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SR9/ SR9c & SR40/SR40c Trigger Reset Fix.
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J did your gun reset 100% on live fire? I've had several in house that will not manually reset but run 100% when fired, these guns all had rocket triggers installed and required a little bending to get them to work right under dry fire. 2 of them never would behave right under dry fire but run 100% on live fire.
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I sent my SR9c back to Ruger this July after experiencing 15 reset failures within 600 fired rounds. They did replace the trigger bar (# 40) and the trigger bar reset (#44). I have about 300 rounds through it since it’s been returned and it’s been running 100%.
jstanfield103 said:
You guys just keep on 'improving' your guns until they don't work at all. If a gun was so bad that it needed that much 'improving' ... I think you'd be better off with a different gun .....
God help you if you ever get involved in a SD shooting ..... nah ... come to thing of it ... even God couldn't help you ....
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Oh no, now you did it Rev. You're gonna get poked with the poopie stick or something.
Cheesewhiz said:
Maybe Cheese ... that is just ridiculous .... if a gun was that bad that needs all those improvements .... it sure wouldn't be in my collection. Let alone EVER be carried for SD. A lawsuit waiting to happen.
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jstanfield103 said:
The guns I buy don't need that kind of work ... EVER ... and if they do ... which none ever have ... they would go to a qualified gunsmith or the factory to have the problem resolved .... are you a qualified gunsmith ???
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Rev, actually the SR9c is a fine gun, I'm sure you would like it a lot after firing one, not kidding.
The first one that I fired had one light primer strike in about 70 rounds. After that session I have shot that gun several times, after returning from a trip to Ruger and about five other SR9C's. I'm really impressed with the gun, I don't get it's need for all these "improvements".
The first one that I fired had one light primer strike in about 70 rounds. After that session I have shot that gun several times, after returning from a trip to Ruger and about five other SR9C's. I'm really impressed with the gun, I don't get it's need for all these "improvements".
jstanfield103 said:
Excellent advice from an 'EX' firearms instructor ... I bet all qualifed 'firearms instructors' tell exactly that to all their students .... 'Don't worry about getting into a shooting'.
You hold yourself out as an 'EX' firearms instructor, and tell people who most certainly know far less than you about their guns ... how to bend and modify parts of the fire control system of their guns ... without having the slightest idea of the ramifications of doing so .... and expect that nobody should comment about the folly of such actions ?
Sorry ... it doesn't work that way here.
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Cheesewhiz said:
I'm not doubting that a bit Cheese .... what I have an issue with is someone promoting kitchen-table, amateur, completely untested and unauthorized modifications to a firearm that will be carried for self defense.
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You don't want to know about pulling the firing pin block out of the LC9 to "improve" the trigger than? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Cheesewhiz said:
Yet another example of amateur gunsmithing gone bad without understanding the ramifications of such an act, coupled with little to no knowledge of the workings of a gun's fire control system ..... What could possible go wrong ?????
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Deadduck said about the same thing the other day, just a bit more politely.
I have range guns and they are modified (some more than others) and the only time they are loaded is at the firing line and that's it.
I have others that are stock and those I feel very safe and secure with in a loaded state.
I have range guns and they are modified (some more than others) and the only time they are loaded is at the firing line and that's it.
I have others that are stock and those I feel very safe and secure with in a loaded state.
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Here ya go again beating up on the tweakers.revhigh said:
It's not that the guns are bad, it's just that there's never been a production gun made that can't be improved on by a good tuner.
REV You gonna tell us that none of your guns have even had a trigger job done in it?
If your scared to work on your gun or don't have any mechanical aptitude just say so. :lol:
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Do you know who should not be listened to?
A guy buys a gun, it has an issue, it doesn't go back to Ruger.
...instead it get $150 worth of parts installed, it still has the same issue.
After some bending, it gets a whole 10 rounds fired through it and is declared fixed.
It turns out, the gun, after all this has a total of 150, let me repeat 150, rounds through it.
