Shooter friendly pistol range

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If I was going to open a pistol range, here a few of the rules I would change, or do away with.

Allow all calibers of pistol ammo. (Use 1/2 " steel plate for backstops)
Set aside two lanes for steel cased ammo.
Shooters using steel cased ammo, sweep up their casings and dispose of same.
Set aside one lane for rapid fire.
Strictly enforced safety rules. (1 violation, shooter is banned from range)
No "fast draw". (No exceptions)!
Discount for suppressed firearms.
Full automatic allowed one day per week.
What say Members? Ideas?
Blackie
 
Why only one lane for rapid fire? And why separate lanes for steel cased stuff? I don't really like rapid fire, especially the clod who runs out fifteen rounds with bullets flying from floor to ceiling.

I'm assuming this is indoor range? How many lanes? I'd suggest minimum of thirty six, and separate room for instructional use.

At the range where i shoot, drawing from the holster and firing is permitted for those who have completed advanced courses offered by the range. They do have partitions between firing points of Lexan or similar protective barriers that does not interfere with vision.

Also maybe some provision for black powder shooters?

Bob Wright
 
A bit off topic...but myself, I'd be tickled pink just to have somewhere to go that would allow me to shoot my rifle while standing/kneeling/sitting/prone.

I mean really, what is it with public shooting ranges and their fascination with requiring everyone to sit at a bench and fire off of sandbags?...or for that matter, what's the fascination on the part of the shooters whom they are exclusively catering to?...
I don't get it, it's like almost nobody has the slightest interest in actually learning/knowing how to shoot any more.

As far as pistol shooting goes, I can do that in my back yard for free...but just in passing, I wouldn't shoot a pistol anywhere that was using 1/2 steel pates for a backstop.

DGW
 
DGW1949 said:

As far as pistol shooting goes, I can do that in my back yard for free...but just in passing, I wouldn't shoot a pistol anywhere that was using 1/2 steel pates for a backstop.

And why not? Even if the plates are set at 90 degrees, the bullets tend to liquefy upon impact and splatter in a rather harmless spray. The spray is fine enough that travel poses no harm except at very close range. I have observed jacketed bullets in which the lead nearly vaporized and the jacket material was flattened into a disc.

Ideally the backstop is set at about 45 degree angle so the bullet is deflected straight down and into sand or some type of mulch. Indoor ranges usually have a cyclone type of bullet trap.

Available to architects are several plans for safe backstops for designing safe ranges, both indoor and outdoor.

Bob Wright
 
Because I've had hard cast bullets bounce off of (steel) CAS targets and head back in my direction, one of which hit the sole/heal interface of my boot so hard that it fully buried itself into the juncture. Had it struck a little higher up, it could have just as easily broke my ankle.
Plus, in different but similar incidents...I've had .38-wad cutters bounce off of hard wood. On one occasion, it happened while I was shooting cans off of an oak tree stump and the bullet came back and hit me in the stomach...so no, no more hard backstops for me...much prefer a big dirt mound.

"Once bitten-twice shy" I guess.

DGW
 
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Bob Wright said:
Why only one lane for rapid fire? And why separate lanes for steel cased stuff? I don't really like rapid fire, especially the clod who runs out fifteen rounds with bullets flying from floor to ceiling.

I'm assuming this is indoor range? How many lanes? I'd suggest minimum of thirty six, and separate room for instructional use.

At the range where i shoot, drawing from the holster and firing is permitted for those who have completed advanced courses offered by the range. They do have partitions between firing points of Lexan or similar protective barriers that does not interfere with vision.

Also maybe some provision for black powder shooters?

Bob Wright

Bob,
Believe me, it I had such a range, the "Clods" would be banned.
One lane at the far end for rapid fire.
Have you ever tried to separate the steel from the brass. Many ranges collect the brass, and this is the
reason they don't want steel casing ammo on their range. Winchester USA Forged, is the steel casing
ammo I use. It is clean, inexpensive and my 9's love it.
Blackie
 
Their property, their investment-their rules. One long gone range I used to shoot on had "The Stick"-an extension that you could fasten to the target holder that lowered the target so you could fire prone.
 
I own an outdoor range. While it is not open to the public,,, it is open one day a month for a USPSA Level I match. I have 7 pistol bays,,, with one of those doubling for my 100 yd rifle bay when I wish & can close the rest of the bays.

Hard steel,, 1/2" or even thicker can be used as a deflector plate,, but NOT a good bullet "stopper." When bullets hit steel,, they fragment,,, and often, a portion will make a neat disc of lead. BUT,,,,,, they do not liquefy, or turn to dust unless you use frangible ammo. Bits & pieces do go in all kinds of directions.
I'd say that a much better type of backstop material is easily available & more cost efficient. Shredded rubber tires allows a bullet trap, that also allows the "mining" of the lead.

Steel cases can be allowed,, but as noted,, in special bays to allow easy clean-up with a magnet.

Rapid fire is fine to me. BUT,,,,, safety first. Go watch a USPSA match & you will see a lot of rapid fire,, along with a form of "Quick-draw." But in USPSA,,, there are restrictions on the types of holsters,, as well as trigger finger rules. (example; "Draw the gun, then engage the targets" is a common stage written briefing.) But, as noted,,, rapid fire can be done safely,, once a person is given training, and shown proficiency to be allowable.

Strictly enforcing safety rules. In USPSA,,, we have safety rules that will Disqualify a shooter from that match. Not forever. We have a saying; "It's not a matter of if you will DQ,, but WHEN you will DQ." Just a few weeks ago,, we had a shooter I had to DQ during a match. He broke the 180 degree rule. He was in "high gear" & when he did it,, it was a safety violation,, but the stage was set-up in such a manner to still be safe for bystanders. He knew he broke the "line,, and was stopping himself as I was also stopping him. Upon discussion,, he allowed it was his first DQ,, after 28 years,,, yes,, 28 years of shooting USPSA.
So, banning for life,, not always the best answer,,, ESPECIALLY if you have training & new shooters. BUT it can be used as a training event to show someone what & why we have rules.

