Texas Ranger statue in Dallas
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Skoopski
Blackhawk
Probably shouldn't have gone up in the first place... You know what they say about hindsight.
Colonialgirl
Hawkeye
Snowninja said:
NO; Explain it to us !
Skoopski
Blackhawk
The statue is of Ranger Capt. Jay Banks. The most famous photo of him is from when he was helping to keep black kids from going to school. (Albeit, from order of the governor. I'm not disputing that he was just doing his job, but you have to admit that was the wrong side of history)Just saying they could've used a hundred better subjects for the model.
RSIno1
Hunter
Maybe they will move it downtown. "One Riot One Ranger" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Kzok-C-fPg
gunhaus
Bearcat
Ya'll dig Ma Fergason up and put her back in charge down there?
powder smoke
Hawkeye
Snowninja said:
History has a way of repeating itself, if we remember History it is to every ones benefit!
Tearing it down is a mistake good or bad, History is what it is! one cannot and should not attempt to erase it.
contender
Ruger Guru
"History has a way of repeating itself, if we remember History it is to every ones benefit!
Tearing it down is a mistake good or bad, History is what it is! one cannot and should not attempt to erase it."
^^^^^^^^^^ THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^
While some of our history is not as clean & good as we'd like,, it IS our history. Good or bad,, it reflects & shows a bygone era. Here in the South,, it has become PC to remove stuff related to the Civil War,, because SOME feel it offends the black people. I know some black folks who have had their family ancestors fight FOR the South,, and they know that it was about States Rights.
Texas Rangers fought for law & order,, in a time when it was mostly lawless. Were they all good? No. Did they all uphold the letter of the law? No. Did they bring law & order to a wild place? Yes. Were they the only ones? No.
When they do stuff like this,, I often ask; "Who among us is perfect & has never committed a wrong against another person?" Let history stand,,, and let us learn lessons FROM that history,, good AND bad!
Tearing it down is a mistake good or bad, History is what it is! one cannot and should not attempt to erase it."
^^^^^^^^^^ THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^
While some of our history is not as clean & good as we'd like,, it IS our history. Good or bad,, it reflects & shows a bygone era. Here in the South,, it has become PC to remove stuff related to the Civil War,, because SOME feel it offends the black people. I know some black folks who have had their family ancestors fight FOR the South,, and they know that it was about States Rights.
Texas Rangers fought for law & order,, in a time when it was mostly lawless. Were they all good? No. Did they all uphold the letter of the law? No. Did they bring law & order to a wild place? Yes. Were they the only ones? No.
When they do stuff like this,, I often ask; "Who among us is perfect & has never committed a wrong against another person?" Let history stand,,, and let us learn lessons FROM that history,, good AND bad!
Ugly Hombre
Blackhawk
Bad move taking down the Ranger Statue-un American and stupid-Rangers like Frank Hamer fought the gd KKK, and worked to protect all Texans.
Revising rewriting destroying history is typical of leftist tactics. Horse apples.
Destroying Confederate memorials is stupid and anti American as well imo.
The south fought for what they thought was right, they lost and the country reunited.
The south has its own history and to disrespect it is vile.
Sad, sad times for our Republic.
Revising rewriting destroying history is typical of leftist tactics. Horse apples.
Destroying Confederate memorials is stupid and anti American as well imo.
The south fought for what they thought was right, they lost and the country reunited.
The south has its own history and to disrespect it is vile.
Sad, sad times for our Republic.
Well, Orwell's predictions are all coming true. Perhaps they should make 1984 mandatory reading in school. But that assumes the kids can actually read and comprehend what they have read.
JFB
Hunter
Ugly Hombre said:
There is a tv ad running in NC that shows battle field (reenactments?) with the commentary the South fought to destroy the US, were traitors and defeated by the rightous north and thus the statues must come down
Ugly Hombre
Blackhawk
Well I am Yankee and my family fought for the north, and I think that is wrong- regardless it is vile to destroy history and reshape to something it was not- like the Bolsheviks did in 1917.
I am not from the south but people from the south have a right to revere their history and their family members from the past. Like all of us.
We are all Americans- people from the south have fought for America in every war we have had since the start of our country.
You can bet that the hate America first buzzards will get around to pulling down Washington and Jefferson as soon as they are done with the south.
They hate all of America not just the south.
To hell with them.
jmho
I am not from the south but people from the south have a right to revere their history and their family members from the past. Like all of us.
We are all Americans- people from the south have fought for America in every war we have had since the start of our country.
You can bet that the hate America first buzzards will get around to pulling down Washington and Jefferson as soon as they are done with the south.
