RME

This old worn out Marine who decided to join up and converse in Ruger Land not knowing anything has brought up an 8 years old curse. I have managed to put a few of these away NIB. But the most fun part of this is... having a glass of red and getting them out rubbing them over with an oil rag. When really look at them close, the shot barrel case colored models are little fine works of art. But that is only when this Marine is off in fun land for a few minutes. Always on guard.......

 

[Joe S.]

So if my vaquero has a 3 digit prefix it is a new vaquero? And not an original, old, nuclearcapable vaquero? Its only 357 so i aint worried. Just curious about frame size.

 

[Joe S.]

Just went and looked. It's a 57- serial...
Phew.

 

[CraigC]

Far as I know, the two versus three digit serial is infallible.

 

[Joe S.]

Moot point for me. I imagine any Vaquero will hold any 357 load i throw at it. Ha

 

[CraigC]

I imagine that holds true for either one in that particular chambering.

 

[Joe S.]

I am glad its the larger one tho. I have some mystery loads i bought off a guy and i occasionally run six to twelve through the gun. I randomly pull bullets from some tho and all have measured consistent to date. Just dont know what powder he is using. But that Vaquero hums along and never misses a beat.

 

[street]

Street didn't have to post anything.....but he did. He didn't have to reference me in his post....but he did. I wasn't even going to respond to this thread because I'm tired of the bickering about it. As you can see, this has nothing to do with the OP but is all a result of Street's need to argue about this point.

If you think that I didn't need to respond to this post, then why did you send me a PM and dare me to respond and you called me a chicken if I didn't. :shock: And I'm the one that always wants to argue but you couldn't wait for me to post so you could argue with me. Not only that but you have sent me more then a few PMs using foul language towards me trying to intimidate me. SORRY IT HASN'T WORKED YET.

I know you are the self appointed Ruger Model Designator, but now you have self appointed yourself as the Policeman to decide who can respone to a post and who can't. So it's OK for you to respond but not for me. Just another form of intimidation on your part. Sorry but it's not working.

 

[Jim Puke]

Jesus, Mary and Joseph.... Is it the fuction of the Forum to make the newby collectors look as if we are the unwashed and to be talked down to. Man !!!!!

It is pretty much their function to think they know everything and to impose on others what they want the situation to be.

Just ignore it...and let them banter among themselves...it makes them feel good.

 

[Timbo22]

I don't know the 'true skinny' on how many of the original, two digit serial prefix, Vaqueros were made in the 3 3/4 inch barreled configuration that the OP asked about, but I will offer what I have seen. According to RENE, about 1,900 each of the blue case colored (BCC) frame and the stainless steel (SS) versions with the plow handle grip were made during regular production; 1995-2005. All in 45 Colt, if I remember correctly. I have two BCC examples from regular production with serials of 57-413XX and 58-929XX, both bought new in 1999 and 2006 respectively. I have another BCC example that was a post-production 'clean-up' gun bought new in 2011 with a serial number of 58-996XX and a "clean-up' BCC birdshead gripped model bought new in 2009 with a serial number of 58-989XX, plus a 'clean-up' SS birdshead model serial 58-994XX bought new in 2010 which somehow left the factory with NO warning rollmark on the barrel.
While it may seem that I have more than my fair share of these, no two are exactly alike. The two production versions have slightly differing barrel rollmarks on the side of the barrel, and the BCC 'clean-ups' have the roll mark on the bottom of the barrel, while the SS BHG one has no rollmark at all.
While off topic, the post production 'clean-up' period is a brief but fasinating period for the original Vaquero with many unique variations, including Bisleys in 44 Magnum with Ruger's Newport (vice Southport) address in the barrel rollmark, birdshead gripped models, and short run of SS 40 S&W chambered guns. Hope this helps the OP.
edited to correct production numbers (trm)

 

[Rclark]

It is pretty much their function to think they know everything and to impose on others what they want the situation to be.

