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[ra]

There have been a lot of discussion on different online forums that there is no such round being a 45 Long Colt, the correct name is 45 Colt. A lot of bandwidth has been used up pro and con. To be sure of the correct name of said round lets go to the source :?

http://www.coltsmfg.com/products-c1-q43 ... lvers.aspx

ra

 

[Kanook]

Now that is funny. I almost spit beer out my nose.

If I knew how to post pics I could show some revlovers that are marked 45 LONG COLT

 

[Bear Paw Jack]

If you tell the guys around here that Colt believes it's 45 Long Colt they will tell you somebody that doesn't know what they are talking about took over the real Colt. I grew up with Long Colt also, hard habit to break. Guess I don't have to. If it's good enough for Colt it's good enough for me. Not to waste bandwidth mind you.

 

[smokehouse]

Any time anyone gets snippy about it I just tell them...either or man...either or...

No point arguing about it...

 

[Jimbo357mag]

I found this one time.

...Jimbo

 

[TRanger]

I don't care what Colt says; it's still .45 Colt.

 

[nn]

.45 long colt; ,45 long colt; got it?

 

[Ale-8(1)]

From the Colt website linked above . . .

"Colt revolvers come in six standard calibers. Choose the classic .45 Long Colt or any of five others to suit your taste: .357, .32/20, .38 Special, .44/40, .38/40."

 

[Jimbo357mag]

From the Colt website linked above . . .

"Colt revolvers come in six standard calibers. Choose the classic .45 Long Colt or any of five others to suit your taste: .357, .32/20, .38 Special, .44/40, .38/40."

Yeah, but is 'classic' the same as regular Colt? :roll: :roll:

What did Colt say in their old ads? We will have to search for old Colt ads.

Here is a 1981 ad from Colt. Shows both in the same ad.

...Jimbo

...Jimbo

 

[protoolman]

To me either is correct. I once saw a very old box posted in this type of argument that clearly said .45 Long Colt and it was supposedly turn of the century vintage. Apparently that was to distinguish it from the .45 Schofield load. I also had a VHS a few years ago where Col. Cooper refers to all revolvers and autos generically as Pistols and gave historical reference to back it up. As far as the .45 argument Im willing to accept either .45 Colt or .45 Long Colt. either way its one heck of a neat caliber. I have 2 blackhawks one shorty 4 5/8 and a 7 1/2 long barrel. I can't figure out which one is my favorite!

 

[jamesellik]

From my understanding, the cartridge was developed and patented as .45 Colt, but almost immediately became dubbed as the ".45 LONG COLT" or simply ".45 Long" to soldiers to that carried both Colt and Schofield revolvers. Those chambered in .45 Colt could fire the shorter .45 Schofield round, but not vice-versa. From what I read, the US Army eventually stopped purchasing 45Colt ammo, and just stocked .45 Schofield to simplify the issue.

With the history, while I feel that .45 colt is the proper name, 45LC is perfectly acceptable colloquialism.

 

[Wyandot Jim]

From my understanding, the cartridge was developed and patented as .45 Colt, but almost immediately became dubbed as the ".45 LONG COLT" or simply ".45 Long" to soldiers to that carried both Colt and Schofield revolvers. Those chambered in .45 Colt could fire the shorter .45 Schofield round, but not vice-versa. From what I read, the US Army eventually stopped purchasing 45Colt ammo, and just stocked .45 Schofield to simplify the issue.

With the history, while I feel that .45 colt is the proper name, 45LC is perfectly acceptable colloquialism.

Not reallllllllll sure the SAA would fire the Schofield due to the rim size.
The blackpowder Colt had a small dia. cyl. and the OLD 45 round had a VERY small rim.
I have some head stamped 1909 45s that will not fit in a SAA. They were made for a Colt double action.
Jim

 

[Rclark]

The 'proper' name is still .45 Colt. Period. That's a fact... Now, there was a time in our history when .45 'Long' Colt made some sense when there was the conflict between .45 Colt and the 'short' .45 Schofield. Today, of course, it isn't required to use it's nickname, but people (and companies) still insist on using the alias 'Long Colt', some out of ignorance, others just because they like saying 'I shoot .45 Loooong Colt', others as a marketing ploy. Nothing wrong with that.... as long as all know we are really talking about the .45 Colt cartridge. Aliases always seem to be popular .... take SASS for example . Personally I'll stick with the proper name when I talk about the cartridge.

 

[CraigC]

Colt has had its collective head up its a-s-s for fifty years. They go so far as to recommend AGAINST shooting their SAA's. So who cares what they say??? Like most manufacturers, they're catering to the ignorant. If I hear a .357Mag referred to as a ".38/.357" one more time, I may blow. Maybe you should look at what is actually stamped on the guns?

It was never originally referred to as "Long Colt". It was simply the .45Colt. The "Long" came in later to differentiate it from the .45Gov't that was loaded for use in both .45Colt's and .45S&W's. IMHO, it is only used today to differentiate between the .45Colt and .45ACP for those counter monkeys that don't know the difference. The "Long" is completely unnecessary for use amongst educated shooters and they all have easily discernable names.

.45Colt
.45Gov't (loooooong obsolete)
.45S&W (or Schofield)
.45ACP (or .45Auto but never anything even closely resembling .45Colt)

Where is the .45 Short Colt?