...and it was carried loaded by this guy during all these trials and tribulations.
...and it never went back to Ruger.
A guy buys a gun, it has an issue, it doesn't go back to Ruger.
...instead it get $150 worth of parts installed, it still has the same issue.
After some bending, it gets a whole 10 rounds fired through it and is declared fixed.
It turns out, the gun, after all this has a total of 150, let me repeat 150, rounds through it.
...and it was carried loaded by this guy during all these trials and tribulations.
...and it never went back to Ruger.
jstanfield103 said:
OK ... perhaps I could have approached this in a more 'soft and fuzzy manner', and for that I apologize to jstanfield03.
The point I'm making is this ... I have no issue with modifying a gun for any kind of cosmetics ... grips, beavertails, whatever ... if you like it ... go for it. I would say that this thread is far from being about cosmetics ... it's primarily about messing with the fire-control system of a gun without knowing the ramifications of doing so. People read these threads and go out and start buying springs and polish and files.
This forum is read by a whole lot of people, and people tend to do stuff that other people say. If I came on this board and started listing reloading recipes that were above and beyond the limits that are listed in the manuals ... there's a good chance that somebody would try them. Same for modifications such as these. For that reason, I very rarely give out loads that I use, and just refer people to the reloading manuals. I may give the powder I use or the portion of the data I use ... for example ... full house 2400 loads .... but I rarely give out exact load data. If something happened after I gave out over the top load data ... I have no doubt that I could be held responsible, and most likely the site could be held responsible in today's litigious society.
The points listed above from your previous post kind of indicate that you really don't know what you're getting into as admiitted by yourself .... in that several of the conclusions that you came to in order to resolve the problem(s) admittedly 'DIDN'T WORK'. You were guessing at solutions. The fact that you have 150 successful rounds (or however many) DOES NOT MEAN YOU RESOLVED THE PROBLEM(s). You tried to fix a problem with 'light strikes' that your gun may not have even had. You called the manufacturer and THEY TOLD YOU TO SEND THE GUN BACK. What more do you need to hear ?
You wanted your gun to eat any type of ammo, and I completely and totally agree with that .... if it wouldn't ... Ruger would fix it until it did ... they TOLD YOU THEY WOULD. Did your gun even HAVE this problem ?
Just being able to disassemble and reassemble a gun successfully does not mean that you have the mechanical aptitude to work on the fire control group of a deadly weapon. Almost anybody could probably do that. I completely agree that someone without mechanical skills shouldn't get in above their heads when working on a given machine.
I don't work on ANY gun that I own for one main reason .... LIABILITY. I am not a licensed gunsmith ... are you ? I am not a licensed manufacturer of firearms ... are you ? Gunsmiths are licensed and have very expensive insurance policies for liability reasons. Do you have such insurance ? I'd guess NO to the above 3 questions.
I'm sorry jstanfield, but a lot of the things you say in this thread are completely inconsistent with ANY firearms instructor that I have EVER been taught by. EVERY SINGLE firearms instructor who taught me sure as hell wanted me to be concerned about being in a shooting incident. They emphasized over and over that you should not carry a gun that has been modified from factory stock ... or if it was ... it should be modified with factory authorized parts installed by the factory or a licensed gunsmith. Some even said not to use anything but factory ammo (which I'm also a proponent of). I have never had or spoken to any firearms instructor who spoke so cavalierly about amateur gunsmithing on a carry gun, or who made a statement such as yours when you stated that 'I'm not concerned about getting into a shooting incident'.
If you choose to tinker with the fire control systems of your weapons ... go right ahead, but I think it's irresponsible to do so on a site where others could take your advice and have bad things happen. Posting something on the internet is potentially a 'forever thing' .... you really have to be careful what you post ... if someone reads your posts, goes and does that thing you're suggesting, and has a problem .... you are going to get sued (or at the very least brought in on any lawsuit that may ensue) in these litigious times.
