Tablesaw ...

Phoenix too

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Some of you know I do classes with kids... Said party has been working with me, using the tablesaw for a year or so. Today, the first time, I caught her just before she stopped pushing the piece (with push stick) out between the blade and the fence. WHEW! The second time I didn't... Like a bullet that piece of cedar caught her in the right lower shoulder. Thank heavens it won't amount to more than soreness and a bruise.

Repeat after me: TABLE SAWS ARE NOT FORGIVING!
 
This is for sure. Have a friend that has been a cabinet maker and woodworker his entire life and nearly cut off a couple fingers two years ago on his table saw.
 
Been a wood butcher for decades and have the scars to show for it. There are very few tools in a wood shop that aren't looking for an opportunity to do you damage. Even the dust is out get you.
 
Table saws deserve respect, cutting off fingers is bad but kickbacks are more frequent.
New saws have riving knives that are over and behind the blade at close tolerances they
prevent material from contacting the rear and top of the blade which cause kickback.

I once was ripping a small piece of plywood maybe 2 ft. sq. that sucker came back and hit me
in the chest so hard it took the wind outta me. Hurt my pride more than anything. Kickback is
not good.

I too am a lifelong woodworker and have respect for all power tools. Things happen fast. ps
 
Gunny I use to take dust lightly not anymore it is catching up with me, dust mask galore now.
Cedar dust is actually poison. ps
 
I have a Craftsman table saw. I have a healthy amount of dear when using it. And yes I have had small pieces of wood shoot back across the work shop. Since then I do not stand directly behind the wood or blade.
 
If I were to buy a table saw now or was teaching with one I'd sure use a Sawstop table saw.
http://www.sawstop.com/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiYoBbEZwlk
 
powder smoke said:
Gunny I use to take dust lightly not anymore it is catching up with me, dust mask galore now.
Cedar dust is actually poison. ps

I think I've posted this link before, but just in case:

Wood allergy and toxicity: http://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/wood-allergies-and-toxicity/
 
powder smoke said:
Table saws deserve respect, cutting off fingers is bad but kickbacks are more frequent.
New saws have riving knives that are over and behind the blade at close tolerances they
prevent material from contacting the rear and top of the blade which cause kickback.

I once was ripping a small piece of plywood maybe 2 ft. sq. that sucker came back and hit me
in the chest so hard it took the wind outta me. Hurt my pride more than anything. Kickback is
not good.

I too am a lifelong woodworker and have respect for all power tools. Things happen fast. ps

It's not just power tools either. A few months ago I violated the prime rule of never putting a body part in front of anything sharp. Severed the big artery in my left thumb with 3/4" bench chisel. Didn't hurt, but bled like a stuck pig. Got the girls at the local clinic all excited, since they don't get many bleeders. 4 stitches and a lot of ribbing. The gal who stitched me up said she loved this kind of thing, so I told her I'd try to do better next time. :mrgreen: :wink:
 
I remember a guy saying "familiarity breeds contempt". You can let judgment lapse. Saws don't care what they cut.
 
Have seen lots of kickbacks put dents in a steel roll up door at the High School wood shop. Nothing was as nasty as watching and older gent run 3 fingers through a jointer. :shock: Not much left to sew back on when it was finished with him. Push sticks do serve a purpose.
 
Yep, chose a career as a woodworker. (can't say worked, because I loved every day) Still have all ten, although some don't look quite the same. :wink:
 
I too still have all ten, tho the index finger on my left hand is a tad shorter.
Not a saw or tool tho, Logging on my property crushed the tip in a stack of
spruce logs, the peevey hook was not set secure enough log rolled and caught the tip
I was quit quick enough. ps
 
GunnyGene said:
powder smoke said:
Gunny I use to take dust lightly not anymore it is catching up with me, dust mask galore now.
Cedar dust is actually poison. ps

I think I've posted this link before, but just in case:

Wood allergy and toxicity: http://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/wood-allergies-and-toxicity/

Thanks Gunny, Interesting Doug Fir will make you giddy that explains something lol ps
 
After many years of working in a wood shop I still have all my fingers. I've been hurt twice and both times it was on my tablesaw, man can that blade throw a piece of wood at you. At least two times a loose knot has been been stuck in my 9' high ceiling.
 
Had a piece of wood take off from a table saw on a job years ago. It went through a double pane window. I told the boss a giant bird flew into the window and he believed me. I then told him what really happened. I have more respect for all power tools since.
 
There are a ton of gizmos and gadgets on the market - some very good - that will make woodworking safer. Unfortunately, many people either don't know about them, never had any instruction, or think they are invincible. Many of the jigs and fixtures that I use (some I've made myself) are designed specifically to improve not only the quality of a cut, but also to insure my safety. For tablesaws there are many very useful addons that can be bought or made - feather boards for holding a piece down and tight against the fence to prevent kickbacks, homemade jigs for crosscuts and miter cuts, table extensions to catch long pieces, zero clearance inserts to prevent thin pieces from jamming the blade, and so on. Even simply keeping the table and fence clean and waxed and properly aligning the blade with the fence will reduce the chance of injury significantly. Here's a pretty good selection of what's available retail. There are others of course. http://www.woodcraft.com/category/3/1005233/2083485/Shop%20Safety.aspx

That said, cheap homeowner benchtop saws (those $300 Chinese specials) are an accident waiting to happen. If you can't afford a decent contractor or cabinet saw, hire somebody to do the work on their equipment.

Use quality blades, miter gages, etc. The junk that comes with most mid-range and lower saws will cause you nothing but grief.

My TS is a 12 year old upgraded iron top Craftsman. I use blades designed for the purpose - rip tooth, crosscut, dado set, etc. Probably have $800 invested in quality blades from Freud, and other high end makers, a $180 Incra miter gage, upgraded motor, linkbelt and forged pulleys, precision gages, etc.
 
Thought I'd post a couple pics of some of the jigs stuff I use with my TS in case anybody is looking for some ideas:

TSjigs1.jpg~original


tsjigs2.jpg~original
 
Some years ago, my son came home from school with the back of his shirt speckled with blood. One of his classmates was ripping a board with 1). The blade too high, and 2). Blade guard removed. Pushing the wood with his thumb, it slipped off the edge and he passed his hand through the blade, severing all his fingers. My son said they didn't fall off until the boy shook his hand in reaction and the fingers went bouncing about the shop floor.
A few weeks later a lawyer showed up at our house to interview my son. The lawyer was representing the school district, and wanted information from the witnesses. I told the man that what the kid did was contrary to what he was taught, and the shop teacher couldn't watch the doings of 20-some kids scattered around power tools. The lawyer said they were going after the saw manufacturer for not supplying an adequate blade guard. I told him good luck with that.
Incidentally, the hospital reattached all the boy's fingers and he eventually regained the use of them after about a year.

When I started out woodworking, I had a puny Rockwell table saw that you could stall if you tried to cut an extra thick piece, or use an 8" diameter dado blade. When I got my 3HP, 220v Grizzly that wasn't gonna happen. There should be a label stating, "Warning! Anything placed in the vicinity of this blade will be removed."

Ya wanna see something REALLY scary?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiYoBbEZwlk
 
I had my table saw throw a block of ebony back at me. I was standing to the side of the blade and using a push stick but it still bound up some how. It screw up my middle finger. To this day I can't bend it all the way like I can my other finger. Luckily I saw standing to the side of the blade but it still threw the block of wood across the room and through a window.

After that, I went out and bought a 14" band saw to do all my re-sawing. Only used that table saw maybe 2 or 3 times in the last 3 years and that was just to make some cross cuts on some long boards.
 
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