Anyone have a 10/22 Carbon Fiber and run it with subsonic ammo and a suppressor? Curious if it cycles the action. It actually OK if it doesn’t cycle the action since a suppressor only helps dirty the action. I use my suppressor occasionally on my 22/45 but hold the action shut to keep it cleaner and help keep the sound down from the breach.
Ruger 10/22 carbon with subsonic ammo
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NikA
Hunter
Doesn't matter the model, there's not a factory 10/22 that will reliably run typical subsonic ammunition.
There are mod kits available to allow cycling with subsonic ammunition ONLY (regular ammunition would cause damage).
There may be specialized subsonic ammunition that claims to improve cycling. I doubt it is worth the extra cost.
Standard velocity ammunition is pretty darn quiet out of a suppressed .22 rifle. If it's a semi, action noise will be more of a problem for taking game.
There are mod kits available to allow cycling with subsonic ammunition ONLY (regular ammunition would cause damage).
There may be specialized subsonic ammunition that claims to improve cycling. I doubt it is worth the extra cost.
Standard velocity ammunition is pretty darn quiet out of a suppressed .22 rifle. If it's a semi, action noise will be more of a problem for taking game.
I shoot subsonic ammo out of several suppressed 10-22's all day, and they cycle just fine.
40GR bullet at 1050FPS
40GR bullet at 1050FPS
A LOT depends on the 10-22 and how smooth the action is. I had to install reduced strength Kidd springs on a dedicated suppressor host used with sub-sonic Aguila and RWS ammo. I've had better results using 'suppressor' ammo (sub-sonic with 42-45 grain bullets). Yes, this type ammo is 'worth the extra cost'.
I have to disagree with the OP's comment about cycling 'dirtying the action'. A suppressed firearm is going to get dirty quicker than unsuppressed regardless--just a fact of life.
I have to disagree with the OP's comment about cycling 'dirtying the action'. A suppressed firearm is going to get dirty quicker than unsuppressed regardless--just a fact of life.
Agreed. I use piston drive uppers on about half my suppressed AR's. Somewhat less fouling and not nearly as much gunk in the bolt or blowback in the face.
Some guys were posting about 10-22s suppressed back in July. I was 1.
Rifles I have are 10-22 take down and a Bargara CF bbl, (a clone of 10-22).
Rem subsonic 1050 FPS works 100% limited tested.
CCI clean 1070 FPS works 100% limited testing.
CCI Quiet 710 FPS would not cycle the action.
Limited testing on my part was about 100 rounds of each in each rifle.
The quiet failed badly, not sure it worked at all.
The KIDD recoil spring package is not expensive and might have allowed the Quiet to cycle the action. As said the cycling of the action is still heard even with bolt buffers. But the actual muzzle sound is really quiet. With HV .22lr ammo is not loud but also not really quiet. If you want quiet use subsonic ammo.
Suppressors I use are Banish. A short little V2 22DT and full size 223 models. On the 10-22s my ears can't tell any noise difference between them. The V2 22DT is so darn light and short, it works great.
Rifles I have are 10-22 take down and a Bargara CF bbl, (a clone of 10-22).
Rem subsonic 1050 FPS works 100% limited tested.
CCI clean 1070 FPS works 100% limited testing.
CCI Quiet 710 FPS would not cycle the action.
Limited testing on my part was about 100 rounds of each in each rifle.
The quiet failed badly, not sure it worked at all.
The KIDD recoil spring package is not expensive and might have allowed the Quiet to cycle the action. As said the cycling of the action is still heard even with bolt buffers. But the actual muzzle sound is really quiet. With HV .22lr ammo is not loud but also not really quiet. If you want quiet use subsonic ammo.
Suppressors I use are Banish. A short little V2 22DT and full size 223 models. On the 10-22s my ears can't tell any noise difference between them. The V2 22DT is so darn light and short, it works great.
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I am no help on your suppressed question.
But. I have used these cci quiet both sold and segmented to take out raccoons, gophers and foxes within about 25 yards. Had to hand cycle my 10-22. Feed perfectly in the rotary mag. They shoot about 2" lower than mini mags at that distance. VERY QUIET
But. I have used these cci quiet both sold and segmented to take out raccoons, gophers and foxes within about 25 yards. Had to hand cycle my 10-22. Feed perfectly in the rotary mag. They shoot about 2" lower than mini mags at that distance. VERY QUIET
Be aware that CCI also sells a “Quiet” load specifically designed to function semiautomatic firearms.
I’ve not shot ANY of the “Quiet” loads, but plan to rectify that, shortly after a brown truck leaves my house in a few days!
https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/quiet-22-semi-auto/6-975CC.html
I’ve not shot ANY of the “Quiet” loads, but plan to rectify that, shortly after a brown truck leaves my house in a few days!
https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/quiet-22-semi-auto/6-975CC.html
Interesting.Be aware that CCI also sells a "Quiet" load specifically designed to function semiautomatic firearms.
I've not shot ANY of the "Quiet" loads, but plan to rectify that, shortly after a brown truck leaves my house in a few days!
https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/cci/quiet-22-semi-auto/6-975CC.html
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NikA
Hunter
Seems like I'm several years behind the latest offerings. I haven't bought .22 ammo in the past 5 years. Gave away the CCI Quiet I had because bulk box ammo plus a can accomplished the same task for my purposes.