 

[seeemmiss]

I wish I got this bent over a name!!! Wars have been started for less I would think. I mean really!!! It is an opinion and nothing more and to be honest yours does not matter to me so call it whatever and run with it just don't push your logic on me. Pretty sure the Constitution allows for a difference in opinion about this but I could be wrong.

 

[CraigC]

If these minor details are unimportant to you, you don't have to participate in the discussion.

 

[Longrange]

So was there a short colt????

 

[maxpress]

whatched a guy loose a sale once over this. im looking at guns and my chiropratcor come in and says "hey (bob), ya got any 45 long colts" (bob) rolls his eyes and says "no" so the chiro says "well im sure (the other shop) has some" shop owner says "WAIT we have 45COLTS" chiro just turns and leaves and comes back about an hour later with a $2000 colt in hand and says. "hey (bob), YA got any ammo for this" the only thing bigger than this shopkeepers opinion is his copetitiveness of trying to put the other shop out of buissness. i thought he was going to be sick right there.

i figure as long as ya both can figure out what your talking about and dont put the wrong ammo in the wrong gun who cares.

 

[seeemmiss]

My point exactly !! Don't get bent in something so small was what I was saying. Life is too short.

 

[Rclark]

It is an opinion and nothing more

Opinion? This isn't an 'Opinion'. It has been, is, and always will be the .45 Colt cartridge. Repeat. The .45 Colt cartridge has a nickname -- .45 'Long' Colt. Now where does this change to be an opinion? Facts are ummm, well, facts.

Now as to personal preference, that is different. I prefer to call it what it is (maybe that's one reason why I am a conservative... I know what 'is' is) . No need to gussy it up with another name <-- Yes that is an opinion . Others prefer to call it something else. In the .45 Colt case, I am familiar with the nickname, and while not being the technically 'correct' name, hey, we can still communicate . Sort of like using 'slang'...

 

[mrjefe2u]

That .45 Colt sure is long.

Doh

 

[btrumanj]

Since I calls it both .45 Colt and .45 Long Colt it don't make much difference to me except when some "know it all" on one of these boards corrects and/or belittles me for my terminology.

 

[Anonymous]

Where is the .45 Short Colt?

The 45 'short' colt, athough it was never officially designated as such, was the 45 government that you alluded to.

That was just the 45 Schofield with a rim diameter small enough so that it could be fired in the 45 Colt revolvers (Peacemakers?).

Since the schofield and the 45 government was somewhat shorter than the 45 Colt, and since both the schofield revolvers and the Colts were being used at the same time in the military, the 'long Colt' moniker was used to differentiate between the two.

45 Colt, or Long Colt, today they are one and the same.

 

[street]

If I hear a .357Mag referred to as a ".38/.357" one more time, I may blow.

A ruger .357 Blackhawk is a .38/.357.

Please get someone to take some pictures when you blow!!!!!

PS it's also a .38/.357/9mm if you have the extra cylinder.

 

[tookalisten]

I thought it was 45LC.

 

[Rclark]

I thought it was 45LC.

Well, now that you have been educated properly on the different cartridges in the above posts, you can start thinking correctly now .

 

[Anonymous]

If I hear a .357Mag referred to as a ".38/.357" one more time, I may blow.

A ruger .357 Blackhawk is a .38/.357.

Please get someone to take some pictures when you blow!!!!!

PS it's also a .38/.357/9mm if you have the extra cylinder.

Actually in a lot of cases, it is a 357/38sp/38S&W/9mm.

Not all 357/38sp cylinders will accept the 38 S&W, but most will. 8)

 

[Ale-8(1)]

.45 Short Colt . . .

http://www.cowboy45special.com/cowboy45brass.html

:mrgreen:

 

[CraigC]

A ruger .357 Blackhawk is a .38/.357.

Please get someone to take some pictures when you blow!!!!!

PS it's also a .38/.357/9mm if you have the extra cylinder.

A .357 is a .357 and anybody with any knowledge whatsoever knows that a .357 revolver will also chamber .38Spl. It is a redundancy used by manufacturers aimed at reducing confusion among the uninitiated. Why a knowledgeable shooter with half a lick of sense would use a term designed to save the idiots from themselves is beyond me. But do as you wish.

The 45 'short' colt, athough it was never officially designated as such, was the 45 government that you alluded to.

So you're using extraneous, made-up terminology to differentiate a cartridge with a different name from one that is so long obsolete that most shooters have never even heard of it??? Okay.


Welcome to the world of "you know what I mean" is good enough. A politically correct world where avoiding hurt feelings are more important than proper use of English, among other things. Where folks would much rather be wrong, as long as "you know what I mean" than actually change a bad habit. The continued degradation of the English language. You know where this laziness leads? It leads to folks on forums like this communicating in textspeak that nobody under 20yrs old can even decipher.

It's no wonder our children are so dumb.

 

[Jimbo357mag]

Let me see if I got this now? '.45 Colt' is the correct and proper name for the cartridge. (I knew that) and '.45 Long Colt' has been used to describe the same cartridge since the get-go over 140 years ago. Hmmmmmmmm ...so at this point I would say that either one is ok with me, but it might not be ok with you. :? :?

...Jimbo