Ruger P95 Factory sight in distance and bullet weight?

[TN.Frank]

Ok, so I ran a few rounds of 115gr WWB and some 124gr XTP handloads through my P95 and both were hitting somewhat low at 7 yards, especially the 124gr stuff. So, what weight bullet is Ruger using to sight in their guns with and at what range? I'm thinking that they may be sighted in at 25 yards with 147gr stuff. Looks like a sight set may be in my future so I can get it dialed in to my specs. 8)

 

[Whitehair53]

Mine shoots good using 115 gr at 20 yds. I have found some variation in 115 gr from different mfg's. Find what works good for you and stick with it

 

[TN.Frank]

My Glock loved 124gr stuff. I've got 1000 Berry's 100gr HBRN's to load up. Using 6.0grs of Unique I get 1375fps out of em', real barn burners but no signs of high pressure.
I may pick up some 147gr Berrys Flat Points and give them a try. That should bring the POI up a bit.
I did drift the sights just a bit right to correct the windage. Now if elevation would correct I'd be good to go. Also, I do use a combat sight picture so the front dot is on the center of where I want to hit and it's still low by about 1.5"-2" sometimes. Other times it's POA/POI which doesn't make a lot of sense. I wonder if there's a break in period where things will settle in so that the gun will group better. The guy I got it from said that he never shot it, just bought it and put it in the safe so it's a new gun that'll need to be shot a bit to settle things in.
I do know that they make sight sets with different height front blades and rear sights, may need to look into a set to get things set up for my ammo and sight hold.

 

[TN.Frank]

Here's what I'm dealing with shooting the P95:

Group on the right was typical with my Glock G19, same distance, same ammo, same hold so it's not like I don't know how to shoot a handgun. Ruger puts em' all over the place, a couple low then it'll throw a couple high then who knows. I wonder if there's something wrong with the gun. Maybe I need to send it back to Ruger to get it fixed.

 

[TN.Frank]

So no one has anything to add to the above pic of the Glock group vs the Ruger group?

 

[Cheesewhiz]

So no one has anything to add to the above pic of the Glock group vs the Ruger group?

Yeah, the ones on the right are round nose bullets and the ones on the left are probably Berry's HP and if those are Berry's early version of their HP's, those really don't shoot very well. I know.

 

[TN.Frank]

Wrong, both are Berry's HP, 124gr loads, factory fresh bullets that I got and loaded about 3 months ago. Not the older HP bullets at all.
The ones on the right were shot from my Glock G19, the ones on the left were from the Ruger P95.
I'd just like to know why it's shooting "patterns" instead of groups. :roll:
Everything I've shot(115gr WWB, 124gr Berry's Flat Points, 124gr Berry's HP's, 124gr Hornady XTP's) are are shooting patterns. The closest that I got to a "group" from any of em' was the 115gr WWB stuff.
Maybe this gun just hates 124gr bullets. I guess I need to run some of the 100gr hollow base round nose loads through it to see how it'll work with those. If it's still shooting patterns then I might give some 147gr, .357" bullets a try, maybe it's just a loose barrel and needs a larger bullet, who knows. My KP95 that I had in '98 shot pretty well with anything I'd care to feed it. 8)

 

[Cheesewhiz]

I don't claim to be an expert very often but your Glock target isn't shot with hollow points, those are round nose holes.

 

[TN.Frank]

The Glock target was shot with my handloads and at that time I had only loaded Berry's Flat Point and Hollow Point plated bullets. The Hollow Point ogive is just about the same as a round nose bullet only with the tip cut off and a star shaped hollow point cavity in it.
It still doesn't explain why the Glock would shoot a group that's 1/3 that of the Ruger at the same range using the same shooting position.
We're due for rain for the next couple days but once we get some decent weather I'm going out back and put some 100gr hollow base round nose through it to see what it'll do.

Here's one that I dang sure know was shot with XTP Hollow points.

and this one was with 115gr WWB.

 

[Cheesewhiz]

I've loaded a lot of Berry's bullets and have found their HBRN bullets to be my favorites for accuracy, I've done some Berry's HBFN 124gr but I still found the round nose hollow base to be a little more versatile due to the additional finished length.

This target was shot with Berry's 115gr HBRN pushed by some Power Pistol at 50', not rested.

This was my first testings of Berry's 124gr HBRN using 231/HP-38 powder, also shot at 50' without a rest.

Here is a "layout" picture of the 124gr HBRN just so some will know what we are talking about.

The orginal Berry's HP's had a star shaped point without the slash cuts at the point like an XTP has. I found those bullets to be terrible as far as accuracy, I think they were base heavy but I could never get them to group at all. Berry's has since changed the design but the old ones are still in the system.

I would bench rest your P95 and run the target out a little further and see what you get with some known quality ammo.

