This from a Baptist pastor...

[Bob Wright]

Freman Weems is a friend of mine, a pastor of a Baptist Church in nearby Atoka, Tennessee, and the chaplain of the Tipton County Sheriff's Department.

Freeman Weems
14 hrs ·
The radical Islamic attack in Florida was just that, radical Islamic terrorism. They do hate to the point of justifying cold blooded murder. There is no common ground between us and them. Any Christian pastor who wants to coddle up to Islam should be summarily fired.

Of course, it is not guns that are to blame. The fact that all these people were killed by one man does not argue for disarming everyone else. If we are going to pass a reactionary law, shouldn't it penalize the guilty? Yet, no politician is crying for a law restricting Muslims from buying guns. The restriction of the rights of the people is never the right/moral thing to do.

It may be an old argument, but what if three, four, or maybe five people had been armed at that club. Could they have limited the carnage? Perhaps, but we will never know. If self-defense is a fundamental right, and I believe it is, then our lawmakers need to get their act together and quit trying to eradicate a portion of the Constitution.

If someone had disobeyed Florida's law and carried their gun inside. And, in the course of the shooting had killed this barbarian Muslim, would we be condemning them today? Would there be cries for prosecution? It is very likely, in the present lunacy that passes for legislatures these days, that there would be a push to punish the hero of the hour. Instead, thank the Lord for an efficient police force, we feel justified in paying someone to tote a gun and fend off the evil we refuse to confront ourselves.

Bob Wright

 

[Bull Barrel]

Somebody DID ignore the law...the shooter!

 

[The Preacher]

Amen Bob! Your Pastor friend has a head on his shoulders and truth on his side.

The Preacher

 

[Rick Courtright]

Instead, thank the Lord for an efficient police force, we feel justified in paying someone to tote a gun and fend off the evil we refuse to confront ourselves.

Hi,

Bob, I'd change the gentleman's last words a tiny bit:

"Instead, pray to the Lord for an efficient police force, so we feel justified in paying someone to tote a gun and fend off the evil we are not allowed to confront ourselves."

Apologies if that version reflects my own observtions of the police in crisis situations too much.

Rick C

 

[gramps]

I mostly agree, but the shooter was following Mohammed's teachings. Absolutely nothing radical about what he did in the eyes of Islam. The shooter is a martyr for the cause of Islam. Quite frankly every member of Islam should be a martyr.
gramps

 

[Paul B]

Gramps. Christianity is a religion of love that cherishes life.

Islam is a religion the glorifies hate and death.

I vote we give them what we want. That old French Crusader that said, "Kill them all. God will know his own." had the right idea.
As the story goes, apparently the were to attack a town and the Crusader said to kill everyone. One of his assistants said, "But there are Christians in that town." That's when he said "Kill them all. God will know his own."
Paul B.

 

[BearBio]

"Christianity is a religion of love that cherishes life."

Yep, just so much love here!

To paraphrase Boyd Crowder from Justified: "I don't know if I've ever met a Jew but I hate them!"

 

[graygun]

Yes,we sure can't match Islam for love of humanity.

 

[ndcowboy]

Very good Bob. I would gladly attend this pastor's service.

 

[SAJohn]

I normally avoid any topic dealing with religion but Christianity is the only one that I have studied that is based on peace and love even if has not always been followed.

 

[Jimbo357mag]

Why would anyone risk risk their CCW by carrying a gun into a bar or nightclub? ...on the odd chance there might be a mass shooting inside? Not good logic for me.

 

[Colonialgirl]

Why would anyone risk risk their CCW by carrying a gun into a bar or nightclub? ...on the odd chance there might be a mass shooting inside? Not good logic for me.

I'll skip your funeral !

 

[Trucker]

I mostly agree, but the shooter was following Mohammed's teachings. Absolutely nothing radical about what he did in the eyes of Islam.

Gramps, you are 100% right on with the above quote! I cringe every time I hear or see the term "radical" associated with Islam when trying to explain why a Muslim murdered XXXXX number of people. The Muslim was just doing exactly what a good little Muslim is mandated to do by Islamic sacralized writings!! Nothing "radical" about it!! Fact is, if we excuse Islam by calling the murderer a "radical" Muslim we have subconsciously bought into the lie that Islam is a peaceful religion!! It is not!!

 

[Mobuck]

What did the Baptist pastor have to say about a bar full of homosexuals?

 

[jerryh]

',,All of them martyrs,,' That made me smile - I like your wit there gramps (I'm a great gramps 5 times myself).

