Revisiting the Hi-Power

I see some nice looking grips in these pics. I can never settle on what feels best. Out of the several grips I know what looks best and what feels best....but none of them handle the best in drills. I swear the original factory plastic grips handle the best, but look the worst (to me). I used to have a set of Pachys w/out finger grooves that felt and handled well. But I cut the front strap off experimenting and ended up giving them away. I tried Hogue but the finger grooves were not for me, even though they felt like the Hogues on a couple of my ARs. The VZ grips in the pic I posted are too rigid, and don't fit the best. I honestly may just put the original plastic grips back on....but then I really don't shoot it as much as I thought I would.
 
By far, the finest fighting pistol ever created. Anyone who doesn't agree, is obviously a gun control-advocating, liberal dimocrat.
(There are some exceptions, of course.)
Yes, I absolutely agree. The Queen of the Nines or the Grand Presannce was the final master piece of the famous JMB.., who did not finish it as he passed in 1926. His assistant actually finished the design ..I'm a little bit ticked 🙂 as I had planned to start a thread on the HP a while ago before the 41 Mag but instead started something else .....If one looks at the history of the P-35 and see how many armys of the world and for how many decades the HP has been used, it is an amazing gun. The P-35 is still in use around the world to this day, and also many specialized units will still use it. The grip on the HP is probably the finest all around feel of any semi auto made, not only in my opinion, but of many others. I have a few of them and obviously love the gun and the design. I can speak for hours about my respect for the gun and have read so many articles on it over the years. The HP came out officially in 1935 and was leap years ahead of anything else on the market. Some people will say that "newer" guns made today may have surpassed it....Keep the plastic. Anyone wearing or using a HP today is not giving up or sacrificing anything in my opinion. The HP is one very special gun up to and including to this very day. 👍👍
 
Have a .30 Luger Belgium Browning, still NIB. A couple of FEG's one in 9mm and the other in .45 acp, the .45 was given to be by a work acquaintance because his sons had bought some swap meet reloaded ammo and proceeded to blow the lug off the barrel. Found a parts gun on GB and replaced the barrel and slide, and a few small parts that were lost, shoots perfect now. My LGS had a presidents day sale with no sales tax, they had a Springfield SA-35 for below MSRP and I bought it.
Very happy with the SA-35 for accuracy and fit/finish.
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I think that the HP is one of the best-fitting guns that I have ever held or shot, and have owned more than one. When I was in the sandbox in 2005-6, we sometimes worked with the RAAF Combat Controllers. The Aussies were in the process of switching over from the HP to the Glock 17 at the time. Thier HPs were military-grade FN-made guns, and nothing to write home about. The older Airmen preferred the HP, while the younger ones generally preferred the Glock. For personal enjoyment, I would take the HP any day! To drag through the sand, I would take the Glock.
The advertising hype "Glock Perfection" was probably the all time biggest con game to ever hoodwink the public.

The Glock has a very weak ignition system compared to the bone crushing hammer blow of a High Power. "Disbelieve me?? Then try my "High Primer Test". I took 3 Glocks and 1 Walther P99 (also a pre-loaded striker fired gun like the Glocks). I took an empty case, no bullet, no gun powder, only a live primer and then seated that primer high. All 3 Glocks and the Walther P99 all failed the test on the same primer 3 times in a row. Now that was shocking. I tested out the High Power and about 10 other "Hammer Fired" Military Pistols and every one of them drove the high primer down into its pocket, crushed it and it fired off on the first try. Now that is the High Power's bone crushing ignition.

And by the way if you try this test make damn sure you have "safety glasses" on as when you close the slide even gently (as you should) the primer could explode before the slide is closed. No, "this is "not" a completely safe test to conduct but it will prove that the Glock has a very weak ignition system and so does most other pre-loaded striker fired weapons because they are not at "full cock". Why to you think the U.S. Army's plasticky pistol the Sig has a "full cock striker" and not a pre-loaded one. Its because pre-loaded ignition systems are not at full cock resulting in a far weaker ignition system.

