SR9 Trigger Mod
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jhearne
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Ruger doesn't really have a paper warranty to void. If the damage to the pistol is obviously from neglect or misuse, expect to pay for repairs. Ruger will however work on pistols that don't function properly if you call them.
I'm installing my Ghost Rocket today, the Rocket has the TCT (Trigger Control Tab), it keeps the overtravel down and is NOT a direct drop-in part and requires multiple teardowns to get it's fit/function correct. The Ultimate is a drop-in part and accomplishes the same weight drop as the Rocket but has no TCT to stop overtravel. The other (Tactical?) is a less severe drop in weight to 5.5 rather the other model's advertised 3.5 weight. It does have the TCT and requires the same fitting as the Rocket would need.
If your SR9 is 100% reliable and you get any of the Ghost Trigger Connectors and something goes wrong after installation. Meaning, Light Strikes, Failure to Reset or some other function related problem (NOT Failure to Eject, shouldn't be related to the Trigger) call Ghost about the problem and see about a new part or troubleshooting it over the phone. They will likely replace the part at no charge to you (except maybe shipping). Ghost's Customer Service is excellent for as small a company as they really are.
If your unsure about the cause of the problem, reinstall the Stock Trigger Connector and see if the problem changes or goes away. If it goes away, reinstall the Ghost trigger to confirm you've isolated the problem. Then call Ghost. If the problem stays, leave the stock connector in place and call Ruger. Do not send them a SR9/c with a Ghost connector as they might replace it with a stock part and charge you parts/labor for the installation. Better safe than sorry.
Note that if there is a problem with the internals and parts are replaced, the drop-in Ultimate will still go back in. The Rocket or Tactical model with TCT may need to be re-fit or even replaced depending on variances in the parts from your stock configuration before the repair.
If your handy and wouldn't mind the extra work for a better overtravel, get the Rocket, if your looking for a simple one stop solution, get the Ultimate.
Also, it's important to note that the advertised weights DO NOT transfer directly to the new pull of your gun. Variances in the SR9 triggers are astoundingly different and no gun will react the same. It will get lighter and should be better, but don't expect the 3.5 or 5.5 advertised pulls. Ghost notes this on the Glock parts that to achieve a 3.5 pound pull you will need new lighter springs to compliment the new connector. There are no such spring sets for the SR9/c as of yet.
Hope this helps
Josh
I'm installing my Ghost Rocket today, the Rocket has the TCT (Trigger Control Tab), it keeps the overtravel down and is NOT a direct drop-in part and requires multiple teardowns to get it's fit/function correct. The Ultimate is a drop-in part and accomplishes the same weight drop as the Rocket but has no TCT to stop overtravel. The other (Tactical?) is a less severe drop in weight to 5.5 rather the other model's advertised 3.5 weight. It does have the TCT and requires the same fitting as the Rocket would need.
If your SR9 is 100% reliable and you get any of the Ghost Trigger Connectors and something goes wrong after installation. Meaning, Light Strikes, Failure to Reset or some other function related problem (NOT Failure to Eject, shouldn't be related to the Trigger) call Ghost about the problem and see about a new part or troubleshooting it over the phone. They will likely replace the part at no charge to you (except maybe shipping). Ghost's Customer Service is excellent for as small a company as they really are.
If your unsure about the cause of the problem, reinstall the Stock Trigger Connector and see if the problem changes or goes away. If it goes away, reinstall the Ghost trigger to confirm you've isolated the problem. Then call Ghost. If the problem stays, leave the stock connector in place and call Ruger. Do not send them a SR9/c with a Ghost connector as they might replace it with a stock part and charge you parts/labor for the installation. Better safe than sorry.
Note that if there is a problem with the internals and parts are replaced, the drop-in Ultimate will still go back in. The Rocket or Tactical model with TCT may need to be re-fit or even replaced depending on variances in the parts from your stock configuration before the repair.
If your handy and wouldn't mind the extra work for a better overtravel, get the Rocket, if your looking for a simple one stop solution, get the Ultimate.
Also, it's important to note that the advertised weights DO NOT transfer directly to the new pull of your gun. Variances in the SR9 triggers are astoundingly different and no gun will react the same. It will get lighter and should be better, but don't expect the 3.5 or 5.5 advertised pulls. Ghost notes this on the Glock parts that to achieve a 3.5 pound pull you will need new lighter springs to compliment the new connector. There are no such spring sets for the SR9/c as of yet.