Again ... I'm sorry if I criticized you too strongly or harshly, but these are very important issues, and to suggest that anyone who is capable of mechancially modifying a weapon do so ... ESPECIALLY in a carry gun .... without knowing the ramifications of such actions .... is simply not the right thing to do. Ruger pays their gun designers BIG BUCKS to COMPLETELY understand all the intricacies of their fire control systems, and be sure that they are totally safe, and they carry massive insurance policies backing them up in these endevors. If they produce a product that suffers from light strikes, trigger reset issues, or the inability to function with certain types of ammo, they'll resolve all those issues for you for free .... and you'll STILL have a factory warranted and backed gun with all those big insurance policies behind you .... all for free.
What's not to like about that ?
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Sal1950 said:
Trust me Sal ... fear has nothing to do with it ... unless you mean fear of having an unsafe gun or being involved in a gigantic lawsuit. If I'm involved in a shooting incident OR accident ... I want all the deep-pocketed insurance policies of my LICENSED gunsmith or factory behind me.
Truth be told though ... when I buy a gun it's usually because I like the gun as is .... I don't buy guns with bad triggers hoping I can make them better. Prior to buying a gun ... I extensively test the triggers. I've NOT bought guns that I really liked just BECAUSE they had triggers that I didn't like, knowing that the extra money that I'd have to spend on a qualified gunsmith to make the repairs would make the gun 'not worth it'.
I've also had a few new Rugers that needed to go back to the factory for some work, and in all cases Ruger did a great job and went above and beyond the call in resolving the issues. Hell ... they even pay for postage BOTH ways ... thereby eliminating any complaints from customers about excessive costs being involved ... or ANY excuses from customers for NOT letting the factory handle things.
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RobbyRotten said:
For a real good read, and an eye-opening experience .... read Massad Ayoob's ... 'In the Gravest Extreme' or 'Stress Fire'. It is an awesome book and relates many incidents and reasons as to why modifications such as the ones we're discussing are a very real danger.
After reading that book ... many people decide NEVER to carry a weapon at all. The absolute WORST thing that can happen in your life is to have to draw your weapon in anger for any reason .... and to talk about that lightly is not to give the subject the intense thought that it deserves.
Please .... read that book. If you carry or are considering carrying, you owe it to yourself to be informed.
The one thing Mas mentions time and again is this scary thought ....
'The moment you use your gun (to kill) in self defense (whether you kill or not) ..... the entire justice system changes from trying to protect you .... to trying to convict you'. Or something very similar to that ....
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"Understanding the circumstances where one is legally justified in the use of deadly force is very confusing given the myths surrounding this subject matter and also the vast sea of convoluted laws that govern its use. This is a very complex, somber, and unpleasant subject that many prefer to avoid all together. Unfortunately though, by not knowing the rules of engagement, many individuals including police officers and law-abiding citizens find themselves being prosecuted for actions that they believed to be reasonable, just, and within the confines of the law. One way to avoid such a predicament is to just avoid self-defense altogether. The best way however, is to become knowledgeable in the intricate inner workings of the legal system with regard to self-defense."
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revhigh said:Sal1950 said:
Trust me Sal ... fear has nothing to do with it ... unless you mean fear of having an unsafe gun or being involved in a gigantic lawsuit. If I'm involved in a shooting incident OR accident ... I want all the deep-pocketed insurance policies of my LICENSED gunsmith or factory behind me.
Truth be told though ... when I buy a gun it's usually because I like the gun as is .... I don't buy guns with bad triggers hoping I can make them better. Prior to buying a gun ... I extensively test the triggers. I've NOT bought guns that I really liked just BECAUSE they had triggers that I didn't like, knowing that the extra money that I'd have to spend on a qualified gunsmith to make the repairs would make the gun 'not worth it'.
I've also had a few new Rugers that needed to go back to the factory for some work, and in all cases Ruger did a great job and went above and beyond the call in resolving the issues. Hell ... they even pay for postage BOTH ways ... thereby eliminating any complaints from customers about excessive costs being involved ... or ANY excuses from customers for NOT letting the factory handle things.
