Ruger #1 and #3 Folks - Show Us Your Junk

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El Numero Uno

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That is what it is- Pete Brown's No.3. I bought the collection in 1990. My recollection is that Mrs. Brown signed the letter. You really don't want to shoot it; shootable No.3's in 45/70 are not that hard to come by. Young people don't know who Pete Brown, Warren Page, Elmer Keith and Jack O'Connor are anymore!
It wasn't necessarily the 23rd one made; it is just #23. The 2 digit Rugers were generally made after the 1st production run, which was a little higher serial numbers. Congratulations.
 

gewehrfreund

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First of all, welcome to the forum.

What you have, apparently, is a nice, documented very early No. 3. It should not have any holes in the barrel for scope bases; if it does it's been added by someone. Shooting this rifle will not affect it's value much, if at all in my opinion. Unless it was engraved or was some sort of "presentation" piece for Brown by Ruger, it's just a nice shooter with known provenance.
Still, if you have the box and with the documentation, it's certainly worth more than the average No. 3 45-70; how much depends on the potential pool of buyers.
 

jtm

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Thanks to Ruger Guru and Blackhawk for your comments and information. I feel better now knowing I have a nice rifle but could probably shoot it if I give into the temptation. It is not a presentation piece as it is just standard wood and bluing but is in almost perfect condition with the exception being 3 very small dents (about the size of a pencil lead) in the rear stock wood. It is not pre-drilled for scope bases which confused me until you clarified that it was not supposed to have them as I believe the other one I had was drilled and, in fact, I still have the Ruger bases from it. Apparently the early ones were not pre-drilled and that is probably a good thing to verify age however I bought one to shoot and need a scope for my 68 year old eyes (yes, I am old enough to remember Page, Keith, and O'Conner, but for some reason did not remember, Brown). So I don't think I will mess it up and drill it for a scope base. I may shoot it a couple of times and just hold on to it until I run across someone with a nice .223, which was the caliber I really wanted, that wants to trade and maybe pay a little extra for the providence. The box apparently got lost somewhere down the road but it does have the documentation mentioned. Didn't put my question up here to try to sell it as I really want to own one and I think it is neat that you owned it at one time, Guru. Apparently another owner was John Krukenberg of Ohio (unless that is you) as the letter from Ruger was sent to him. Also you are probably right about his wife signing the letter as his name is typed, then signed, then underneath that signature the initials C. B. appears, which is the normal method used when signing someone's name with permission. One of the articles stated that Brown died May 18, 1990 and the letter was signed April 7, 1990, just weeks before his death, so due to his health or frailty, she probably signed for him. Thanks again for your help.
 

gewehrfreund

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gewehrfreund said:
First of all, welcome to the forum.

What you have, apparently, is a nice, documented very early No. 3. It should not have any holes in the barrel for scope bases; if it does it's been added by someone. Shooting this rifle will not affect it's value much, if at all in my opinion. Unless it was engraved or was some sort of "presentation" piece for Brown by Ruger, it's just a nice shooter with known provenance.
Still, if you have the box and with the documentation, it's certainly worth more than the average No. 3 45-70; how much depends on the potential pool of buyers.

For some reason, Lee's post did not show up on my computer before I commented. I'd take his advice before mine ;-)
 

El Numero Uno

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The letter was dated the day the collection was picked up. Mr. Brown passed away a couple of weeks later and Mrs. Brown signed the letters in May. Pete Brown was the Gun Editor for Sports Afield during the same time frame as Page, O'Connor, Keith, Askins, Kuhlhoff and Koller were writing. I think the relationship between WBR and Mr. Brown went back to WWII days when Ruger was with Auto Ordnance and Brown was in the Navy. Mrs. Brown told me they were great friends and Mr. Brown was instrumental in Ruger opening a Factory in Arizona. Mr. Brown only wrote one other book, Rimfire Riflemen, and you will find it under the name Edwards Brown. The 2 Brown sons are pictured on the DJ and it is a hard book to find. I gave my copy to Mrs. Brown, as the only copy she had was missing the DJ. Have since found another, but you have to look hard-to find one with a nice DJ.
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jtm

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CLN,Thanks for the additional info but now I guess I need to decide if I want to start another Ruger collection. I've had several over the years but recently got rid of them all except for what I shoot and use everyday due to my age and health. Not sure this one fits there due its history.--JTM
 

Gonfishn

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As the thread starter, I'm sorry if I offended anyone re the use of the present day vernacular; "Junk". I really didn't intend it to sound like rap talk. Considering the differences in "age", I was probably wrong to call it that, i.e., most folks on here are "older", but I digress. My intent in starting this thread was to highlight the most beautiful (my way of thinking) weapons made. I hope that folks who've seen the various poster's #1 and #3 pics have learned to appreciate the various caliber and mm which have been made available through the years and hopefully this has generated more interest so that Lipsey's can continue on with the tradition.
 

El Numero Uno

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Good point; I've also seen threads that call this "No.1 porn". Don't really take offense to this either, but Ruger No.1's are beautiful and classy rifles!
I've got a few, but don't wish to master the posting/hosting issues. The ROCS (Ruger Owners & Collectors Society, Inc) Forums lets me upload pictures directly.
Lots of neat pictures on this site. Link is in my signature. Will just add, that the 3rd issue of ROCS Digest just went to the Printer and expect it to be delivered to Members in early October. I've seen "proofs" and it is a pretty impressive publication.
 
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I only have one #1, my 50th anniversary 45/70. Leupold 1x4 scope and Sims recoil pad. Plan to use it on my next bear hunt.

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Rocdoc

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That 50th 45-70 way too pretty to take on a hunt, but as they say, life is too short to hunt with an ugly gun.
 

Trebor Snave

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Here's my 6mm. It was restocked before I got it; I probably ought to find someone who can checker it nicely, but it makes a dandy mule deer/antelope rifle as it is.
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BigBlue

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I just found this one on Thursday and couldn't walk away. It's chambered in .25-06 and came with the Leupold 3.5-10X40 scope.

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dave2091

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BucolicBuffalo said:
That is a nice finish on that No.1 Dave2091. Good group. I am also amazed how far forward that scope is mounted. I cannot seem to drag mine far enough to the rear to suit me.

It's about 3/4-1" further ahead than the scopes on my 77s, but seems to work for me. Can't really bring it back any further anyway without going to medium rings.
 
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