Hope this helps
Josh
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jhearne (who did the how-tos here) got his Rocket a couple days ago I think and I'm sure he'll be posting a review. I got my Ultimate yesterday, but I'm waiting on a dremel so I can do some polishing while I'm in there. As far the warranty this is straight from the booklet that came with my Ultimate
"Ghost products do not affect your Glock or Ruger Warranties. Using our products in your Glock or Ruger will not void or affect your warranty in any way, period. Our products do not change or alter the function of the Glock or Ruger safety features."
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Try the search, you'll get more hits for the different trigger mods.
jhearne (who did the how-tos here) got his Rocket a couple days ago I think and I'm sure he'll be posting a review. I got my Ultimate yesterday, but I'm waiting on a dremel so I can do some polishing while I'm in there. As far the warranty this is straight from the booklet that came with my Ultimate
"Ghost products do not affect your Glock or Ruger Warranties. Using our products in your Glock or Ruger will not void or affect your warranty in any way, period. Our products do not change or alter the function of the Glock or Ruger safety features."
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Yes, I will be doing a how-to on the installation and modification for the 2 styles Drop-in and Fitting Req'd. Ghost's install instructions on their site and Grendel's video on it are things I recommend if your not wanting to wait. I'll try and get a video up later this weekend or maybe next week, I'm not rushing and I'm going to try a couple things with this one...post production.
gotime, don't polish the Ultimate surfaces, Ghost recommends waiting to wear them in first, if there is a problem with stacking after maybe 500+ rounds then polish. Install that sucker and shoot it!
Josh
gotime, don't polish the Ultimate surfaces, Ghost recommends waiting to wear them in first, if there is a problem with stacking after maybe 500+ rounds then polish. Install that sucker and shoot it!
Josh
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Yeah, I meant polishing some other bits in the FCH. I figure I'll be in there very rarely so I might as well do that while I drop-in the Ultimate. :mrgreen:
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Just leave the surfaces between the Trigger Bar and Ultimate alone for now. Just polish against the Trigger Bar and the Frame contact, TB/Striker Blocker, TB/Striker Tip. Those are the few that come to mind in really helping with stacking.
For polishing the Striker Blocker, you can remove it from the Slide and easily buff it from there. Much easier doing it this way as opposed to trying to reach in the slide and tearing up a buff pad to do it...like when I polished.
Josh
For polishing the Striker Blocker, you can remove it from the Slide and easily buff it from there. Much easier doing it this way as opposed to trying to reach in the slide and tearing up a buff pad to do it...like when I polished
.Josh
Being new to the gun community and no experience in weapon modifications I went ahead and ordered the Ultimate 3.5lb drop in. Most of the articles in this forum view it as favorable so I figured I'd give it a shot. I'll post back when I install and test fire it.. Thanks for all the responses.
I put in an ultimate 3.5 this weekend.......man is it nice. I love the SR9 now. I ma getting one for the other SR9 for sure. It just make it so nice to pull the trigger as opposed to ok i got it to here, dang its sticking....kinda tough now, I will get it,oh man it finally went off.
RCG
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gotime
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Got mine installed last night (Ultimate drop-in) and did about 50 dry fires... it's definitely lighter, but it still feels gritty. I'm going to do some polishing tonight to see if that helps anything. I'll hit the range this weekend with a few hundred rounds and report back.
Just received mine and with the help of the how to videos it went in quick and easy. Thanks guys for the how 2's I wouldn't even attempt it with out them.. Trigger feels lighter and no grittiness now its off to the range. Report back later...
elkhunter62
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Sweet hope you like !!!!Strange":1ycqkqcn said:
Ok just returned after putting 150 down range with the new ghost ultimate mod and I have to give it 2 thumbs up. Trigger feels great. Best $28 investment I could have made in the SR9. Highly recommend it. As far as people saying they have a bump or gritty trigger I would like to know what serial number range do they have. maybe its something with in a specific serial number run with problems.. Mine worked fine before the mod how it works great...My number is 330-5XXX
elkhunter62
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that was the same for me josh and yes pulling normal you cant feel that bump other than that i think ghost did a good job !!!jhearne":2vhceelk said:
Gunsby_Blazen
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i am starting to think that that "bump" is the striker..
i am not sure though...
i have been trying to figure it out for quite some time...
mine is felt just before the break if you are pulling it slow and it feels almost like an odd two stage trigger...
i dont shoot the gun as much as i would like and i am wondering if anyone has noticed the "bump" fading away the more they shoot it...
anyone else think this is a problem or just something to forget about?
i am not sure though...
i have been trying to figure it out for quite some time...
mine is felt just before the break if you are pulling it slow and it feels almost like an odd two stage trigger...
i dont shoot the gun as much as i would like and i am wondering if anyone has noticed the "bump" fading away the more they shoot it...
anyone else think this is a problem or just something to forget about?