Not necessarily a qualifier(s) - Just as a note; I'm a 67 year old former Marine, Vietnam Combat Vet, I believed in what I did at that time and I still hold valuable all those things that made me volunteer to go into the Marine Corp, I consider myself a Christian, I've been a lifetime member of the NRA for near a couple of decades, I'm a strong believer in the concept of ',,,, Walk the Walk,,,,' that being said, I'm going to respectfully disagree with the idea that we (we, as in a country, we, as in the USA), may blanketly - over any group, (any group covered under the protective umbrella that is 'our' constitution), put in place any set of rules, laws, ordinances or any other condition that would restrict anyone protected under our constitution from exercising those 'rights' we all hold so dear.
However, with the above in mind: On a world scale - No 'one' - or - no 'group' - should interpret the above to mean; 'In the exercising of an individual's rights - or of a group's rights - it does not mean - in that exercising of those rights - may that individual or group infringe upon the rights of another. As the simple man I am, that means; don't steal my stuff and I won't steal your stuff - my church is my church, I won't try to make you go to my church and you don't try and make me go to yours. Whether you attend any church or not is another of 'our' constitutionally protected rights. I'm truly not typically a bible verse quoting fellow - I'm not smart enough - but - Matthew 7:12 says, “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"

I don’t mean to argue with anyone or disrespect another’s opinion. I will say this, the above is what I was willing to fight and die for – it’s what/why I, only as one among many, was willing to take the lives of others for.

With the greatest respect, Jerry

Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Choose your words, for they become actions.
Understand your actions, for they become habits.
Study your habits, for they will become your character.
Develop your character, for it becomes your destiny.
unknown

 

[volshooter]

Bob if I am ever in the area I would gladly attend this church. Sounds like mine.

just don't get it......over 300 people and 1 gunman...... apparently no one had the balls to rush one shooter.

Now try that in a Southern Babtist gathering..... or any gathering outside a city.

Those folks are in my prayers without lifestyle judgement on my part, that is up to God, just their resolve to stop one man killing.

 

[BearBio]

',,All of them martyrs,,' That made me smile - I like your wit there gramps (I'm a great gramps 5 times myself).

Not necessarily a qualifier(s) - Just as a note; I'm a 67 year old former Marine, Vietnam Combat Vet, I believed in what I did at that time and I still hold valuable all those things that made me volunteer to go into the Marine Corp, I consider myself a Christian, I've been a lifetime member of the NRA for near a couple of decades, I'm a strong believer in the concept of ',,,, Walk the Walk,,,,' that being said, I'm going to respectfully disagree with the idea that we (we, as in a country, we, as in the USA), may blanketly - over any group, (any group covered under the protective umbrella that is 'our' constitution), put in place any set of rules, laws, ordinances or any other condition that would restrict anyone protected under our constitution from exercising those 'rights' we all hold so dear.
However, with the above in mind: On a world scale - No 'one' - or - no 'group' - should interpret the above to mean; 'In the exercising of an individual's rights - or of a group's rights - it does not mean - in that exercising of those rights - may that individual or group infringe upon the rights of another. As the simple man I am, that means; don't steal my stuff and I won't steal your stuff - my church is my church, I won't try to make you go to my church and you don't try and make me go to yours. Whether you attend any church or not is another of 'our' constitutionally protected rights. I'm truly not typically a bible verse quoting fellow - I'm not smart enough - but - Matthew 7:12 says, “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"

I don’t mean to argue with anyone or disrespect another’s opinion. I will say this, the above is what I was willing to fight and die for – it’s what/why I, only as one among many, was willing to take the lives of others for.

With the greatest respect, Jerry

Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Choose your words, for they become actions.
Understand your actions, for they become habits.
Study your habits, for they will become your character.
Develop your character, for it becomes your destiny.
unknown

Amen.

 

[jerryh]

,,,, just don't get it......over 300 people and 1 gunman...... apparently no one had the balls to rush one shooter.
Now try that in a Southern Babtist gathering..... or any gathering outside a city.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I am with you on that. When the incident first came on the news and they said there were 300+ people there - of course the news immediately let the public know it was an 'assault weapon' the shooter had used - I told my wife the shooter 'must' have a fully auto -- I told her there was no way that one man with a semi auto anything - couldn't hold off 300 people. One more time I proved to my wife my lack of perfection.

I also agree about the Southern Baptist portion of your post. My wife and I attend a Southern Baptist church where my wife has been a member of that same church for almost 60 years.

Regards, Jerry

 

[Mobuck]

"there was no way that one man with a semi auto anything - couldn't hold off 300 people."

You're whitewashing the line between homosexuals and PEOPLE.

 

[contender]

A very well put statement jerryh! Welcome to the Forum!

As for a lone gunman holding off 300 people,,, you forgot to realize that many younger people,,, are now "sheeple" due to the way the media has brainwashed them. Not just homosexuals. Kids, & all the way into the young adults have been so PC'ed into this "peace, love, and do not fight" attitude that they do not know HOW to resist & fight.

I live in the South, & I have attended many Baptist churches & listened to their Preachers. Sounds like the one in the OP is quite good!

