Ruger338-06
Bearcat
Did the Ruger #1B ever get chambered in the 280 Remington.
Ruger #1B
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El Numero Uno
Buckeye
Yes, several times and over a long time frame. Once the caliber marking was even 280 or 7mm Remington Express in the early '80's.
OldRugerMan
Blackhawk
Plus 1 what ENU said. The 280 or 280/7mm Remington Express is what I would call rare in a No.1, especially in a Non-Prefix No.1 with only 75 or so made. I had a four digit No.1-B in 280 with sights that I doubt would letter once. Other that that one I've seen only two or three for sale.
picketpin
Buckeye
Non prefixes are rare. I would not call a rifle that was cataloged for 20+ years as a rare. I liken it to the 257 Roberts, Uncommon, but NOT rare. That said, anything other than a "B" from the factory is "rare" not counting this years "A". I've seen one "S" that letters to 1976.
Ross
Ross
I recently bought a 1B in .280 on Gun Broker. So far it shoots terrible with various factory ammo. Just fire forming the brass to my chamber right now and I suspect it will be fine with handloads. Not a real good selection of factory rounds can be found for the .280............at least I haven't found one this rifle likes yet
wunbe
Buckeye
gtxmonte,
Is yours a red pad or later black pad?
Mine -- a black pad -- only settled down after the set screw fix and trigger work. It is now my my most reliably accurate #1 and has bang-flopped every deer shot with it -- including my 15 pointer. It shoots whatever commercial fodder i feed it @ MOA.
It goes out with me.
wunbe
Is yours a red pad or later black pad?
Mine -- a black pad -- only settled down after the set screw fix and trigger work. It is now my my most reliably accurate #1 and has bang-flopped every deer shot with it -- including my 15 pointer. It shoots whatever commercial fodder i feed it @ MOA.
It goes out with me.
wunbe
I haven't done anything with the rifle yet and likely won't any time soon. I am not a hunter, just strictly a paper puncher. That said, not even sure why I bought it. Just a different caliber I guess. Working up loads and accuracy work on a sporter barreled No.1 will be way down of my list of things to do, as all my other heavy barrel long range stuff keeps me pretty busy. Might even sell it to somebody who wants it worse than me.wunbe said:
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Ruger338-06
Bearcat
gtxmonte said:
To bad their is a border between us, we could talk lol
ilikerams
Single-Sixer
Do you think a #1-V in .280 rem. would be considered rare?
El Numero Uno
Buckeye
The 1V in 280 was not in production long and is not regularly found. For the time frame it was made, I would consider it at least uncommon, if not rare.
ilikerams
Single-Sixer
My #1-V is sn-132-56093 and the paper I have says it was ordered on 11-23-1982 and shipped from a place called Shooting Sports Supply on 12-29-1982. Also the marking on the barrel is ".280 rem. or 7mm exp. rem.", not 7mm rem. express.
El Numero Uno
Buckeye
If you want to sell it, please PM me.
Thanks,
Thanks,
picketpin
Buckeye
See the above note. The 280 in any #1 other than a "B" or the current production "A" is a rare configuration. That includes the "V". The 243 and the 280 are probably the two rarest "cataloged" "V" s. Bother were only cataloged for a year or two at the most. My personal suspicion was that each was one or two runs. That's 100 barrels per run and total of production of that less whatever did not pass QC.
Ross
Ross
Huh.......didn't know that. I have a .243 in a 1V. Also a 6mm, 25-06, 22-250 and a Swift. Also have a 1B in a .222, so that is at least two in my stash that are somewhat scarce. All my Number 1s are 70s or 80s vintage.
picketpin
Buckeye
GTX The non prefix 222 B is actually less rare than the 1971 130 prefix 222 "B" It's a hard hole to fill. ..
The 243 "V" are around 132-54XXX give or take a little. Both of mine shipped in Jan 1983.
I have a non prefix "B" in 222 and two in the AH configuration.
