SP101 in 40 S&W possible?

Timbo23

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I would love to see the SP101 in 40 S&W just like the half lug 3 inch barreled adjustable sight models I have been seeing. Is such a thing possible or desirable?
I have a SP101 in 9mm and a 40 S&W cartridge will fit (at least the bullet part will) into the rear of the cylinder up to the case mouth. That's because the 9mm is tapered cartridge and bit bigger at the primer end.
It WILL NOT go any farther and I have not tried to force it. Just seeing how much the chamber would need to be opened. It would only have to be bored out a half millimeter each direction to increase it from 9 to 10mm. Not much at all I would think.
I'm not a gunsmith, or a metallurgist, nor have I ever been accused of being very smart. I'm just asking the question.
 
Possible? Hell yes, money will fix anything.
Desirable? Oh goodness no. And for two reasons. The 40 cal popularity is close to zero these days and it’s a semiauto cartridge in a wheel gun.
There’ll surely be some ga ga over it though but, a scant few.
 
I'm skeptical it could be done without significant frame modification and some sort of custom oversize cylinder.

I measured a sample of one 9mm SP-101 and got ~.0545 for the wall thickness at the back of the cylinder and .510 for the diameter of the barrel shank. The .40 chamber would require an additional ~.030 diameter expansion, reducing the wall to ~.040, ignoring possible issues with the cylinder notches (which are not fully offset on the SP-101). Forcing cone wall thickness would be at most .055, ignoring any taper. I don't think either of those dimensions are conducive to 35ksi .40 S&W loads.

Interesting question though. I know the GP-100 forcing cone/barrel thread was modified by Ruger for 10mm variants, so there might be a viable technical solution out there already.
 
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I wonder if Gemini Customs does caliber conversions. Always amazed at how many havent heard of them and they do beautiful work on double actions.
 
These kinds of discussions are often comical to me.
Why you ask?

Well, just because somebody "wants" something,, or "thinks it'll fit" or feels their idea is "great" usually doesn't take into account a lot of variables.

Cost. That's a biggie. It can be the driving factor in all the reasons "stuff" isn't done.
Sometimes something can be done,, but since it's not a mainstream idea,, manufacturers who mass produce something just won't do it because of the costs involved. So,, a custom job is required. and just because a person thinks their idea is great,, doesn't mean enough people feel the same way to justify the costs to a manufacturer.

Thinks it'll fit.
Just taking measurements,, and saying; "It'll fit with just a little work" fails to understand the physics of the "why it's not often done."
Yes,, many times it can be done,, but a manufacturer has to look beyond the costs involved, (remember, they have to heavily invest in something & demand a return on their investment to stay in business.) They have to look at the potential legal issues that could happen. Remember that there are a lot of "Bubba's" out there that think a reloading manual is a guideline & can be exceeded or even ignored. A lawyer once told me to try & consider the absolute worst case scenario of a dumb-*** person who does things they shouldn't,, ignoring all the known data & facts,, and gets injured. They will be the first person to sue whomever they can,, even when they were the idiot who screwed up.

Think I'm wrong here?
We have the stupid warning billboard on Ruger firearms because Bill lost a lawsuit against his company when an idiot failed to read the manual,, & not carry a fully loaded cylinder,, as well as 100 years of history to not keep a live round under the hammer. The judge agreed saying that Bill knew he had a defective product because he had built the "New Model" with the safety transfer bar system.
Or how about the people who took the .357 Maximum and instead of following the loading manuals,, or using just factory ammo,, started using very light bullets,, and hotter, faster burning powders? Then they complained about top strap flame cutting,, and Bill stopped production, and scrapped about 5000 guns.

We no longer live in a world like Elmer Keith did. Elmer wanted a more powerful handgun,, and worked to get us the .44 magnum. Yet,,many choose to ignore or just dismiss the fact that Elmer blew guns up. He had more than one gun destroyed because of his "testing"! Nowadays,, we have equipment that can test the strength of materials,, the PHYSICS of how something works,, and so many other things that the type of pioneering that Elmer did is no longer the route to try.

So,, just because something may seem to fit,, or a person desires a certain combination of features or whatever,, there is a lot more to consider than just; "Gee I wish I had,,,,,,,,,,,,,,!"

Heck,, just look at what happens when Ruger does introduce something new. One of the first things I see is either somebody says; "I like it but I wish they had built it ,,,,,,,,,,, and then I would buy one." Or they buy something & immediately start modifying it to fit what they want. A mass manufacturer can not justify all the sub variations people want. All they can do is try & produce something that can satisfy the masses,, and sell more than enough to make a profit. But they also have to heed the warnings of the potential lawsuits by the lawyers, & watch out for the Bubba's!
 

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