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Brown Bear. Phil Shoemaker master guide in Alaska tells story. Click on link as there are also pictures. Phil is a good guy and quite the bear guide.

https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2016/8/10/alaska-outfitter-defends-fishermen-from-raging-grizzly-with-9mm-pistol/

I have been guiding brown bear hunters and fishermen and bear photographers from our homestead within Becharof National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska for 33 years and have had numerous close encounters with bears. Until now, I have never had to shoot an unwounded bear to protect either myself or clients, but the other week an event occurred and my good fortune changed. When it happened, I was fully aware of what was going on and how big the bear was. I also managed to stay aware of where my clients were, even when the bear was directly between us. The woman I was guiding said that while she did not remember smelling the bear’s breath, it was close enough to her face that it could have bitten her!

I have killed enough bears to know how important shot placement can be, even with large-bore rifles. I was well aware of the limitations of my 9mm pistol, even with Buffalo Bore ammo. I was aiming for a vital area with each shot; because it all took place between 6 and 8 feet, they were not far off. But hitting the head and brain of a highly animated and agitated animal is a difficult shot.

The two photos shown here tell a pretty good story by themselves. The secondary photo (embedded at the bottom of this story) was taken from the point where the charging bear first erupted from the brush. I am on the left and Larry, my fishing client, is on the right. The bear was within 2 feet or less of Larry and his wife when I shot it. You can see the dead bear to the left of Larry. The main photo (embedded to the right) shows Larry and me with the dead bear and shows its size.

Larry and his wife were fishing with me, and because we were going to a small stream I had fished before, which had numerous large male brown bears, I decided to take my Smith & Wesson 3953 DAO 9mm, rather than the S&W 629 .44 Mag. Mountain Gun I have carried for the past 25 years, as the larger boars are usually less of a problem than sows with cubs.

Before we reached the stream, while we were walking through dense brush and tall grass, we heard a growl and deep “woof” of a bear approximately 6 feet to our right (behind me in the secondary photo). We had been talking loudly but must have startled a sleeping bear. It sounded like it made a movement toward us, and I shouted loudly and the bear ran back through the brush to the right in the photo. Within 15 seconds, we could hear it growling and charging through the dense brush from the opposite side.

I had my pistol out by then, and the bear first appeared from where the photographer in photo No. 2 was standing. It went straight for my clients; Larry and his wife fell backwards in the deep grass. She said the bear’s face was close enough to hers that it could have bitten her!

The bear was highly agitated and standing within 3 feet of my clients when I decided I could take a shot without endangering them.

My first shot was at its neck, and then it began growling and spinning toward the impact. I wanted to hit the head but the bear was moving so fast I simply began shooting each time I could hit a vital area. I hit it six times before it turned to run off, and my seventh shot was into its pelvis area as it ran. When it dropped within 6 feet of the last shot, I checked my pistol and found I had only a single round left in the chamber so decided against walking in and finishing it.

My pistol was loaded with Buffalo Bore 9mm +P Outdoorsman 147-grain FN hard-cast loads that have a muzzle velocity of 1100 fps. I had previously tested, compared and proven such loads with my .357 and .44 mags., and I was convinced they would work.

Editor's Note: After the incident, Shoemaker wrote a letter to Tim Sundles of Buffalo Bore; see it here. Visit Phil's website here.
 
Even for a pro that has
to get the Adrenalin flowing. Good job. If a 9mm will do that imagine what 10mm with hard cast or super 45 with hard cast would do!!
But you have to still shoot and hit the correct spots. He's skinned enough bears he should know those spots.

Shows that Phil does indeed know a thing or two about shot placement. But I would wager some serious money that he's gonna go back to carrying that S&W 629 44 Mag. that he said was what he usually carried in the event of something like that happening.
 
That reminds me of the bear repelling story of the woman that was fishing with her Husband in Alaska...all she had was her Bersa 380 with her..A bear, smelling the freshly caught salmon made a rush at them...she and her husband took off running...she fired one shot ...hitting her husband directly between the eyes...and left the bear behind having a meal while she quietly slipped away...so a .380 really is large enough for a big Brown bear.
 
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Gramps, it's simple. People are people all over the world. As much as Phil is around bears he hasn't had to shoot one like that in probably years. If he thought he'd need to shoot a bear he wouldn't have taken an extra mag, he'd have taken his 44. That's why most people don't even carry a gun, they don't think they will have to use one.
 
I seem to recall in "Alaska Bear Tales", a brown bear was dispatched with a .22
Well.. if he can do it!!!!!

Yeah.... nuthin like a dose of tbe 25th bear to bring one back to ones senses.... Every now and again one needs a reminder.
I once ran into a bear, and all I had was my .45 witness and untested ammo..... rounds would not chamber...... that kinda sucked for a short while.....
 