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I installed the ghost ultimate without an overtravel stop because this will be a defensive pistol and it vastly improved the trigger. There is still a bump/click but you cant really feel it as much as hear it. Its obviously coming from the slide and probably just part of the metal on metal design inside the striker channel. The glock has a plastic firing pin channel liner with a nickle plated firing pin so it is much smoother. The ghost connector did make it much lighter with hardly any stacking.
Ghost is considered the best aftermarket connector for glocks. They know what there doing.
Ghost is considered the best aftermarket connector for glocks. They know what there doing.
I put the Ghost Ultimate in my SR9c and the trigger is much better. Not sure its 3.5 lbs as advertised (seems more like around 5 lbs) but I dont have a trigger gauge to measure it. Its still acceptable to me. I also did the polishing that Josh showed in his excellent write up in the How To sticky. I even polished the Ghost even though I really didnt need to. The one thing I did different was I also polished the raised parts of the striker where it contacts the channel. My trigger is very smooth now and I dont notice any "bump/click". Not sure if mine had any before the work was done as I never checked.
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+100 on doing the general polishing of the parts in Josh's write-up. This made a huge difference after I installed the Ghost Ultimate. Upon initial installation, I was disappointed with the feel of the trigger due to the bump/click mentioned, even after 400 rounds. Did the polish on the yellow part shown in the write-up, and this thing is smooth as silk now.
John
John
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Gizmo42":2h9d1gkk said:
5 lbs is the average pull I got from a rest/vise setup. 6 lbs was average for my original trigger bar and just over 6.5 lbs for the factory bar, no polish....aside from my other internals of course....those remained polished. I don't notice the bump unless I'm actually trying to feel for it, otherwise I just pull. I have videos of the pulls that I did months ago, but just haven't sat down to do them, my computer's been tied up with other things ATM.
Josh
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Upon further investigation the slight bump half way threw the trigger pull seems to be when the the trigger bar contacts the firing pin safety plunger/block and starts to push it down. You can see it threw the magazine well without a magazine in it when you pull the trigger. The same thing happens with some of my glocks but less pronounced.
I am going to polish all of the contact area including the bearing surfaces on the firing pin. I still think the grityness comes from the ridges in the firing pin channel.
The safety block plunger seems to be where the spring stacking 'sproing' noise comes from also, not the firing pin spring. I am going to remove the block temperately and am willing to bet it gets rid of the slight bump/click and spring noise. Its not safe to run it like this though so i will just polish it while its out.
I am going to polish all of the contact area including the bearing surfaces on the firing pin. I still think the grityness comes from the ridges in the firing pin channel.
The safety block plunger seems to be where the spring stacking 'sproing' noise comes from also, not the firing pin spring. I am going to remove the block temperately and am willing to bet it gets rid of the slight bump/click and spring noise. Its not safe to run it like this though so i will just polish it while its out.
jhearne":2qup16zi said:
Are those with the older lighter striker spring or all with the new heavier one. After thinking about it I was wondering if their "3.5 lbs" was with the lighter spring and now its 5-6 lbs with the heavier striker spring. Either way, 5-6 lbs is fine for a CC weapon. Not trying to put 20 shots in the space of a dime at 100 yds LOL.
Nice to know my trigger finger is fairly well calibrated though :lol:
After reading the positive comments on the forum I also just installed the Ghost Ultimate and am impressed. I don't know if it's truly 3.5lb as advertised, but it's definitely lighter than factory. I put 150 rounds on it today and did not have the jump on my first shot of each magazine as before. It just feels like a more consistent pull to me on all shots. Thanks all for your thoughtful comments that helped me make the decision.