Not true. Most times it is a gentle 'educational' moment. Most people I know will simply say "I got it" and start using the correct terminology after being 'enlightened' so to speak. Seems quite straight forward to me. Others (like the "low information voters" that are out there) get offended when shown the correct usage (or facts) and will continue to gum up the works. I really don't 'get it' but there it is. In my work as a programmer interfacing to electrical engineers, if I started calling components by 'pet names', discussions might be a bit complicated just sorting out what we mean. But if we stick with the correct terminology things go 'a lot' smoother. Quite simple actually. Knowledge is meant to be shared, and those that don't know should be 'happy' to learn more about what they are using and doing. Makes for a more 'productive' discussions later. Again seems really logical to me. The Old Model and New Model terminology usage is a 'very very' easy concept to master -- I would think anyway. Knowing that and applying it to the original Vaquero and New Vaquero should be easy. <sigh> Nuff said.

Timbo22, thanks for the information! Have to file that away .

Moot point for me. I imagine any Vaquero will hold any 357 load i throw at it.

You imagined correctly . Really the .357 'belongs' on the New Vaquero . The original Vaquero is just 'over kill' for this cartridge.

 

[Hugh]

Is there some one out there who really knows the ture skinny on the number of Vaquero's manufactured from 1999 to 2005 on the all Stanless Steel Polished and the Cased Color Frame with blued cyl and brl., in the 3 & 3/4 inch barrel length. Both standard grip and birdshead. I have been told that 500 of each model were made. Respectfully requested.

Welcome to the Ruger Forum. Flatgate recommended contacting RENE. Here's contact information for you:

How can I join RENE? Contact chet15 with a PM or email him at [email protected]. Or write to:

Red Eagle News Exchange
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Perry, IA 50220

 

[street]

It is pretty much their function to think they know everything and to impose on others what they want the situation to be.

Not true. Most times it is a gentle 'educational' moment. Most people I know will simply say "I got it" and start using the correct terminology after being 'enlightened' so to speak. Seems quite straight forward to me. Others (like the "low information voters" that are out there) get offended when shown the correct usage (or facts) and will continue to gum up the works. I really don't 'get it' but there it is. In my work as a programmer interfacing to electrical engineers, if I started calling components by 'pet names', discussions might be a bit complicated just sorting out what we mean. But if we stick with the correct terminology things go 'a lot' smoother. Quite simple actually. Knowledge is meant to be shared, and those that don't know should be 'happy' to learn more about what they are using and doing. Makes for a more 'productive' discussions later. Again seems really logical to me. The Old Model and New Model terminology usage is a 'very very' easy concept to master -- I would think anyway. Knowing that and applying it to the original Vaquero and New Vaquero should be easy. <sigh> Then Nuff said.

Timbo22, thanks for the information! Have to file that away .

Moot point for me. I imagine any Vaquero will hold any 357 load i throw at it.

You imagined correctly . Really the .357 'belongs' on the New Vaquero . The original Vaquero is just 'over kill' for this cartridge.

Here is a thought of using the term Old Model Vaquero. Go to google, type in "Old Model Vaquero" and see how many hits that you get. Knowing that and applying it to the original Vaquero and New Vaquero should be easy. <sigh> Nuff said.

 

[CraigC]

Here is a thought of using the term Old Model Vaquero. Go to google, type in "Old Model Vaquero" and see how many hits that you get. Knowing that and applying it to the original Vaquero and New Vaquero should be easy. <sigh> Nuff said.

The fact that people do it doesn't make a wrong a right. People believe a lot of crap that isn't true.

 

[Ale-8(1)]

Just for fun I'll throw in a comment about my Old Model Vaquero chambered in .45 Long Colt. :shock: :roll: :shock: :roll:

Then I'll don my flame suit and run for the hills. :wink:

Don't let us get ya down. Some folks are just concerned about the confusion we have sorta created for ourselves (with Ruger's help). We know what we mean, but we hate to see folks who are new to the hobby get semi-incorrect info. We mean well.

:mrgreen:

 

[usbp sw]

I just settled on "original vaquero" to eliminate any confusion.

Steve