VA Shooter
Single-Sixer
I'm thinking about getting a single ten I have a single six and love it and I want to put a scope on it I just wanted the Ten for plinking with open sights how do you all like the Single Ten thanks
Single Ten
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Ruger Guru
The few I've handled & shot were nice. It's kinda fun when around a "gun guy" and you fire it more than 6 times.I like to smile & say; "I got me a hollywierd special here!"
STPETEJOE
Bearcat
Love mine bought it for my Grandson,but I seem to keep stealing it from him..
Jayhawkhuntclub
Buckeye
You'd be better off keeping your current single 6 open sighted and then getting a Hunter and putting a scope on it, IMHO. I don't care for 10 shot revolvers.
JBL13
Bearcat
I have a Single Ten and a Single Six. I really enjoy both. The Ten is probably more fun for me to plink with because of its greater capacity.
m657
Buckeye
I prefer my Single 10 due in part to factory fiber optic sights. So far though, in a side -by-side test same ammo, same target, same day......my antique M17 8 3/8" S&W groups better....even though it's harder to for me to see the front sight.
I've put under 1000 rounds thru it. It continues to smooth itself up bit by bit. While it points good for me, the balance doesn't make it 'hang' as easily, and I get the sensation I pull it off POA sometimes. In sand-bagged position, I still get better groups out to 50' with the M17, just F Y I. I shoot better with muzzle-heavy pistols.
Compare Single 10/Single 6 I no longer have, I prefer the Single 10.
I've put under 1000 rounds thru it. It continues to smooth itself up bit by bit. While it points good for me, the balance doesn't make it 'hang' as easily, and I get the sensation I pull it off POA sometimes. In sand-bagged position, I still get better groups out to 50' with the M17, just F Y I. I shoot better with muzzle-heavy pistols.
Compare Single 10/Single 6 I no longer have, I prefer the Single 10.
RugerHound
Hunter
I love the Single 10! It's a good shooter and it burns up twice the ammo! (I only load 5 chambers, even on new models)
TiteGroups
Blackhawk
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Who'd ever buy a ten shot sixgun.
Gussers
Single-Sixer
I want one to use for the local clubs ".22 Games" that they have every Friday night in the winter. I think it would be great fun and something different from the barage of 22/45's and Smith 41's that show up every week. Now I just have to find a "deal" on one.
JBL13
Bearcat
TiteGroups said:
Yeah, it's not an authentic sixgun unless it has adjustable fiber optic sights, is chambered in .22 Long Rifle, and has only six holes. lol
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TiteGroups said:
Not me. I like 6 shot revolvers. But to each his own! If it is what you want buy it! I'm sure you will love it. Ed
BIGGUY
Bearcat
I picked up a blued Lipsey's model with a 4 5/8" barrel about 3 weeks ago and love it. Shoots nice. First time I have ever used the fiber optic sights and they are nice for my old eyes. I'm thinking of adding some to the .357 Blackhawk that I picked up at the same time as I have a problem seeing the front sight on it.
mattsbox99
Hunter
TiteGroups said:
Some you don't even have to pull the hammer back, it does it on its own automagically.
VAdoublegunner
Single-Sixer
I didn't like the one I had. I sold it for what I had in it after working with it for about 3 weeks.
Here were some of the issues.
First, the fiber optic sights were difficult to see to get a clear sight picture. They tended to "flare" in varying light conditions, e.g. if it was bright they sometimes were too bright if you were in a shaded area shooting into a sunny area. I never felt I was getting a good sight picture eventhough physically the rear and front sight looked pretty good for getting one. I should have tried blacking the light points. I did change out the front sight with a standard one, but it didn't help much.
Second, the chambers were too tight, especially for some ammo. It took a lot of thumb force to get them seat properly. And if you didn't, cylinder binding was horrendous. You know how difficult it is to rotate a cylinder on a Single Six with one casehead high....imagine that with 2 or 3! Having to take excessive measures to make sure normal ammo was seated properly after the first cylinder or two was fired was just too much trouble. Some ammo worked well, but other brands were difficult even starting with a clean cylinder.
Which lead to a 3rd problem, that the pawl-ratchet relation seemed a little fragile considering the possibility of any cylinder rotation binding. I noticed that the edge of the ratchet was quite rough after a while of shooting because the pawl had deformed it.
Extraction was generally easy, but indexing it was a pain sometimes because if you missed a charge hole, rotating it around again required effort to find the right spot.
The primary issue was inconsistent accuracy. I had read many reports of excellent accuracy, and being very pleased with my Single Sixes, some of which like the Bisley are very accurate, thought a Single Ten would be worth a try.
I have never seen a revolver before that behaved like this one for accuracy results. After the usual fun of trying various brands of 22 LR, knowing how ammo finicky any 22 can be and being well acquainted with the process of finding the optimum, I found that several "favorite" types of ammo may shoot well for one or two cylinders, then poorly for the next 3, then good again, etc. I would also get occasional flyers even with better grouping ammo. I have several targets where I got around a 1" 10-shot group at 20 yards, then 3 at 2-3", then back to 1". No consistency whatsoever. Even one where I got a decent 10 shot group of 1" then the next 3 cylinders shot on the target above it went into about 3-4". I thought perhaps it was the sights, but changing out the front sight did not help. Perhaps the thing had a bent base pin or something and it shot well when rotated just so. Or it was an issue with a couple of the charge holes being slightly misaligned or out of round, but there was no indication of leading either in the bore or on the cylinder face like one might expect with that.