 

[BearBio]

"there was no way that one man with a semi auto anything - couldn't hold off 300 people."

You're whitewashing the line between homosexuals and PEOPLE.

Can't you just feel the Christian love?

 

[jerryh]

"there was no way that one man with a semi auto anything - couldn't hold off 300 people."

Can't you just feel the Christian love?

??
Ya know Buckeye, I'm fairly new to this part of my life - 'trying to be a Christian'. I use the word trying because there are likely of lot of folks who would say my efforts don't begin touch the surface of what is 'required' - that's ok with me. There's likely another a group of folks who would just as soon people keep such (God) thoughts to themselves - that's ok with me also.
I can shoot pool (not so well anymore) and have a cold one with folks of either of those groups on Saturday evening -- (those which were willing to share their time with me).
I could set on the deck, enjoy the conversation and share a glass of iced tea with those same folks - (again, those who would be willing to join me).
I would like to think that I loved the folks in my life with all that I had to offer - before Christ came into my life. I also believe those folks which don't now and may never have Christ in their lives - loves, loved and will love the folks in their lives with all they have to offer.
So, for me, having Christ in my life does not necessarily mean, I love with a greater love. However, I will say this, for me, having Christ in my life has added an additional dimension to the love I have for the people in my life. I hope the lives of those same folks are somehow rewarded by Christ being in my life whether Christ is in their hearts or not.

Regards, Jerry

 

[Trucker]

Ya know Buckeye, I'm fairly new to this part of my life - 'trying to be a Christian'.

Jerry, have you figured out yet that there are some folks that think if you disagree with them you have to hate them?

Congratulations on allowing Christ into you life!!

 

[BearBio]

Jerry: Read the WHOLE post. You missed:

"You're whitewashing the line between homosexuals and PEOPLE."

Hence my comment.

 

[jerryh]

Ya know Buckeye, I'm fairly new to this part of my life - 'trying to be a Christian'.

Jerry, have you figured out yet that there are some folks that think if you disagree with them you have to hate them?

Congratulations on allowing Christ into you life!!

Trucker - I don't know a lot of things I once knew - but one of the things I believe I still know - on that matter, you're absolutely right

Regards, Jerry

 

[jerryh]

Jerry: Read the WHOLE post. You missed:

"You're whitewashing the line between homosexuals and PEOPLE."

Hence my comment.

Buckeye, I did read the whole post, and I must admit I was not entirely sure of the thought behind your words - I believed you're meaning to be as you just said. I had chosen to ignore the comparison remark (to which you referred). My comments were 'not' aimed at you or even 'your' comment - but more like an opening for me to run my mouth some more.

I'm likely as opinionated a person as you'll find - Truth be told, I find people who don't have an opinion to be boring. I've always enjoyed playing the devil's advocate ---- of course, looking backward -- that may be what led to a couple of the black eyes I had in years past. It goes without saying though, I would have zero right to my opinion if others did not have exactly the same right to their opinion - like mine or not.

(just don't take my stuff .

Respectfully, Jerry

 

[volshooter]

Jerry, I like the way you think. I walked on the dark side for most of my years, but I am forgiven now.
There will always be those who disagree, respect their opinion and stay your path,

Sadly I have have family and fellow church members that state

"those queers in Orlando got what they deserved"

My figuring is that it is up to God to decide and not us. I do not condone homosexuality, it offends my faith and nature, yet I would not discriminate nor kill. Honestly I am taken back by the comments of those around me. It is my belief to love the sinner, hate the sin.

As an old knuckle dragger now forgiven, I pray for those folks and their families.

kinda got off topic, sorry

 

[737tdi]

As far as how did 1 shooter hold 300 people at bay? I asked that same question right after it happened, I've also asked it in other forums and at work. I got some very strange answers and a question. That question was, would you have charged the guy and died? I absolutely would have, he might get a lucky shot and drop me in my tracks but more then likely I can get to him before my heart stops beating and at least get his gun down so others could help. It is beyond my mindset to just stand by and allow him to kill me without a fight.

On another note. It was mentioned that self defense is a right, look up the UNs thoughts on this, they say there is no right for deadly force in self defense situations.

The last note. I am offended by some here that think anyone deserves to die due to their alternate lifestyle. That is so far out of line. It is not for me to judge, I can disagree but to say they should die is just wrong.

Karl

 

[exavid]

Why would anyone risk risk their CCW by carrying a gun into a bar or nightclub? ...on the odd chance there might be a mass shooting inside? Not good logic for me.

The operative word is, concealed.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Just FYI , that incident Paul B refrenced went down just a little bit differently, even though the quote was close.

It didn't happen in the middle east, and no muslims were involved.

It happened IN France, involving a christian group that was on the outs with the pope. The question was " how do we tell the good christians in town from the heretics ?" " Nay, slay them all, god shall recognize his own."