Missing the 280, 6.5 Creedmore and the 6.5-284 for having all of the cataloged "V". The 6.5-284 is just a matter of finding one with wood that doesn't look like a fence post. ;-( Yes. I know Lance has a Creedmore. ;-)
RWT
The 243 "V" are around 132-54XXX give or take a little. Both of mine shipped in Jan 1983.
I have a non prefix "B" in 222 and two in the AH configuration.
Missing the 280, 6.5 Creedmore and the 6.5-284 for having all of the cataloged "V". The 6.5-284 is just a matter of finding one with wood that doesn't look like a fence post. ;-( Yes. I know Lance has a Creedmore. ;-)
RWT
I have several Number 1s, but don't consider myself a collector at all. I have the Vs I mentioned, the .222 and also have a .280 and a 7mm in B config, but I rarely shoot them. Yeah I know they are classy, beautiful, people love them and are worth a few bucks.......I just wish they shot better. I don't hunt and am strictly a paper puncher and have rifles for that purpose and the Rugers just don't measure up......of course they are not supposed to.
So you are in a dilemma. I like them and don't really want to sell them........BUT, I want them to shoot better. So do you bite the bullet and re-barrel a couple and try to really make them shooters..........do you live with it, or do you toss in the towel, sell the lot and buy some more bolt rifles.........LOL!!!
So you are in a dilemma. I like them and don't really want to sell them........BUT, I want them to shoot better. So do you bite the bullet and re-barrel a couple and try to really make them shooters..........do you live with it, or do you toss in the towel, sell the lot and buy some more bolt rifles.........LOL!!!
El Numero Uno
Buckeye
It is a rare No.1 that cannot be made to shoot decently. Picketpin probably has the most knowledge and experience of any on this Board on how to do that!
I would only say that some No.1's are sensitive to forearm pressure. Load development is another fix.
As he noted, the 130-0XXXX 1B in .222 is rarer than the 4 digit ones. I have one, and it is the only one I have ever seen.
Forgot to add; the new 1V's in 6.5-284 will really shoot, but finding one with any decent wood will be a challenge.
I would only say that some No.1's are sensitive to forearm pressure. Load development is another fix.
As he noted, the 130-0XXXX 1B in .222 is rarer than the 4 digit ones. I have one, and it is the only one I have ever seen.
Forgot to add; the new 1V's in 6.5-284 will really shoot, but finding one with any decent wood will be a challenge.
picketpin
Buckeye
GTX: I won the annual postal shoot we hold on the #1 Site each year in the .224 and under category last year.
That's two five shot groups fired at 100 yards and then averaged. Averaged group size for 10 shots was .367 and the score was 100-9X.
I placed 2nd in the .243-.299 class with .534 with one flyer to the outside edge of the ten ring, score 100-8X
ALL my #1s in "varmint" configuration can and will shoot in the the .500s and that includes the 300 WM.
I own a BUNCH and have hunted #1s for 40+ years. All but one will shoot sub MOA . That.s and early 7x57 with the long throat. But other than that they all shoot MOA or less and that includes the magnums from 264 WM, 270WBY, 7STW, 300 WM and even my 338.
The single biggest issue is barrel harmonics and I will admit that individual #1s are very sensitive as to what they like. I have 6 in 257 Roberts. None of them has the same "accuracy" load. They all however DO shoot one load into MOA and that includes the other eight 257 Roberts "B" that other family members own. Yes, it took about 10 years to find a load they all would shoot well.
That to me is the allure to the #1, besides looks etc is that sometime you have to work at it. Heck I have bolt guns that shoot far better. I expect them to.
The very best #1 will out shoot most bolt guns on a good day. Really good bolt guns will ALWAYS out shoot even the best #1s. It is the nature of the beast and the engineering principles involved. That said I can not fathom and thousands if not tens of thousands of hours of enjoyment I've gotten over the last 40+ years tinkering with my #1s and and doing serious load work.
Lots of bolts guns in the rack that shoot better, but heck they did from the day I bought them and stuck the recommended load in them, THAT has very little or nothing to do with me and any competent rifleman should be able to do the same. My #1s, that's another thing all together and THAT is about ME.