They hate all of America not just the south.
To hell with them.
jmho
protoolman
Service-Sixer
Rewriting or erasing history really bothers me too. President Lincoln pardoned everyone after the war to allow all to heal and everyone had pride their efforts. Confederates were buried under their own flag in their own cemeteries. Now they have removed the flags from those cemeteries. Two men buried in Ft. Sam Houston have German swastikas on their headstones and inscriptions that they died for their fuher far from home. They were buried before the cemetery was under the military's control. So now groups want to rip down the headstones because we want to erase swastikas! Leave the dead alone. I sincerely think a man is entitled to be buried forever under the flag he died for as well as have his headstone unmolested.
Mark my words: Many of us will live to see Martin Luther King widely denounced as an "Uncle Tom" and his name removed from things. He just wasn't "progressive" enough, dontcha know. :roll:Ugly Hombre said:
Ugly Hombre
Blackhawk
+1 you are right
The little weasels even want to ban old movies and TV shows.
I am glad I am old and won't be around to see the end game of it.
And I am really concerned for what the good American young people in our country are going to have to go through. Makes me sad.
The little weasels even want to ban old movies and TV shows.
I am glad I am old and won't be around to see the end game of it.
And I am really concerned for what the good American young people in our country are going to have to go through. Makes me sad.
Rook
Blackhawk
My great great grandpa John W. Miller pvt. 1st Tennessee Calvary Co. E was a Union Soldier that was captured by the South on Sept. 24th 1864 near Athens, AL and put in the Cahaba Prison near Cahaba, AL. He was from East Tennessee where there were a lot of northern supporters. I also had relatives that lived in middle Tennessee that fought for the South.
The truth of it is they weren't loyal to either side because they didn't have a dog in the fight. Great great grandpa, like many other men in the East Tennessee area, waited to see which side looked like they might win before joining up. They were smart enough to know that the winning side would have a pension for their soldiers. They didn't care about slaves or taxes because they didn't have any and they didn't make any money to tax. They were poor farmers and if they had a slave that cost from $3,000 to $6,000 at the time they would have sold the slave and retired.
One thing I can guarantee is if they could have had copies of the news paper from election day in 2008 there wouldn't have been enough men signing up for the North to fight a war against a girl scout troop.
The truth of it is they weren't loyal to either side because they didn't have a dog in the fight. Great great grandpa, like many other men in the East Tennessee area, waited to see which side looked like they might win before joining up. They were smart enough to know that the winning side would have a pension for their soldiers. They didn't care about slaves or taxes because they didn't have any and they didn't make any money to tax. They were poor farmers and if they had a slave that cost from $3,000 to $6,000 at the time they would have sold the slave and retired.
One thing I can guarantee is if they could have had copies of the news paper from election day in 2008 there wouldn't have been enough men signing up for the North to fight a war against a girl scout troop.
bogus bill
Hunter
My great, great grandpa on my mothers side was born in Germany, joined Wisconsin's 2nd Volunteers black hat Iron Brigade. I am not sure if he came over to enlist or was already here. He was captured at Bull Run but was either traded out or escaped as he later was wounded at Gettysburg. I have a poor picture of him my wife blew up and cropped of him working on a thrashing crew on his farm. After the war he later became a citizen and by googling and on Ancestor .com I see where he did grand Jury duty etc. Maybe I would have been a southerner had he picked that side?? Wonder how that works?
https://i.postimg.cc/KcL9Yq4K/great-great-grandfather-Frederick-Kerstel.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/KcL9Yq4K/great-great-grandfather-Frederick-Kerstel.jpg
It is important to remember some of these protesters (many African-American) also defaced the Memorial to the Massachusetts 54th.
Soldiers who are perhaps ancestors of ingrate protestors and who gave their lives to Free the Slaves.
Any questions?
Soldiers who are perhaps ancestors of ingrate protestors and who gave their lives to Free the Slaves.
Any questions?
An example that Texas has their share of ass kissers, sycophants and suck ups.
Rick Courtright
Hawkeye
Hi,
From the sometimes you're just in the wrong place at the wrong time file:
My great great grandfather was a farmer in VA, when he picked up everything he had, including his wife and small son, and went with Daniel Boone to KY. The small settlement they built was attacked by Indians, who killed his wife, stole his son to be brought up an Indian, and "sold him (gg-gf) to the French", whatever that entailed (read "white slavery"?) Years later he managed to get back to KY, got his son back from the Indians, remarried, and my great grandfather came along.
