Squib
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Bad Barlow
Blackhawk
The squib is not the scary part, it's the next round!
Seriously,a squib should be quite evident, report and recoil obviously not normal.
Stop shooting, push the bullet back down the bore with a brass "squib rod" and be glad you weren't shooting rapid fire.
It happens fairly often with reloads, often enough to be cautious about.
mxer
Bearcat
The only squib reloads are the work of those who should NOT be reloading.
Thanks for your reply
Bad Barlow
Blackhawk
True, but they do it anyway!
mxer
Bearcat
My rules…
My reloads only in my guns.
I NEVER put other’s reloads in my guns.
After 40 years of loading my own (.38 special to .44 Magnum to 45-70), I have never had a squib.
My reloads only in my guns.
I NEVER put other’s reloads in my guns.
After 40 years of loading my own (.38 special to .44 Magnum to 45-70), I have never had a squib.
beentheredone
Single-Sixer
In factory ammo -- very rare. In handloaded ammo -- depends on who loaded it.
Years ago I dropped two fully loaded magazines for my Sig P230 in the lake at the dock beside our boat. Took me about 30 minutes to get suited up and drop down the 30ft and retrieve them.... then the next week I decided to try out that ammo. The factory reloads from Georgia Arms would not fire... the rounds from Seller and Belliet (sp?) would but they were all squip loads... this was back before cellphones had cameras and I missed the opportunity for a great picture... one of the squib load rounds was actually sticking halfway out the end of the barrel of the pistol.
I have a piece of 1/4" diameter fiberglass rod in my range bag just in case....
I have a piece of 1/4" diameter fiberglass rod in my range bag just in case....
Standard procedure for FTF, Squib or hangfire is Stop Immediately, Keep firearm pointed down range for a minute or so, Clear the action, check for barrel obstruction, If obstructed drive the bullet out of the barrel and evaluate ammo.
And The Ones On Here Who Say They Listed To Music Or Watch T V. Niether Goes With RELOADING.
I don't reload, only use factory ammo. I have never had a squib in all my years of shooting, including 24 years in the U.S. Army. I don't recall ever having a center fire dud, but I can't be sure about that. 22LR duds are pretty common, but that is not the same as a squib.
I haven't experienced a 'squib' but just last week, I encountered a round with no powder. Fortunately, the primer didn't force the bullet out of the case.
I buy 'factory culls' from a guy who's in the business of gathering such things up and reselling them for components. I have no idea how many good rounds the bad rounds are sorted from but during the pull down process, I find a LOT of short loaded rounds. Probably enough powder to 'squib' a bullet into the rifling. I'm a bit less concerned about the short loads than I am about where the extra half charge of powder went--like maybe into the next round.
I buy 'factory culls' from a guy who's in the business of gathering such things up and reselling them for components. I have no idea how many good rounds the bad rounds are sorted from but during the pull down process, I find a LOT of short loaded rounds. Probably enough powder to 'squib' a bullet into the rifling. I'm a bit less concerned about the short loads than I am about where the extra half charge of powder went--like maybe into the next round.
ThanksI haven't experienced a 'squib' but just last week, I encountered a round with no powder. Fortunately, the primer didn't force the bullet out of the case.
I buy 'factory culls' from a guy who's in the business of gathering such things up and reselling them for components. I have no idea how many good rounds the bad rounds are sorted from but during the pull down process, I find a LOT of short loaded rounds. Probably enough powder to 'squib' a bullet into the rifling. I'm a bit less concerned about the short loads than I am about where the extra half charge of powder went--like maybe into the next round.
bykerhd
Single-Sixer
Years ago I saw a squib in a Ruger Super Blackhawk.
Factory Remington .44 Magnum 240 grain lead loads.
Slug was 1/2 way up the barrel, cartridge case looked nearly virgin. No powder charge.
One in a million, but it does happen.
Nobody hurt, we pushed the bullet back out of the barrel with a cleaning rod.
Could have been bad.
Factory Remington .44 Magnum 240 grain lead loads.
Slug was 1/2 way up the barrel, cartridge case looked nearly virgin. No powder charge.
One in a million, but it does happen.
Nobody hurt, we pushed the bullet back out of the barrel with a cleaning rod.
Could have been bad.
Thanks
Not a squib, but don't know what to call it.
I was shooting at a range and fired a round that sounded and felt just like a squib. I was shooting a G17 and the slide wouldn't budge no matter how hard I pulled.
I was able to pull the slide lock with some difficulty and remove the slide from the frame. The barrel was still jammed and I couldn't remove it from the slide. I could see a gap about <1/16" between the case head and the breach face and the extractor claw had gouged the rim and was lodged about about half way into the edge of the case rim. I believe that this caused a lot of friction between the primer and the breach face preventing the barrel from unlocking from the slide.
I ended up putting the slide in a vice and using a dowel to drive the barrel down and it came away from the frame. The cartridge came out of the chamber and still had the bullet in the original position. I checked the extractor and firing pin. Everything looked fine so I reassembled the gun and kept shooting.
A few weeks later I posted about it and someone said that it sounded like a case with no flash hole and that he had heard that there had been several lately.
I had kept the round as a souvenir of sorts, so I put it in the bullet puller, knocked the round out and found that it had a powder charge, and also no flash hole as suggested.
I hope to never have anything like that happen with premium self defense rounds because if it had happened in that scenario the only backup would have been a second gun.
