The Glock dynasty soap opera

[Ale-8(1)]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/11/glock-family-goes-down-guns-blazing.html

"Guns, money, sex, and betrayal: Rarely do the news gods smile down on us with such charity. But Helga Glock, ex-wife to Gaston Glock Sr., the gun industry’s most successful and secretive tycoon, has given us all that and then some with a new lawsuit filed in an Atlanta federal court earlier this week."

"In the complaint—filed in Georgia, where the Austrian company’s U.S. headquarters is based and most of its business conducted—Mrs. Glock’s attorney accuses the 85-year-old gun manufacturer of a racketeering scheme that spanned decades and the globe, all in an elaborate plan to steal the business that Mrs. Glock and the rest of their family had helped to build from a mom-and-pop machine shop into a company with $400 million in sales each year."

Make popcorn. Great read. Dirty dealing all around.

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[mohavesam]

Several years' worth of the back story on Gaston Glock. Not a very nice guy, I'm guessing most good people here couldn't stomach him in person.
Just too bad American gun makers couldn't recognize the technology and marketing potential in time.

 

[Mike J]

I wasn't aware of all that. I did remember the assassination attempt. He also had filed charges against a lawyer here in Georgia. I believe the lawyer filed a counter suit. Maybe we'll get to see all of it one day in a tell all made for TV movie. I don't believe I care for him as a person but his company makes some good guns.

 

[wolfsong]

I don't own one; never had the desire or saw the need. There are plenty of more than adequate alternatives available for the money.

As for the drama, the story has very little to do with guns and every thing to do with greed and power. What a surprise.

 

[Critch]

Let's face it, Gaston Glock developed and marketed a pistol that was reliable, easy to produce, and affordable. His life sounds like a soap opera, but so do the lives of the Fords, Alexander Graham Bell, Edison and many, many other inventors and innovators. They're human, just like everyone else. If any of us were to win a huge lottery you would surprised how fast your family and friends are in line for their part.

I happen to like Glocks, I like Rugers too....they both have their respective good traits.

Read the book: Glock: Rise of the American Gun, it's enlightening. Lot's of people took advantage of him, including some of his own family. He wasn't by nature a warm, fuzzy guy anyhow....the Americans who knew him said he was just plain odd....

When he was being questioned by our Congress, one of our idiots asked him about an accidental shooting, his response was, "Keep your finger off of the trigger." He also kept trying to light up a cigarette while being questioned.

 

[Ruger Packer]

I don't own one; never had the desire or saw the need. There are plenty of more than adequate alternatives available for the money.

As for the drama, the story has very little to do with guns and every thing to do with greed and power. What a surprise.

That's the way I feel, too.

Every time I pick up a Glock at a gun shop, gun show or wherever, I'm reminded of why I don't like 'em.

 

[Ale-8(1)]

I'll just remind everybody that there are still folks who spit on Bill Ruger's grave over the limited-capacity magazine episode.

And I'll likewise admit that ol' Gaston is probably not a guy I'd have a drink with, but his guns are certainly efficient.

JMHO

 

[wolfsong]

I'll just remind everybody that there are still folks who spit on Bill Ruger's grave over the limited-capacity magazine episode.

And I'll likewise admit that ol' Gaston is probably not a guy I'd have a drink with, but his guns are certainly efficient.

JMHO

Right you are, and I agree with you. I've got nothing against his guns. They're just not for me. I have more of an issue with the "sheep" who buys Glocks because of the name and nothing else, same as folks who buy Leupold scopes because of the name. Ask them for details of the pros or cons of either and they just look at you with a dull stare...

Not all Glock and Leupold owners, mind you, but enough that it is annoying and humorous at the same time. JMHO...

 

[Ale-8(1)]

True, Mr. Wolf, but ya might find some Ruger folks in that camp, as well. It's dangerous for us to paint with a broad brush . . .

;-)

 

[welder]

I have several and I like them. But my Ruger to Glock ratio is about 4 to 1 because I like Rugers too, a lot.

