Ruger or Taurus? Never USED to be a question but,,,

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contender

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Ok, lets look at this from a business perspective.

Ruger sells to distributors, not dealers or gun shops.
Each location has different people doing similar jobs. A FFL is required to do business, and a copy needs to be in all facilities to verify you are who you say you are.
A simple addition of a fax, email attachment, etc can get the proper amount charged to a business account.
Jane in NH doesn't talk to Joe in NC, or to Suzy in AZ because they are working on a lot of other stuff too.

A POLITE, non screaming phone call can clear a lot up on this one issue.


As to the QC on the 3 guns & their sights.
Yes, there are occasional issues. Again, a polite call to your distributor to let them know of an issue, (Remember, Davidson's has a guarantee, and all others will stand behind them as well.)
Or, a polite call to Ruger will get you proper replacement parts or they will send you a pre-paid shipper to return the 3 guns & they will fix them.

Emails are among the slowest way to get a response sometimes.

Now, you are pretty upset about the QC in general. Ok, lets look at this from a business angle.
Ruger built a new plant in NC. They had to hire at least a few hundred more employees. They had to screen them for background checks, drug use etc. NOT an easy process. THEN they had to train a lot of them. I'm SURE a few of them may not be the best at their job,,,, yet. And anybody on an assembly line can get so used to looking at the same thing over & over to where they miss a minor problem.

But, if you look in the mirror, look back at how perfect you were when you started a new job. I'm sure NOBODY here can claim they did a perfect job, every day, every time, all the time. We ALL have a bad day, or other things that can cause a minor issue in how we perform.

Next,,, Some of the small parts are farmed out to sub-contractors. And that can add to the QC issues.

Now lets throw in a whole bunch of stockholders who expect a quarterly profit. The bean counters are always looking at ways to reduce costs so they can turn a profit, AND put out a good product. Are they perfect? Nope! It happens in every business and in every manufacturing plant out there.

Now lets look at the numbers.
Ruger has set a goal of 2 million firearms in one year. That's a HUGE undertaking. In that number of guns,,, I'm SURE a small percentage is going to be bad. It's the laws of manufacturing. If only 1% is bad,,, that's 20,000 bad.

You've stated you have seen a lot of bad guns,,, but only list 3.
I've bought many, many (Over 200 at least,) Rugers over the years, and I've had an occasional issue.
I'm the guy who had the infamous barrel separation of the Redhawk. At least I was told I was the first one. It took them a long while to figure out why that happened.
I got an early P-85, that THEY decided needed the MKII safety, (military contract issue.)
I got an early SR9 that had barrel peening,,, yet NEVER failed to fire.
I have a Vaquero that shot very low & left.

So, in about 35-40 years,,, I've had a few issues,,, but ALL were handled in a very professional manner when I was polite when I called.

Now, let's see,,,, I do not think there is ANY firearms company that has not had it's lemons, it's QC issues, or in general ever been perfect all the time.

I say this;
Call Ruger,,, talk to them. Be polite. Express your concerns.
Screaming on a gun forum (by using red & caps you are considered to be screaming,) is not the PROFESSIONAL way to do business.
BTW; I've owned my own businesses for about 30 years now, & was raised in a family with small businesses. I speak from a lot of experience.
 
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benchrest500 said:
OK so what is so offensive about these true documented issues with Ruger?

You just LOVE Ruger so much you'll let them walk all over you?

How about acting like an adult and call them back and discussing it with them. Nothing we can do. Frankly I don't believe you but if you were serious about solving the problem, you aren't going to do it here. Go to the source. They have to know you are a dealer to get dealer price. Pull up your big boy pants and act like an adult.
 

Jimbo357mag

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Well that was something. I was going to say that Ruger guns are made in America but some of their accessories and secondary products are imported. It's just reasonable business practice. :roll: :roll:
 

mohavesam

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-Un-substantiated whine? Huh.

I think many people just do not understand that Ruger (and any other gun maker) is essentially a machine shop. In such an endeavor, there are minor manufacturing changes every day. This is normal.

Also mis-understood is the fact that Ruger manufactures guns to a price-point tolerance, which rules manufacturing to the effect that any gun may have minor differences.
Likewise lots of parts are subcontracted, and supplier quality standards set by "best-cost practices" common to every industry I've ever been involved with.

Have no idea what the Taurus reference is about.
 

jstanfield103

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It looks like they need to adjust some tooling is all. I have purchased 4 new Ruger's this year and had 0 quality defects. I would own a Ruger over any other brand, in fact I have sold most other brands just to buy more Ruger's because of their quality.
 

azrugershooter

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Well anyone that spray paints the bushing and the spring plug of his 1911 gold has to have a screw loose. LOL
 

Chuck 100 yd

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Buy a new SR1911 and you also get a little zippered case that is made in China.
Those cases mean absolutely NOTHING to me, I throw them away. Do I wish Ruger would have included a Bob Allen ,US made ,case and increased the cost of my gun by $20+? I think not. I buy my T-shirts at Wall Mart and they are all imported. That is why they can sell them for 1/4 the price of US made.
 

RSIno1

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Guess he's just disappointed in Ruger. In a perfect world bad parts wouldn't make it past QC. Sure Ruger will make it right but those parts shouldn't have made it out the door. Seems like Ruger is being run by CPAs rather than gun makers.
 

benchrest500

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azrugershooter said:
Well anyone that spray paints the bushing and the spring plug of his 1911 gold has to have a screw loose. LOL


Not my gun and not spray paint, it's gold plate,,

Gun was owned by a guy that murdered some people with it.

They took it from him when they caught him, gun is in someones collection now, very elaborate engraving but done in 70's PORN motif.

I just like the "Welcome to Hell" on the slide,, last thing quite a few people saw in their life.

Here is the layout,,
http://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/HMG/hmg.html
 
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