As far as squibs go, I inherited a Colt Model 1903 from my Dad. While cleaning it, I noticed a bulge in the barrel and asked him about it. He thought I did something to it, but I just noticed it when I got back from shooting it. Years later he told me about a time when he and a friend were shooting some old ammo out of it and and had a round where the bullet got stuck in the barrel. They didn't have anything to push it out with so my Dad was going to take it home to take care of it. His friend said, "I can get it out." He took the gun from him, loaded a round and fired it. It cleared the barrel and they kept on shooting it. I told him that was what bulged the barrel and they were lucky nothing worse happened. He didn't know much about firearms and only had the gun because it was found after his father died.
Lucky for me, US Armament re-released the Model 1903 in 2015 and new parts were available. I purchased some springs and a new barrel and it is good as new... at least for a 108 year old gun.
I was shooting at a range and fired a round that sounded and felt just like a squib. I was shooting a G17 and the slide wouldn't budge no matter how hard I pulled.
I was able to pull the slide lock with some difficulty and remove the slide from the frame. The barrel was still jammed and I couldn't remove it from the slide. I could see a gap about <1/16" between the case head and the breach face and the extractor claw had gouged the rim and was lodged about about half way into the edge of the case rim. I believe that this caused a lot of friction between the primer and the breach face preventing the barrel from unlocking from the slide.
I ended up putting the slide in a vice and using a dowel to drive the barrel down and it came away from the frame. The cartridge came out of the chamber and still had the bullet in the original position. I checked the extractor and firing pin. Everything looked fine so I reassembled the gun and kept shooting.
A few weeks later I posted about it and someone said that it sounded like a case with no flash hole and that he had heard that there had been several lately.
I had kept the round as a souvenir of sorts, so I put it in the bullet puller, knocked the round out and found that it had a powder charge, and also no flash hole as suggested.
I hope to never have anything like that happen with premium self defense rounds because if it had happened in that scenario the only backup would have been a second gun.
As far as squibs go, I inherited a Colt Model 1903 from my Dad. While cleaning it, I noticed a bulge in the barrel and asked him about it. He thought I did something to it, but I just noticed it when I got back from shooting it. Years later he told me about a time when he and a friend were shooting some old ammo out of it and and had a round where the bullet got stuck in the barrel. They didn't have anything to push it out with so my Dad was going to take it home to take care of it. His friend said, "I can get it out." He took the gun from him, loaded a round and fired it. It cleared the barrel and they kept on shooting it. I told him that was what bulged the barrel and they were lucky nothing worse happened. He didn't know much about firearms and only had the gun because it was found after his father died.
Lucky for me, US Armament re-released the Model 1903 in 2015 and new parts were available. I purchased some springs and a new barrel and it is good as new... at least for a 108 year old gun.
Pál_K
Guns. I has it.
Regardless of whatever ammo, whatever firearm (yours or a friend's), the guidelines are:
If it doesn't sound right or doesn't feel right in recoil - stop immediately. Don't fire again until you've checked that the barrel is clear - and don't check from the muzzle end!
If it doesn't sound right or doesn't feel right in recoil - stop immediately. Don't fire again until you've checked that the barrel is clear - and don't check from the muzzle end!
"A few weeks later I posted about it and someone said that it sounded like a case with no flash hole and that he had heard that there had been several lately."
I have a virgin Hornady 6.5Creedmoor case on the shelf above my loading bench. There is no flash hole. OOPS at least it didn't make it through the loading process.
I have a virgin Hornady 6.5Creedmoor case on the shelf above my loading bench. There is no flash hole. OOPS at least it didn't make it through the loading process.
I presume this "flash hole in the case" y'all are talking about is in the primer? These are just terms I've never heard of... I don't reload.
I appreciate your reply and I enjoyed reading your account
Thanks
I encountered one once. I had went to see a friend & we had been shooting on his rifle range with his neighbor, the neighbor's wife & one of my daughters. I said something about handguns & the neighbor took off & then returned with the back of his ATV full of handguns for us to shoot. Pretty cool. I got to shoot his new Colt Python, a 38 super & 45 acp Colt Gold Cup, Belgian made Browning High Power & his 9mm race gun that had been custom built on a Caspian frame. When I was shooting the .38 super Gold Cup we had a squib. He said he had been teaching someone to reload & had let them load some rounds for it. It was caught before it was a problem but could have been bad. I have never encountered one with factory ammo.
rammerjammer
Blackhawk
I've recently had two squibs from the same lot of Federal Champion target 22 ammo. 2 stuck in the barrel but also have had multiple rounds with little to no report that the bullets left the barrel but didn't hit the target. Needless to say I'm not shooting any more of the ammo from that lot.
Two weeks in amd Federal still hasn't called me back though they said they'd be right on it.
Two weeks in amd Federal still hasn't called me back though they said they'd be right on it.
'I presume this "flash hole in the case" y'all are talking about is in the primer?'
Correct. The 'flash hole' (between primer pocket and case interior) is where primer flash passes into the powder charge.
Correct. The 'flash hole' (between primer pocket and case interior) is where primer flash passes into the powder charge.
The flash hole is supposed to be in the case between the primer pocket and the main side where the powder is. You can also see that the primer and case were being pushed apart with enough force to partially press the case past the chamber into the barrel (see below). You can also see where the extractor deformed the case rim.
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kean57
Single-Sixer
Actually, the flash hole is part of the case, not part of the primer.
"Actually, the flash hole is part of the case, not part of the primer."
Isn't that what I said?
Isn't that what I said?