 

[George Tucker]

I have a Beretta 92FS that I would not trade for 5 Glocks, and I have shot a lot of Glocks.

 

[adam12]

I'll just remind everybody that there are still folks who spit on Bill Ruger's grave over the limited-capacity magazine episode.

And I'll likewise admit that ol' Gaston is probably not a guy I'd have a drink with, but his guns are certainly efficient.

JMHO

Right you are, and I agree with you. I've got nothing against his guns. They're just not for me. I have more of an issue with the "sheep" who buys Glocks because of the name and nothing else, same as folks who buy Leupold scopes because of the name. Ask them for details of the pros or cons of either and they just look at you with a dull stare... - Hawkeye quote

What's so wrong about Leupold scopes? I have 4; one is on my Clark custom 10/22 from the eighties, and the other three Vlll series scopes are on some of my Ruger #1 rifles. l think they go hand in hand, a perfect match in every way, especially for my eyes and wallet.

Of course there are many other superior scopes, but I don't hunt in areas or times of the day where I would have a need for their excellence. The Leupold Vlll scopes and #1 rifles are like bread and butter, not the exquisite entrée demanding big bucks but they satisfy one's hunger admirably.

 

[Don Lovel]

The only Glock I was ever interested in owning was a full sized Glock 20 in 10mm with a pile of hi cap mags and a couple full cans of Doubletap full power 165gr ammo, you know, for one of those days when being able to blast your way out of a bad situation is your only choice.

I had always wondered how that family's dysfunctional behavior would one day wreck the company, but with so many dysfunctional police departments utilizing Glocks, a match made in dysfunctional land, the money is going to be there

 

[Ruger Packer]

I have a Beretta 92FS that I would not trade for 5 Glocks, and I have shot a lot of Glocks.

George, I love the Beretta 92 (and 96). From the first time I picked one up and shot it, it seems I couldn't miss (even if I closed my eyes)!

 

[mohavesam]

Whoa nellie... Everyone DOES understand this thread is not about whether one likes Glock pistols or not. Right?

And I must say comparing Bill Ruger to Gaston Glock is well, a cheap non-value add. Ruger did not set up paper companies in several nations to launder dirty money, defraud tax agencies and embezzle tens of millions from his own company, didn't become famous for adultery and infidelity and flying whoores around the world, and certainly did not defraud his wife and family while sinning with his 50-year-younger whoore (I mean mistress/nurse/concubine/new wife).

Besdies, Glock invented ONE pistol design. WBR designed dozens. Zero comparison, cheap shot.

Its not about the pistols...

 

[wolfsong]

Uh, I believe that's what I said...

 

[mohavesam]

me too...

 

[No-1]

....Just too bad American gun makers couldn't recognize the technology and marketing potential in time.

Just like American car manufacturers and small cars.

 

[Rei40c]

This kinda thing is really something I try not to know. It seems to me that if you follow large amounts of money far enough, dig deep enough in any industry, you also find the depths of human depravity if you seek it.

I don't allow this kinda thing in because if I where a principled man, and this was my standard I imagine I'd not be buying much of anything attached to large corporations for the same reasons I'd object to Glock. Food, Clothing, Cars, is there anything untouched? I doubt it.

I own a Glock and enjoy it very much. But I'm not going to get personally invested in what someone who works there or even owns the joint is/ is not doing.

 

[steelshooterco]

Besdies, Glock invented ONE pistol design. WBR designed dozens.
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You could say Glock invented one, Bill copied and improved dozens.....

Go to the Springfield Armory in MA and you will see the majority of these "original" designs. You'll also learn abut their process of continuous improvement. Great working miniature model of a stock replicating machine they created whose concept is still in use today.

Recommend anyone interested in firearms make a pilgrimage there.

 

[Colonialgirl]

You couldn't PAY me to step foot into that socialist heaven of Anti-Gun BS called Massachusetts.

Sorry about that, but if they want me unarmed and helpless, they'll have to forget abut me spending any time or money there.