Suppressors,, no issues,, and a non issue.

Full auto,,, fine,,, in an approved bay where all bullets can be controlled even if the gun gets away from the shooter. Range design is critical here.

Now,, for indoor ranges,, lead dust, and other potential airborne stuff that can hurt someones health, proper ventilation is a MUST HAVE!!!!!!! But,, if you build a good exhaust type filtration system, that pulls smoke etc away from the shooters,, in cold months,, you also pull away heat,, and A/C in the warm months. And BP shooters NEED a good air circulation system for them as well.
Individual lanes MUST have safety barriers between shooters to prevent the potential injury to an innocent person if a shooter has a mis-directed round.
Noise suppression material to help absorb noise between shooters is a big plus. Imagine a new, female shooter,, using a 22,,, standing next to a guy with a loudkickenboomer. The less noise & concussion the hear & feel is a huge plus.

Build a range with more than 25 yds as the max distance,, even for handguns. 100 yds is ideal.

These things are observations of mine after owning a range AND having shot in several of them.
 
Contender's observations are just about everything I would like in a range. The only other thing I can think of is a remote target retrieval system for the 100 yard range especially
 
Regarding rapid fire, my range is run by trap and skeet shooters, about 90% of the membership, so I suppose they can be forgiven for not knowing any better , but their rule for rapid fire is not less than 5 seconds between shots. I mean really? Even shooting a single action five seconds between shots is an eternity.
 
ilikerams,,, your issue is NOT uncommon. Many folks feel that any form of "rapid fire" is dangerous, wasteful, and stupid. (I've heard it said to me.) Any many feel that very few people can effectively shoot fast & be accurate. They ignore USPSA, SASS, IDPA, Multi-Gun, 3-Gun, GSSF, & all the other types of competitions that are gun games where speed is part of the game.

Any target retrieval system,,, especially at 100 yds,, isn't too practical. A rule to follow on a gun range; "If you don't want it shot up,, do not put it down range." Or,, another way to look at it; "If you put it down range,, it will get shot."
This is especially true if you are not the owner of the range & equipment.
 
I've never seen a target retrieval past 25 yards. I guy can wish can't he. :)
I know what you mean when you're not the owner of something. That's the reason I won't lend out my chainsaw.
 
contender said:
Any target retrieval system,,, especially at 100 yds,, isn't too practical. A rule to follow on a gun range; "If you don't want it shot up,, do not put it down range." Or,, another way to look at it; "If you put it down range,, it will get shot."
This is especially true if you are not the owner of the range & equipment.

Yep. You should see the ceiling directly above the firing line at my old local range. I actually stopped to look at it a while back loading magazines a few days back. Ten or twelve holes almost directly above my bench. Not to mention the others further down range on the walls where you might more likely expect them.

Granted it was an accumulation of probably 30 years of mistakes as that's about how long it has been in operation, I don't mean to sound elitist by saying this but the truth is it was very disappointing to see. You look up and think "what the heck happened there?".

Luckily we have a new range in town with on site safety personnel on duty at all times and I'm pleased to report at least so far, no holes in the ceiling I've noticed.
 
Rapid fire should be mastered with a 22 before being attempted with a CF pistol-you'd be surprised how fast that muzzle can climb.
I saw one range where the 22s were at one end, then the centerfires in the middle, at the far right the big boomers.
One range I shoot at-Shore Shot in Lakewood, NJ-recently rebuilt their range. Their nose reduction is superb!
 
DGW1949 said:
Because I've had hard cast bullets bounce off of (steel) CAS targets and head back in my direction, one of which hit the sole/heal interface of my boot so hard that it fully buried itself into the juncture. Had it struck a little higher up, it could have just as easily broke my ankle.
Plus, in different but similar incidents...I've had .38-wad cutters bounce off of hard wood. On one occasion, it happened while I was shooting cans off of an oak tree stump and the bullet came back and hit me in the stomach...so no, no more hard backstops for me...much prefer a big dirt mound.

"Once bitten-twice shy" I guess.

DGW

I actually have the same aversion to shooting steel. Even though I'd agree that with the proper angle of the plate and proper ammo it's considered safe. I had a 230 grain ball 45 ACP bounce back at me once or what was left of the round. I'll never forget the sound it made as it passed by my right ear. I can't be sure but I'd guess it was within 5-10 inches. I could hear it cut the wind as it passed I was wearing eye protection but I doubt it would have done any good at all judging from the sound I heard.

It was from a steel plate about 10 yards away. I much prefer a soft dirt or sand backstop.
 
"Rapid fire should be mastered with a 22 before being attempted with a CF pistol-you'd be surprised how fast that muzzle can climb."

I respectfully disagree. As noted above,, many types of handgun competition are rapid fire, AND only centerfires are used. Many new folks who want to compete are taught to shoot safely,, and many of them do not own a .22. If a person is in one of these competitions,, at the local level, they get a lot of friendly help in how to shoot & enjoy competing at their level. It's usually taught to "go slower,,, be accurate & the speed will come" method.
 
A Sam's club closed and moved a couple blocks away. The empty building was cleaned up and has been listed for sale or rent for ... what ... 10 years?? I started thinking it would be a great place for an indoor range including 100+ yards ..... from where the optical department was to the pharmacy .... :)

Now I just need to find a bag of cash on the side of the road. A really big, full bag!!
 

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