If you ever want to get rid of them and buy bolt guns, drop me a note. ;-)
The very best
Ross
Lance, I've seen 3 and failed to buy the one that was offered in about 1982. Also passed on a 6,5 Mag for over 3 years. The guy finally traded it off at the Portland Show for what he figured was $650. Again in the 80s, before I got serious. ;-(
That's two five shot groups fired at 100 yards and then averaged. Averaged group size for 10 shots was .367 and the score was 100-9X.
I placed 2nd in the .243-.299 class with .534 with one flyer to the outside edge of the ten ring, score 100-8X
ALL my #1s in "varmint" configuration can and will shoot in the the .500s and that includes the 300 WM.
I own a BUNCH and have hunted #1s for 40+ years. All but one will shoot sub MOA . That.s and early 7x57 with the long throat. But other than that they all shoot MOA or less and that includes the magnums from 264 WM, 270WBY, 7STW, 300 WM and even my 338.
The single biggest issue is barrel harmonics and I will admit that individual #1s are very sensitive as to what they like. I have 6 in 257 Roberts. None of them has the same "accuracy" load. They all however DO shoot one load into MOA and that includes the other eight 257 Roberts "B" that other family members own. Yes, it took about 10 years to find a load they all would shoot well.
That to me is the allure to the #1, besides looks etc is that sometime you have to work at it. Heck I have bolt guns that shoot far better. I expect them to.
The very best #1 will out shoot most bolt guns on a good day. Really good bolt guns will ALWAYS out shoot even the best #1s. It is the nature of the beast and the engineering principles involved. That said I can not fathom and thousands if not tens of thousands of hours of enjoyment I've gotten over the last 40+ years tinkering with my #1s and and doing serious load work.
Lots of bolts guns in the rack that shoot better, but heck they did from the day I bought them and stuck the recommended load in them, THAT has very little or nothing to do with me and any competent rifleman should be able to do the same. My #1s, that's another thing all together and THAT is about ME.
If you ever want to get rid of them and buy bolt guns, drop me a note. ;-)
The very best
Ross
Lance, I've seen 3 and failed to buy the one that was offered in about 1982. Also passed on a 6,5 Mag for over 3 years. The guy finally traded it off at the Portland Show for what he figured was $650. Again in the 80s, before I got serious. ;-(
I didn't mean they shoot horribly, they just don't shoot as well as I would like. I have probably worked on the 22-250 more than any. Trigger work, competition hammer, worked on the fore end pressure. Tried DOZENS of loads, powders, bullets, etc. Found where it likes to be off the lands, fire formed cases of same weights, bumped and non bumped shoulders, consistent neck tension, etc. You name it, I have done it and don't get me wrong, it shoots GOOD. But on the Rugers BEST day, my BVSS Savage in 22-250 with factory Hornady varmint loads outshoots it easily. But like you say, it SHOULD.
I admit that getting a Number 1 to shoot well is challenging AND rewarding.........but then on the flip side it is somewhat disheartening to spend ALL that time on the Ruger and an out of the box Savage, with out of the box ammo will best it.................I really have to be "in the mood" to tinker with the Rugers these days, as I have several Savages as well as a couple "custom" rifles that will just spoil you with accuracy.
The Rugers are beautiful and I love them.............just find myself wanting to "tinker" as you call it less and less with them. I rarely shoot anything less than 400 yards these days, because I can do that in my back yard and my bolt guns are just SO good at that.........LOL!!!
I admit that getting a Number 1 to shoot well is challenging AND rewarding.........but then on the flip side it is somewhat disheartening to spend ALL that time on the Ruger and an out of the box Savage, with out of the box ammo will best it.................I really have to be "in the mood" to tinker with the Rugers these days, as I have several Savages as well as a couple "custom" rifles that will just spoil you with accuracy.
The Rugers are beautiful and I love them.............just find myself wanting to "tinker" as you call it less and less with them. I rarely shoot anything less than 400 yards these days, because I can do that in my back yard and my bolt guns are just SO good at that.........LOL!!!