 

[Cooperhawk]

Wait a gosh darn minute, I have many Luepolds on my Rugers. What's wrong with them? :roll:

 

[cruzerlou]

I have owned 3 and been issued one . First was a 3rd gen G19 ,rock solid carry/ duty gun, ,2 a 4th gen G-22 I prefer the 4th gen over the issue earlier 3rd gen G 22's that my Sheriff's Office issues .The Sheriff allowed me to purchase my own new 4th gen as my duty provided that I DID NOT modify it in any other than installing a set of Tru-Glo tritium night sight and an extended slide stop. Again a rock solid ,uber reliable , accurate enough duty gun .

When a fellow deputy made the S.W.A.T team I swapped him my 4th gen G22 for a nearly N.I.B. late 3rd gen [ not the R.T.F. version] G 17 W/ factory night sights and 2 mags . My 4th Gen had had around 5,000 rounds through it and I had 5 mags .Just the ticket for his spare duty gun .

I have installed a Ghost Rocket 3.5 pound trigger disconnect which lightened up the trigger quite a bit ,but more than that shortened up the trigger reset ,[I installed a H.D. sear spring and lighter hammer safety spring and left the stock firing pin spring as this is still a carry gun and NOT a race gun ] making it a better gun in so gar as quick follow up shots go .
I also installed a extended mag and slide releases and A D.M.P. dual recoil spring which helps a lot with recoil ,again allowing for much faster follow up shots.

My Kimber T.L.E.II is still my favorite carry gun ,but now this 3rd gen G17 runs a close second .

Glock's are a tool, and a very good tool when used as intended as a combat sidearm .You can make them super accurate and build a nice race gun out of them ,but consider the cost of a Glock to other guns in it's class. With my L.E.O discount at the Police distributor my Sheriff's Office deal's with I paid $ 389.99 N.I.b. for one of the first 4th Gen G 22's to hit the market .Add $89.99 for the Tru-Glo Tritium night sights installed and for less than 500 bucks I had a very reliable, accurate duty gun .
My Sheriff's Office paid even less for their bulk purchase of the Office's new side arms , for a small Department like ours , with a very limited budget and the Glock starts to look pretty good .
As to the man ,Gaston Glock him self ,I could really care less about his personal life .
He designed a great tool for the job .Keep in mind that world wide there are more Glock's in the holsters of Military, Police and civilians that all other pistols combined .The man did something right .
Anyway , that's my 2 cents on the matter.
Lou

 

[welder]

Lou said:
As to the man ,Gaston Glock him self ,I could really care less about his personal life .
He designed a great tool for the job .Keep in mind that world wide there are more Glock's in the holsters of Military, Police and civilians that all other pistols combined .The man did something right .(QUOTE)

Couldn't agree more Lou. He also produced a gun that revolutionized the industry and that's a good thing. New ideas spur the market and from that we get new toys. I like it and would appreciate Glock for that contribution alone. Like you, his personal life is his personal business, as it should be.

 

[mohavesam]

So... we have some folks here who still condemn Bill Ruger for his capitulation to the US government and a decision he made in total legality; however some others accept the anti-social, anti-Christian, immoral and patently illegal (in multiple countries) actions of Gaston Glock, and particpate in his kind of business AFTER they become informed.
Justification is a funny thing. Then again, we all buy gas from Arabs who want to kill us, some even buy gas-guzzlers they don't need. Strange species indeed.

As to the pistols (not relevant but so many want to talk about them), they are simple enough for cops and uneducated gangbangers. They mostly work. That's about it.

 

[Selena]

OK, Glock wasn't a nice guy. If you ask Tesla, Edison wasn't either but his light bulbs are sure nice.

 

[The Blackhawk Kid]

Well H**L! The chairman of General motors turned out to be a scalywag when Obummer weeded out the auto industry. How many of us still drive Chevy's? I sold mine and got me a ford!

 

[montegomx70]

when clinton bullied the gun manufacturers, smith and wesson kissed his rearend but glock told him to stuff it. i will always have respect for glock for that.