Third Degree Burns ?

[caryc]

Anyone else hear the crap the news is spewing about people getting third degree burns just from touching a sidewalk or any paved surface? They also say it only takes a fraction of a second. This is complete BS. A third degree burn is when all three layers of the skin and flesh is charred black and leathery. As I said this is total BS. Look up third degree burns.

 

[bigbillyboy]

I think we are being set up for a "climate emergency declaration " ahead of the next election . The left has to figure a way to control us ahead of 24.

 

[NC FNS]

People will have to vote online, early and often, so they don’t burn their feet.

 

[wolfsong]

Third degree burns do not always result in charred, blackened skin.

What are the most common causes of a third-degree burn?

The same things that can cause a first- and second-degree burn can cause a third-degree burn. The difference is how long your body met a heat, chemical or light source that caused damage, or the intensity of the source of the burn. The more intense the damage source and/or the longer your body interacts with a cause of a burn, the more damage you’ll have.

Common causes of a third-degree burn include:

Flames from a fire.Touching a hot object.Ultraviolet radiation and sunburn.Boiling water or steam.Chemicals (like acids and bases).Radiation.Electricity.Dry ice, liquid nitrogen or other sources of intense cold (such as aerosol sprays).

 

[caryc]

Third degree burns do not always result in charred, blackened skin.

What are the most common causes of a third-degree burn?

The same things that can cause a first- and second-degree burn can cause a third-degree burn. The difference is how long your body met a heat, chemical or light source that caused damage, or the intensity of the source of the burn. The more intense the damage source and/or the longer your body interacts with a cause of a burn, the more damage you’ll have.

Common causes of a third-degree burn include:

Flames from a fire.Touching a hot object.Ultraviolet radiation and sunburn.Boiling water or steam.Chemicals (like acids and bases).Radiation.Electricity.Dry ice, liquid nitrogen or other sources of intense cold (such as aerosol sprays).

Thank you doctor. I used to be an EMT and know what a third degree burn is. No matter how long the part is subjected to the heat, a third degree burn still burns and chars the three layers. That's why it's called a third degree burn.

You're still not going to get a third degree burn from touching the sidewalk. Well, maybe if you're stupid enough to take a nap on it. But most people have sense enough to pull away from something hot.

 

[hittman]

Well, you don’t have to be a doctor to know the skin don’t always look like bbq ribs when burned to the 3rd degree. Heck, looks like even former EMTs can be wrong.

This site says skin can be white, black OR bright red.
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https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/24531-third-degree-burn
What does a third-degree burn look like?
Features of a third-degree burn include:

• Leathery skin.
• Dry skin.
• Skin discoloration that's white, black or bright red.
• Swelling.

 

[caryc]

OK, whatever you doctors say. My point is that one does not get a third degree burn by touching a hot sidewalk for a fraction of a second, even in Phoenix. That's not too hard to understand is it ?????

A relative of mine was badly burned when she came home from a night out and went to bed. Evidently she passed out with a cigarette in her hand and caught the bed on fire. That was one night that remains welded into my brain. She spent many weeks in intensive care with many grafts and even lost a thumb on one hand.

 

[tazbigdog]

No, you cannot get third degree from a sidewalk. It’s hot as heck out here in AZ, getting air temps to 117+. Won’t even get to second.

 

[caryc]

If you're curious enough, set your search engine to look for "images" and search on "third degree burns". Beware, it's pretty gory.

 

[hittman]

Ya know …. Oh, never mind ….

 

[wolfsong]

Ya know …. Oh, never mind ….

After all of these years, we should know better than to bring another point of view/facts into one of Cary's posts. How rude of me. I apologize.

 

[wolfsong]

While a "fraction of a second" is hyperbole, studies show that "a few seconds" can produce third degree burns...

Hot Las Vegas pavement can cause serious burns in seconds, study warns

By Kelcie Grega

Sun, Jul 28, 2019 (2 a.m.)

Las Vegas temperatures are forecast to remain in triple-digits for the rest of the month and into August, putting more at risk of burn injuries from hot pavement, medical officials said.

A UNLV study found 173 pavement burn cases in Southern Nevada over the past five years. Eighty-eight percent of the cases happened on days when the temperature was above 95 degrees.

The pavement absorbs radiant energy and is significantly hotter than outside temperatures, according to the study. For example, when the temperature outside is more than 110 degrees, pavement temperatures can reach well above 140 degrees, which can result in second and third-degree burns within seconds of direct skin contact.

The study also found that burn injuries can happen when the outside temperature is as low as 84 degrees.

Those who are most at risk are children unaware of hot pavement, trauma victims who become incapacitated or unconscious on the ground and patients with diabetic neuropathy, said Dr. Jorge Vega, one of the lead UNLV researchers on the study.

Also, some tourists have been admitted for pavement-related burns because “they’re walking from the pool deck and they think it’s a short walk to the pool,” Vega said.

 

[Kevin]

No, you cannot get third degree from a sidewalk. It’s hot as heck out here in AZ, getting air temps to 117+. Won’t even get to second.

Air temps are one thing, but cement can get even hotter. This is why I don't take my dogs for walks during the afternoon in Dallas.

 

[dweis]

I do a lot of research on items of interest. Thisis what I found from three different sources on third degree burns. Conclusion is that one can get a third degree burn from asphalt or concrete.

Stanford Medicine Health

Third-degree (full thickness) burns
Third-degree burns destroy the epidermis and dermis. Third-degree burns may also damage the underlying bones, muscles, and tendons. The burn site appears white or charred. There is no sensation in the area since the nerve endings are destroyed.