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We do take an apples and oranges approach to our weapons. When I'm looking to add a weapon to my collection besides trying to get some hands on time with a rental or at least fondling at the LGS, I'll comb the internet to see what kinds of problems users are finding, and what guys are doing to improve the gun. You do have to be able to separate the BS from the gold but it is there. Like for Rugers there is Iowegan, the gunsmithing info he shares with others is first class and invaluable. We also have our own jhearne (Josh) here who's hard work, investigation and sharing of knowledge, has helped many SR owners to tune their SR's to a level that satisfied them.
Case in point is a used GP100 I picked up off Gunbroker recently. Before it even got here I had Wolff springs, new grips, HIVIZ sights, my trusty Dremel & polishing compound, and Iowegans IBOK for reference, waiting for it's arrival. What I received is exactly what I expected in a box stock GP, what I went to the range with on its first outing was a smooth as glass, clean breaking jewel. I know how I set it up and I wouldn't trust it not to light strike with most factory ammo, but with my Federal primed handloads I'd trust my life it will go bang when I pull the trigger. But in any case it's not my CCW.
Guess if I had the BIG bucks to buy all my weapons from, or have them tuned by, the best custom builders I'd be satisfied with "off the shelve", but I don't have thousands to spend on each gun like that. And then I wouldn't have the satisfaction of doing a "job well done" myself.
As to your points on the legal stuff, your mostly right but the decision on what to do or not do on a carry gun belongs in the hands of the owner and should not be dictated on this site. IMHO if you feel compelled to say something a short warning on the possible legal backlash would suffice. Or you could write up the full details of your feelings and put them up as a new post. Then just post a link to your tutorial when threads like this come up. Maybe a mod would sticky it.
My final comment is more to the original intent of this thread. As a 40 year Ruger guy and the owner of a SR9c I must say I'm a little disappointed in the factories recent output of poly semi-autos. Since their release the SR series have been plagued with light strike and trigger reset issues and now it's looks like the LC9 suffers from some similar light strike issues. After numerous revisions on the SR9 series the problems seem to remain, while most run just fine some continue to have issues even after a trip or two back to the factory, as can be read here. There is a variability at work here that Ruger should have totally solved a long time ago but they still don't seem to have a handle on it. So that is why others may have lost faith in Ruger and are looking for answers to these problems themselves. Could it be that the variable lies in the angle of the tab on the trigger reset bars, which are nothing more than cheap sheet metal stampings? Yea it's possible enough to warrant further testing and discussion. My SR9c is down in FL right now but when I get there in a couple weeks I've got a few tests I'd like to run myself when the time is available.
Best Regards,
Sal
RobbyRotten said:
Actually ... jstanfield did just that in his first post.
Unfortunately ... a disclaimer like the one stated would hold up about as well as most pre-marital agreements. It is not a legal document, and a person could easily say they didn't read it ...
You need to be VERY careful in this day and age as to what can be attributed to you ... especially on the internet .... what you type can easily be 'forever' .... and 'forever' never forgets .... especially in a courtroom.
Please check out those books and get back to me as to what your thoughts are if you care to .... they are VERY scary reads. So many people go into concealed carry having NO IDEA of the implications of doing so ... states vary ... cities vary ... and towns vary. Get into an otherwise righteous shoot in an anti gun city or town, where the prosecutor is against guns ... and righteous or not ... you'll be defending yourself against prosecution .... another town ?? they might not even charge you with anything. Either way .... most likely you WILL be sued by the perps estate .... just because they can ..... according to Mas ... a typical defense against such prosecution or defending yourself against a civil suit will likely cost you $100,000.
Now ... do you REALLY want to potentially stack the deck against yourself by giving the other attorney ammunition by carrying a gun that was modified by 'little old you' .... against all factory recommendations ????
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