Gunsby_Blazen
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i polished all the parts as mentioned by John
still feel that bump but things are smoother now.
i took out a lot of the machining rough spots but still have that bump
after looking really close at it, i am sure that it is the striker/firing pin assembly that is causing that. the spring in the striker assy. is making spring noises as i pull the trigger back and i located the spot on the striker assy. that is causing the "bump" feeling. at least i think that is what is causing it
if you look at the assembly, near its rear as you compress it, you will notice that one part of the striker moves inside another piece. as the smaller end (the one with the rounded section) pushes into the firing pin housing, it will push up against its wall and i believe that this is that bump...
i dont know, i could be wrong
as for John's firing pin, its all steel looking, did you (john) remove all the paint from it?
my trigger feels light but i swear that it keeps feeling worse....
still feel that bump but things are smoother now.
i took out a lot of the machining rough spots but still have that bump
after looking really close at it, i am sure that it is the striker/firing pin assembly that is causing that. the spring in the striker assy. is making spring noises as i pull the trigger back and i located the spot on the striker assy. that is causing the "bump" feeling. at least i think that is what is causing it
if you look at the assembly, near its rear as you compress it, you will notice that one part of the striker moves inside another piece. as the smaller end (the one with the rounded section) pushes into the firing pin housing, it will push up against its wall and i believe that this is that bump...
i dont know, i could be wrong
as for John's firing pin, its all steel looking, did you (john) remove all the paint from it?
my trigger feels light but i swear that it keeps feeling worse....
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Josh I assume is what you meant by John 
The bump is from the Striker Blocker we think, you can polish it to a degree. A few have been bothered by 'the bump' enough to clip a coil from it's spring. Haven't seen anything bad from it's modification, but it's not something I think is fully necessary. Polishing the blocker allows smoother travel against the Trigger Bar (which you can also polish more if you'd like).
All the SR9/c firing pins are steel with a plastic back end. The first 2/3 of the assembly is steel, while the last bit is just a 2 piece plastic cup and dowel covered with the spring. The dowel just serves as a method of visually telling if the Striker is 'cocked' and you can see it move backwards when you pull the trigger. The plastic Cup just retains the spring and acts as a bushing to the dowel as well.
At one point Ruger blackened the metal strikers, never painted. Ruger's blackening process add's wear prevention to the metal while changing it's physical appearances (blackened) with a chemical heat treat. This process changes on the surface, but does not add any thickness to the steel, the treatment penetrates the surface. Where I work we send parts out to get Nitrided and the process and finish is very similar. The results are quite nice when done properly and the wear prevention is quite nice when the gun isn't abused.
Josh
The bump is from the Striker Blocker we think, you can polish it to a degree. A few have been bothered by 'the bump' enough to clip a coil from it's spring. Haven't seen anything bad from it's modification, but it's not something I think is fully necessary. Polishing the blocker allows smoother travel against the Trigger Bar (which you can also polish more if you'd like).
All the SR9/c firing pins are steel with a plastic back end. The first 2/3 of the assembly is steel, while the last bit is just a 2 piece plastic cup and dowel covered with the spring. The dowel just serves as a method of visually telling if the Striker is 'cocked' and you can see it move backwards when you pull the trigger. The plastic Cup just retains the spring and acts as a bushing to the dowel as well.
At one point Ruger blackened the metal strikers, never painted. Ruger's blackening process add's wear prevention to the metal while changing it's physical appearances (blackened) with a chemical heat treat. This process changes on the surface, but does not add any thickness to the steel, the treatment penetrates the surface. Where I work we send parts out to get Nitrided and the process and finish is very similar. The results are quite nice when done properly and the wear prevention is quite nice when the gun isn't abused.
Josh
Gunsby_Blazen
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haha, sorry about that josh
(oops)
and yep, i am thinking you are right about the striker blocker...
i see what you mean, yeah its blackened and not painted
i have a fairly early new one, right after the recall.
thanks for pointing that out, i think you are SPOT ON!
i am going to go back and see if i can polish that some but i dont think i will go as far as to clip a coil off the spring
awesome!
again, sorry about the name mistake
(oops)and yep, i am thinking you are right about the striker blocker...
i see what you mean, yeah its blackened and not painted
i have a fairly early new one, right after the recall.
thanks for pointing that out, i think you are SPOT ON!
i am going to go back and see if i can polish that some but i dont think i will go as far as to clip a coil off the spring
awesome!
again, sorry about the name mistake