At some time the family had relocated from KY to IN, where my great grandfather joined the 150th Indiana Infantry Regiment. They almost missed the war, not being called up until March 9, 1865. Counting on my fingers and toes, that's a month to the day before Gen'l Lee signed the papers. The 150th was sent to Harper's Ferry according to a book on the family we have, and in that month, my great grandfather managed to get himself wounded and sent home. I don't know how or where he was wounded, but my Mom--his granddaughter--told me he suffered after effects of the wound his whole life, and died early.
FWIW, I don't recall stories about how any of these folks who'd had some rather serious problems ever holding on to bad feelings about the Indians, or the Rebels. For a while, sure, but generations? Stuff happened, it killed you or you survived it, and you got on with your life. Or so the book recounts the stories. Later, great grandfather relocated from IN to MO, where my grandfather was born and raised. He was probably the most tolerant person our family had, and we never heard him say anything bad about the folks involved in the family mishaps, nor did he hold a grudge for what had happened a century before. He didn't like farm life, and got off the farm as soon as he could, going on to obtain the first college degree on either side of the family, served in the Navy in WWI, and generally had a pretty good life. Don't like your current life? As someone once put it, change your attitude or your latitude.
I wish there was a way to ask some of these people who actually did see some pretty horrific things in their lives what they think about today's goings on. The might change their tune and start saying some bad things!
Rick C
From the sometimes you're just in the wrong place at the wrong time file:
My great great grandfather was a farmer in VA, when he picked up everything he had, including his wife and small son, and went with Daniel Boone to KY. The small settlement they built was attacked by Indians, who killed his wife, stole his son to be brought up an Indian, and "sold him (gg-gf) to the French", whatever that entailed (read "white slavery"?) Years later he managed to get back to KY, got his son back from the Indians, remarried, and my great grandfather came along.
At some time the family had relocated from KY to IN, where my great grandfather joined the 150th Indiana Infantry Regiment. They almost missed the war, not being called up until March 9, 1865. Counting on my fingers and toes, that's a month to the day before Gen'l Lee signed the papers. The 150th was sent to Harper's Ferry according to a book on the family we have, and in that month, my great grandfather managed to get himself wounded and sent home. I don't know how or where he was wounded, but my Mom--his granddaughter--told me he suffered after effects of the wound his whole life, and died early.
FWIW, I don't recall stories about how any of these folks who'd had some rather serious problems ever holding on to bad feelings about the Indians, or the Rebels. For a while, sure, but generations? Stuff happened, it killed you or you survived it, and you got on with your life. Or so the book recounts the stories. Later, great grandfather relocated from IN to MO, where my grandfather was born and raised. He was probably the most tolerant person our family had, and we never heard him say anything bad about the folks involved in the family mishaps, nor did he hold a grudge for what had happened a century before. He didn't like farm life, and got off the farm as soon as he could, going on to obtain the first college degree on either side of the family, served in the Navy in WWI, and generally had a pretty good life. Don't like your current life? As someone once put it, change your attitude or your latitude.
I wish there was a way to ask some of these people who actually did see some pretty horrific things in their lives what they think about today's goings on. The might change their tune and start saying some bad things!
Rick C
Colonel Daddy
Buckeye
According to much of the history of my family, the first that bore my name came to Port Tobacco Virginia in 1640. He spelled his name the same as I do according to documents. He had many children and some spelled their name differently, including the currently most popular spelling. He had many children and descendants and they migrated over several generations to the North and to the South. I happen to be from one line that migrated South. My gg grandfather and one of his sons fought with an Alabama infantry group, joining at Montgomery Al. I would hope that if I were descended from one of the groups that went North, I would have the same attitude as some of my Ruger Forum brothers and accept that history is history and it didn't deserve to be altered and have it's statues torn down. There is no record of any of my direct ancestors having slaves, tho it's possible that some did.
Pat-inCO
Hawkeye
CG . . . . I think you scared him off. :wink:Colonialgirl said:
Skoopski
Blackhawk
I literally responded in the very next post...Pat-inCO said:
coach
Hunter
Is it revising history or is it removing symbols of the Jim Crow segregation era that were erected to remind part of the population that they best remember their place.
I was speaking with a buddy today about all this "Anti-history" movements we see. I told him that I would bet that if yoiu asked 50 people what the "Emancipation Proclamation" was all about that 40 of them would say "It freed the slaves". Unfortunately that is only partially correct. It 'freed the slaves in States in rebellion against the United States. As an example, Maryland was a slave state but since it is wasn't in "rebellion' it isn't included in the proclamation, nor were many others.
Captain America
Hunter
Who knew defacing a statue could be so funny...
https://youtu.be/DlZJKkMf09w
https://youtu.be/DlZJKkMf09w