Here's Phils story in another place:

In the past 33 years of living and guiding on the Alaska peninsula from our families homestead I have never had to kill a bear in defense of live or property. DLP as the state refers to it.
Two days ago I was guiding a married couple and we bumped into a bear at close range on our way to the fishing stream. We yelled and it ran but circled around and then charged. The couple were 10 or 12 feet behind me and the bear came out of the brush so close it was within 3 feet of my clients before I could shoot. They both intentionally fell to the ground just before I shot the bear behind the shoulder. It immediately spun and I continued shooting, all the while keeping the position of my clients in perspective. After six quick hits the bear turned and ran 20 yards and died .

We were planning on a quick couple hours of fishing and rather than packing my normal S&W 44 Mtn gun I was packing a S&W 3953 dao auto with 147 gr Buffalo Bore 9mm ammo.
 
I think I would be inclined to have either a S&W 1006 (VERY hard to find)
or the new Sig P220-10. Both use 9 round mags and the 10mm churns
out more than .357 power levels. Then you have the advantage of faster
reloads, "just in case".

And that's presuming there was some really good reason I could not
have a long gun. - - - In watching Alaska State Troopers, I notice they
carry an 18" barrel 12Ga. when going into the woods.

:D But then again, at my age, I'm not likely to be there in the first place. :D
 
Wow! Great post fer sure! I admire you for your ability and calm head, hell, I'd go anywhere with you.
I'm sure glad it all turned out without human loss. We must all be aware of the potential wildlife dangers when in the woods, as you are. Especially us non pros.
Given hind sight, do you wish you were armed with a larger caliber?
You did exactly what you had to do, with what you had on hand, with I exceptional skill/mind set/training.
Indeed I too have gained a healthy respect for the 9mm's potential penetration/stopping power.
Amazing story. I would suggest more credit to you than the caliber should be highly noted!
 
volshooter, let me be clear here, I made the post but the quote and first person story was by Phil Shoemaker, a master guide in Alaska. He guides a lot of Brown Bear Hunters. I wasn't the shooter. Don't want anyone confused about that. I'd have taken the 44. :)
 
You can take the .44. I wouldn't go anywhere where a bear wants me for lunch with less than a pack full of scud missiles :shock:
 
Turned out well but there would have been hell to pay if that griz got a bite or two in.

The bear's first reaction going for the wound area instead of the sports saved the day.

When I was in Alaska 50 years ago some US Navy sailors agitated a mountain grizzly with their 30-06s and got badly chewed up. Alaska Command mandated a minimum .300 WM for their hunters after that.

The story does nothing to make me believe a 9mm is a reasonable carry no matter the fodder in bear country.

Wunbe
 
I never knew any guide in NW Alaska in the years I lived, flew and hunted there. Most all carried .44mags same as I did. I never saw anyone carrying a pistol, we all thought the revolver was more powerful and reliable than any auto loader. Using a handgun on a Brownie or Grizzly isn't a real great idea anyway. Carrying a rifle would have been better but it's difficult to keep a rifle with you when fishing a river. First thing you know you put it down on the gravel and soon you find you've moved along the river 50yds or so from the rifle. Not too good unless you're a world record sprinter. Maybe a Desert Eagle?
 
Good story, but part of this is that many people that don't have any woods experience except a casual day hike in shorts and sneakers, think of bears as big lumbering critters that avoid people. They don't realize just how fast a bear can move or how tough they really are. A well trained big dog can really help out in the woods if you happen to bump into a bear that wants that fish you just reeled in. I'm a little surprised that he didn't have a dog along.

When I was much younger and living in WA, bear encounters were fairly common in the Olympics and Cascades. Always went armed & w/dog when up in the wild country.
 
City life ruins people. They only know how to survive in an environment with all the services provided.

The guide was wise enough to have fat rounds for it.
 
GunnyGene said:
A well trained big dog can really help out in the woods if you happen to bump into a bear that wants that fish you just reeled in. I'm a little surprised that he didn't have a dog along.

When I was much younger and living in WA, bear encounters were fairly common in the Olympics and Cascades. Always went armed & w/dog when up in the wild country.


I've made that point repeatedly....
even one "untrained", karelian bear dog", along and that incident would not have ever happened.
The bear would have been rooted out before it was within threat range....
not that I have any personal experience mind you.... ;)


KBD's....... don't leave home without'um!!!!!
 
exavid said:
I never knew any guide in NW Alaska in the years I lived, flew and hunted there. Most all carried .44mags same as I did. I never saw anyone carrying a pistol, we all thought the revolver was more powerful and reliable than any auto loader. Using a handgun on a Brownie or Grizzly isn't a real great idea anyway. Carrying a rifle would have been better but it's difficult to keep a rifle with you when fishing a river. First thing you know you put it down on the gravel and soon you find you've moved along the river 50yds or so from the rifle. Not too good unless you're a world record sprinter. Maybe a Desert Eagle?

exavid, 44's are pretty powerful guns, but what has changed is that the ammo that is available is substantially better. Companies like Buffalo Bore, Garretts, and Grizzly are producing some great ammo. Terrific perpetrators that will out do many rifles. Limbaugh has been very involved in teaching people that.
 
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