University of Wisconsin
Hot liquid causes 3rd degree burns
in 15 seconds at 133 degrees Fahrenheit (56 C)
in 5 seconds at 140 degrees Fahrenheit (60 C)
in 2 seconds at 149 degrees Fahrenheit (65 C)
in 1 second at 156 degrees Fahrenheit (69 C)

Arizona Burn Center

The temperature of asphalt and pavement and concrete and sidewalks in Arizona on a warm sunny day or summer afternoon is 180 degrees sometime.

 

[Busterswoodshop]

Sidewalks get hot enough to cook an egg , so I would think they could cook your feet also.
Here is a video about how hot things can get in Arizona.
This is for your viewing pleasure only , I already know how hot it can get.

watch

 

[caryc]

Like I said, the news is saying that the sidewalk can cause third degree burns in A FRACTION OF A SECOND. That was my whole point. Go ahead and keep harping on me. I made my point. That seems to irritate some of you.

Besides what they taught us in that EMT class was 40 some years ago. Also used to be a volunteer fireman in my area. That's how I got into the EMT class. One needed a recommendation to take that class.

 

[Busterswoodshop]

I agree that just touching a sidewalk won't get you third degree burns.
You would have to be on it for awhile.
Most cases I have heard of where from very small children.
If you put a child down on the hot sidewalk or pavement with no shoes , they can't dance fast enough to not burn their feet.
Another one is when the cops keep a handcuffed person laying on the ground for an extended time. I haven't heard of this one in quit awhile.

When I went through fire school , 1st degree burns was reddening of the skin , 2nd degree was blistering of the skin and 3rd degree was burning of the skin and fatty tissue.
That was almost 50 years ago.

 

[blume357]

Over hype as usual.... I have gotten 2nd degree burns touching a roof with out gloves on.... Most roofs in S.C in July in the afternoon are around 180-190 degrees..... Now I do have to say... 'their' claims that ":things are so bad they've never been this bad before". I remember working on a chimney and fireplace back in the '80's and the high that day was 105. The high so far this week I think has been in the low 90's.

 

[hittman]

We had your 100+ stuff this past week ….. upper 80s and low 90s this week will be a welcome relief

 

[caryc]

We have been 105-6 for a couple weeks now.

 

[daveag.]

OK, whatever you doctors say. My point is that one does not get a third degree burn by touching a hot sidewalk for a fraction of a second, even in Phoenix. That's not too hard to understand is it ?????

A relative of mine was badly burned when she came home from a night out and went to bed. Evidently she passed out with a cigarette in her hand and caught the bed on fire. That was one night that remains welded into my brain. She spent many weeks in intensive care with many grafts and even lost a thumb on one hand.

She should have heeded the warning on side, “ Cigarettes may be harmful to your health “.

 

[Fox Mike]

Many years ago I had a radiator explode on my left hand (the radiator cap actually blew off). I had 2nd degree burns over most of it and it was PAINFUL. The doctor told me that I should be glad I could feel it. If it was more severe the nerve endings would have been destroyed and I wouldn't have been able to know just how bad it really was.

 

[Mobuck]

When I reached the burn center after fighting the Nov 2 wildfire here, the diagnoses was: second and third degree burns to both hands, forehead, outer edges of both ears, and the end of my nose.
Some of these areas were black and crusty while other places were more like old, weathered leather and other places were huge blisters(I'm assuming these were the second degree burn areas) . .In places, the flesh had simply been 'cooked' and sloughed away during debridement. This is the extent of my knowledge.
This was extended direct contact with fire that melted glass so I'm just guessing that touching pavement/asphalt for a second or two isn't that hot. Therefore, I call BS on the report.

 

[caryc]

Wow, I take it you're a firefighter? I hope you've recovered fully with not too much scarring. We've had about 4 fires in SoCal in the last week or so. I live in the lakeview mountains and one of the fires was too close for comfort for me. Thank you for your service. I always thank firefighters and LEO's when I get the chance. Cal Fire firefighters and the bomber pilots have saved my butt many times over the last forty or so years.

 

[Busterswoodshop]

Many years ago I had a raadiator explode on my left hand (the radiator cap actually blew off). I had 2nd degree burns over most of it and it was PAINFUL. The doctor told me that I should be glad I could feel it. If it was more severe the nerve endings would have been destroyed and I wouldn't have been able to know just how bad it really was.

We were taught 3rd burns don't hurt because it burns the nerve endings.
It is all the 1st and 2nd degree burns around it that hurt.

 

[v35]

Anyone else hear the crap the news is spewing ...

"The news"

 

[Mobuck]

"We were taught 3rd burns don't hurt because it burns the nerve endings."
It's hard to say just where the pain originated (2nd versus 3rd degree burns) but I did have to ask for something to 'take the edge off' after we got airborne. I've had injuries that hurt worse but definitely not something one looks forward to. By the time they got finished debriding my hands the anesthetic was wearing thin. Then the burned skin was peeled/scrubbed off my forehead, THAT was a real pants wetting experience.

 

[Johnny-Baseball]

We have been 105-6 for a couple weeks now.

Too bad it hasn't been a couple of months.

 

[Johnny-Baseball]

The actual high temperatures in my part of Texas aren't high enough to cooperate with the Left's narrative. So, the MSM stations have stopped publishing temperatures and replaced them with heat index readings - always a few degrees higher (duh!! Humidity). And better yet, since relative humidity statistics weren't recorded until a few decades ago, the MSM can now trumpet, "among the highest on record" heat index readings.

"Lies, damn lies, and statistics." (Mark Twain, among others)

 

[beentheredone]

As usual, people who know always ruin a good argument with boring old facts...