 

[TN.Frank]

LOL, good luck trying to find any factory 9x19mm around my neck of the woods. Everyone is out of stock except for maybe a couple boxes of the defensive stuff.
I've always like the 124gr bullet in the 9x19mm but it looks like I may have to drop back to the 115gr in a hollow base bullet for my handloads since your's seemed to group so well. We'll see how the 100gr HBRN's do once the weather clears up and I can get out and put a few through the P95 again.
I really hope the 100gr HBRN's work out because I have over 1000 of them to load, just need to find brass. Ammo shortage is so bad that folks are even starting to pick up their 9mm brass at the TWRA sight in station range, never seen that happen before. At least I can keep the rounds that I do have loaded up if nothing else.
:wink:

P.S.
Also, now that I think about it the 124gr HP's and even the FP's may have been from X-Treme and not Berry's. Still, same design so they'd shoot just as well(or crappy,LOL) so maybe a lighter 115gr hollow base round nose may be just the ticket. Too bad they're back ordered for 1-2 months. Dang ammo shortages. :cry:

 

[TN.Frank]

Well, I pulled out some of my older targets from other guns I've had(Beretta PX4 Storm in 40cal, Springfield Armory XD45, ATI 1911a1 45, Walther PK380 and even a Glock G30 that I had) and groups are all on par with the P95. I guess the G19 just spoiled me or something with the groups that it shot,LOL.
Might be able to get out later today to put a few 100gr rounds through the P95 to see how it likes those. Anyway, talk to ya'll later. :wink:

 

[Altered]

So, what weight bullet is Ruger using to sight in their guns with and at what range? I'm thinking that they may be sighted in at 25 yards with 147gr stuff.

In response to the original question. I just got my P95 back from Ruger last week. The paper sent back to me explaining what was done to the gun states and I quote

After repair pistol was function fired 50 rounds of Black Hills 115GR with customers magazines without malfunction.

I am not sure this is what they test a "new" gun with but I would say it is highly likely 115GR.

 

[TN.Frank]

Thanks for the info. I know makers from Europe or ones for the U.S. Military normally use 124gr ammo(NATO spec mostly) but it makes sense that a U.S. maker might use 115gr since many folks here in the U.S. use that load.

 

[Biggfoot44]

A cpl of thoughts :

With handguns at non-long range the recoil dynamic of the gun in your hand , using your grasp, and your stance will effect POI.

If this was a brand new gun to you , practice your trigger pull with it during wear in period.

To test the sighting and/ or particular load use a rest , or at least a braced position at 20 or 25yds to get a meaningful picture of the sights and load.

If it does turn out to be shooting low , that can be corrected by carefully filing down the front sight.

 

[TN.Frank]

OR I can simply replace the front sight with a taller unit which would be pretty easy to do with this gun. I've still got to get out and put some of my 100gr Berry's HBRN loads through this gun. The weather just hasn't been cooperating with me lately. I normally won't touch the sights on a handgun until I've put a couple hundred rounds through it to make sure I'm use to the trigger, grip, ect. and to really ring it out to make double sure that it's the gun's problem for not hitting and not me.
If in fact this was a NIB gun and the guy I got it from wasn't lying about it then it may take a few rounds to get everything seated in and working together like they're suppose to. I'm sure it'll come around, my KP95 shot pretty well for me so I think it's just a matter of more practice before this gun starts hitting well for me too. :wink:

 

[Richard-SSV]

I just bought my first gun (P95) about a month ago and have had the same issue with it shooting low and to the left. I have shot about 200 rounds of Tulammo 115 gr and 50 rounds of federal 115 gr, all with the same results. I attributed it to being a newbie without any experience shooting. Then I shot 50 rounds Remington UMC 115 gr, and I was shooting high?

I'm still going to chalk it up to inexperience for now, but I've read several other posts on various other websites where people complained about the P95 shooting low. Kind of makes ya wonder, doesn't it?

 

[TN.Frank]

Low Left for me is always trigger control problems. I got into a Beretta PX4 Storm in 40S&W, nice gun but I hate the 40cal in all honesty, don't even know why I got back into one but I was pulling low and left until I got the hang of it then the groups centered up to something half way decent.
This gun isn't low left, it's just all over the place, two shots high right, two dead on, one low left, one low right, just all over the place.
I just really need to get out and run some rounds through it to get it settled in and to just see how it's going to group.

 

[revhigh]

I don't claim to be an expert very often but your Glock target isn't shot with hollow points, those are round nose holes.

Cheese,

I think you're seeing a difference between target material. As well as the one target having had the back of the holes pressed forward. I know exactly what you mean though, and why you'd think that.

REV

 

[Mobuck]

To the OP.
I ordered (from Ruger) and installed a higher rear sight blade to bring my POI close to POA. Using Speer GoldDot 124, my KP95 originally shot about 5" low @ 10 yards. I got the highest option blade and ended up shooting 2" high with the 124 but real close to center with 115. If I do this for another pistol I have, I'll get the intermediate height blade.
How hard the shooter grips the pistol can affect the vertical POI considerably especially in a shorter barreled gun. When shooting for groups, I tend to use a "gorilla grip" causing my POI to be somewhat lower than when just casually firing a few shots.