So, having had such a remarkably good experience with another recently purchased Sports South exclusive 4" SS MKIII Standard Pistol, I figured the Single Ten was a Monday morning lemon and I'd let someone else figure it out or send it back to Ruger so they could. Having also had a bad experience with a S&W Model 17-8 with the silly alloy 10-shot cylinder, which I sent back to the Performance Center to be refit with a 6-shot SS one (and this one turned out great, I might add!) I think I will stay away from ten shooter revolvers from now on.
Here were some of the issues.
First, the fiber optic sights were difficult to see to get a clear sight picture. They tended to "flare" in varying light conditions, e.g. if it was bright they sometimes were too bright if you were in a shaded area shooting into a sunny area. I never felt I was getting a good sight picture eventhough physically the rear and front sight looked pretty good for getting one. I should have tried blacking the light points. I did change out the front sight with a standard one, but it didn't help much.
Second, the chambers were too tight, especially for some ammo. It took a lot of thumb force to get them seat properly. And if you didn't, cylinder binding was horrendous. You know how difficult it is to rotate a cylinder on a Single Six with one casehead high....imagine that with 2 or 3! Having to take excessive measures to make sure normal ammo was seated properly after the first cylinder or two was fired was just too much trouble. Some ammo worked well, but other brands were difficult even starting with a clean cylinder.
Which lead to a 3rd problem, that the pawl-ratchet relation seemed a little fragile considering the possibility of any cylinder rotation binding. I noticed that the edge of the ratchet was quite rough after a while of shooting because the pawl had deformed it.
Extraction was generally easy, but indexing it was a pain sometimes because if you missed a charge hole, rotating it around again required effort to find the right spot.
The primary issue was inconsistent accuracy. I had read many reports of excellent accuracy, and being very pleased with my Single Sixes, some of which like the Bisley are very accurate, thought a Single Ten would be worth a try.
I have never seen a revolver before that behaved like this one for accuracy results. After the usual fun of trying various brands of 22 LR, knowing how ammo finicky any 22 can be and being well acquainted with the process of finding the optimum, I found that several "favorite" types of ammo may shoot well for one or two cylinders, then poorly for the next 3, then good again, etc. I would also get occasional flyers even with better grouping ammo. I have several targets where I got around a 1" 10-shot group at 20 yards, then 3 at 2-3", then back to 1". No consistency whatsoever. Even one where I got a decent 10 shot group of 1" then the next 3 cylinders shot on the target above it went into about 3-4". I thought perhaps it was the sights, but changing out the front sight did not help. Perhaps the thing had a bent base pin or something and it shot well when rotated just so. Or it was an issue with a couple of the charge holes being slightly misaligned or out of round, but there was no indication of leading either in the bore or on the cylinder face like one might expect with that.
So, having had such a remarkably good experience with another recently purchased Sports South exclusive 4" SS MKIII Standard Pistol, I figured the Single Ten was a Monday morning lemon and I'd let someone else figure it out or send it back to Ruger so they could. Having also had a bad experience with a S&W Model 17-8 with the silly alloy 10-shot cylinder, which I sent back to the Performance Center to be refit with a 6-shot SS one (and this one turned out great, I might add!) I think I will stay away from ten shooter revolvers from now on.
tmullanejr
Bearcat
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TiteGroups said:
Those of us who can not afford one of the older and collectible Single Six revolvers that only held 6 rounds...
I will not buy a SS Convertible... I don't need the 22mag and I don't want a bbl that is half way between a 22lr and a 22mag and not set up properly for either caliber...
VAdoublegunner
Single-Sixer
The Single Ten has the same barrel as the Single Sixes.
tmullanejr
Bearcat
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VAdoublegunner said:
Yes it does, but not the same barrel as the SS Convertible....
m657
Buckeye
VAdg: sorry to hear of your difficulty...that hasn't been my experience at all.
While I haven't taken the time yet to get to charting the grouping of individual chambers, you've given some good points to be looking for to determine whether I have a problem or not.
While I like the configuration of the Single 10 and the fiber sights do very good my my own geezer eye issues, the balance is not quite right for me.
I shoot a muzzle-heavy configuration better, and will be taping some weight to the front part soon to give a few trials that way.
So far the parts are only getting slicker and easier to use. I see no erosion as you found.
I'm at around 800 rounds.
While I haven't taken the time yet to get to charting the grouping of individual chambers, you've given some good points to be looking for to determine whether I have a problem or not.
While I like the configuration of the Single 10 and the fiber sights do very good my my own geezer eye issues, the balance is not quite right for me.
I shoot a muzzle-heavy configuration better, and will be taping some weight to the front part soon to give a few trials that way.
So far the parts are only getting slicker and easier to use. I see no erosion as you found.
I'm at around 800 rounds.