I bought a case of Aguila SV .22 in 2019 or so. Manufacture reports 1130fps, 40gr LRN bullet. I shoot a 10/22 with a 16" target aftermarket barrel and a typical .22 suppressor offering. Rifle is not uncomfortable to shoot once or twice without earpro or can. Typical shots are ground squirrels at 25-50 yds. I live in a quiet place; removing safety or running 10/22 bolt will alert target to my presence. Having a quieter round for my 10/22 for me appears to be of diminishing return.
Looks to me like CCI subsonic offerings are at minimum 2x the current cost of the Aguila SV I use. I don't believe I would kill twice as many pests or use half as much ammo if I switched. I am intrigued by their QuickShok/segmented HP offering and have some to try, but didn't have an opportunity last season. That seems to me to be a possibly worthwhile added cost if it functions as advertised.
I bought a case of Aguila SV .22 in 2019 or so. Manufacture reports 1130fps, 40gr LRN bullet. I shoot a 10/22 with a 16" target aftermarket barrel and a typical .22 suppressor offering. Rifle is not uncomfortable to shoot once or twice without earpro or can. Typical shots are ground squirrels at 25-50 yds. I live in a quiet place; removing safety or running 10/22 bolt will alert target to my presence. Having a quieter round for my 10/22 for me appears to be of diminishing return.
Looks to me like CCI subsonic offerings are at minimum 2x the current cost of the Aguila SV I use. I don't believe I would kill twice as many pests or use half as much ammo if I switched. I am intrigued by their QuickShok/segmented HP offering and have some to try, but didn't have an opportunity last season. That seems to me to be a possibly worthwhile added cost if it functions as advertised.
The original QUIET ammo was very feeble. I used it for a couple years in a 5.5" 22/45 and found it occasionally failed to penetrate the skull of big, old boar coons. It made the 22/45 basically a manually operated mag fed pistol. Very safe for use but the dismal terminal performance was unacceptable. Additionally, it wasn't accurate enough in my pistol to give me the results I needed. Switching to sub-sonic HP solved these problems. This year I used a folding stock 10-22 with integral suppressor and found it was a good match for my needs. Much better accuracy, better range capability for general use, and almost as handy as a suppressed pistol.
With the 10/22, this isn't surprising. The action noise exceeds the muzzle report significantly at the shooters ear.
Thunder Beast has a video shooting their 22 Takedown on a 10/22 with a properly calibrated sound meter.
Sound meter~1 meter to left of muzzle, firing rounds:
115-116dB
Sound meter ~1 foot to right of ejection port:
1. Open and release bolt on empty chamber:
120-121dB
2. Action cycling, firing rounds:
123-124dB
So unless the muzzle report is 124dB+, the shooters ear will not pick it up over the action noise. Even tiny cans and short versions of modular suppressors suppress rifles well enough to stay below that number. So it's not surprising a small can and large can will sound the same to a shooter in this particular instance.
Many years ago, Twang'N'Bang did an early review of the Rugged Oculus that informally demonstrated the same effect. He shot it on a 10/22 both long and short, but was unable to tell the difference between the long and the short due to the action noise. It was only when he moved further up between berms that he began to pick up the louder report of the short configuration coming off the berms to either side:
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To really appreciate a decent rimfire muffler, you need to use a manually operated rifle. Shooting my RAR compact with Form 1 muffler using Aguila sub-sonic ammo, the loudest sound is the striker hitting the case.
If you don't mind my asking, I'm curious about the tube length, diameter, and number/type of baffles your Form 1 has.
I have a Quietbore Form 1 from 2021 that was their tiny-ish 9mm kit drilled out for 22LR. It has 10 K baffles in a 7” X 1.25”tube. It’s also very quiet.
Roughly, 1.125" OD x 6" long with 7 flat baffles.
Interesting never thought of them chewing through to get at the sweet stuff. Steel mesh surrounds for tubing? In addition to keeping population down, possibly cost prohibitive on the mesh?
I’d say likely cost prohibitive, depending upon the individual setup…
I’ve had the opportunity to hunt one 40-acre woods that’s used for maple syrup production.
That particular place was quite an operation… literally hundreds of yards of tubing!
Stainless steel mesh would be the cure, except it would be prohibitively expensive because each farm is a minimum of a half mile or more of tubing. And then all the splicing would be a real pain to cut the mesh jacket.
Alro
Bearcat
I had a Volquartsen firefly bolt installed in my Charger 22. It worked great cycling subsonics for a while. A lot of fun and extremely quiet suppressed. Recently a lot of failure to feeds even after a deep cleaning. Will still cycle regular or high velocity. Accuracy is unaffected. So, be careful what you wish for before you mod for subsonics. I’m sure I’ll get it figured out. But today it was basically shooting 1 or 2 subsonic rounds and jamming. I know I have a lot to learn.
90% of the time, I just use plain old Cci Standard Velocity in my 10/22's... And, all my other semi-auto 22's as well, whenever shooting suppressed.
It cycles them all perfectly, and is most definitely hearing safe. If I want absolute complete silence, I'll go with Cci Quiet in a bolt &/or lever action.
It cycles them all perfectly, and is most definitely hearing safe. If I want absolute complete silence, I'll go with Cci Quiet in a bolt &/or lever action.
Alro
Bearcat
I’m currently looking into a decent bolt action for this reason.
Alro
Bearcat
Did it today just for fun on new my Ruger 10/22 carbon. 710’s fired but didn’t cycle. Turned into a “ bolt action “ but was insanely quiet suppressed. The 835’s might actually cycle. Didn’t have any.