I remember reading about a German Police pistol test and all of the pre-loaded striker fired pistols failed the ignition test so the Germans had to modify the qualifications to get them to pass the test. The hammer fired guns tested passed the "original" very severe ignition test with no problems.

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If you were carrying a Glock it has an open striker channel while most hammer guns have a totally enclosed channel. The Glock also has a hole in the bottom of the grip which is a super highway right to the open striker shannel for dirt and debris to settle into. Also if the Glock was frozen or dirty or had too much lube and the lube got stiff from the cold you now have a pistol that is probably going to fail to fire. Not so the Hammer fired gun with its enclosed firing pin channel and its bone crushing ignition system.

I might also add that factory ammo is not always perfect and I have encountered high primers in factory ammo, it's very rare but does happen.

Early Glock 19's also suffered from broken trigger return springs.

There were also extractor issues on earlier Glock pistols.

The ends of the barrels that broke and fell off on the ported barrel target Model Glocks.

There were other problems as well like passive firing pin safeties that failed to work.

Slides that fell off of their frames when dropped.

Plasticky Glock magazines that flew apart when dropped on concrete (the retention method on the floor plate was later changed).

Glock always called their "recalls" "upgrades" thinking that the average Glock owner was too dumb to know that "recall" and "Upgrade" often mean exactly the same thing i.e. a defect in the design. Sadly most people did not know that Glock was using a play on semantics because Glock advertises their guns as "Perfection".

I do not hate Glocks I own and sometimes carry a Glock 19 but I was intelligent enough to spend some big bucks and have a factory approved manual safety put on it for obvious reasons i.e. if you accidently snag the trigger the gun accidentally fires off right now because there is no manual safety on the pistol and the trigger safety does not work period. This does not happen when you have a manual safety and do not think that you cannot ever make a mistake and have an accidental discharge when you own any brand of striker fired pistol that does not have a manual safety. Murphy's Law : "If it can happen it will happen and much sooner than you think". Deny that fact and you will sooner than later succumb to "Darwinism".

There is a reason that little lever on the right side of the gun is called a manual "safety" because that is exactly what it does.

I have been handling firearms now for over 65 years and I know how fast an accident can happen. I think that counts for something.

As far as safety, I often do not praise any of the plasticky pistols for obvious reasons but the H&K P30s and P30sk are probably the safest pistols ever made. You can leave the manual safety in the "on" position and then safely rack the slide to load or unload it. You can lower the hammer with the decocker never having to touch the trigger. You can carry the pistol, hammer down and manual safety on making it very safe to carry because its also in the double action mode.

You can carry the H&K locked and cocked but most people will say "No I would not do that because I can see the hammer at full cock and what if the safety got accidentally knocked off?

I then tell them "Please explain to me the difference between carrying a Glock with no manual safety and carrying a Hammer fired gun with the hammer cocked back and the safety "off". I usually get a blank stare and then an answer like "But the Glock has a trigger safety". I then tell them to carry their Glock sometime "totally empty" but cocked and carry it in their waistband without a holster or in their coat pocket all day long and shift the gun a couple of times between the left and right pockets. Or put it cocked but empty under your pillow at night or if you are a woman drop it into your purse. Then at the end of the day or night check and see if the striker let loose accidentally. There is a very good chance it did let loose the striker because anything entering the trigger guard will snag the trigger and push it rearward to the fire position letting loose the striker.

Now tell me if there is any difference between a loaded Glock and a hammer fired weapon with the hammer cocked back and the safety off. There is no difference because both types of pistols will fire off if the trigger is accidentally snagged.

I might add at one time the Israel Army carried Browning High Powers and maybe they still do but they carried them with the chamber empty and when they needed to fire they racked the slide. I must confess when I carried the High Power I carried it with a round in the chamber but the hammer was down. I like most people felt uncomfortable carrying it cocked and locked. If coccked and locked is your bag then carry it locked and cocked but get a holster with a leather strap that goes between the hammer and the back of the slide.
 
a very good gun and a natural "feel & point" for a handgun, just never cared for 9mm thats all, here is the one from 1968 we had at our gunshop back in the early 70s, a T series model that was engraved by Tony Tuscano for us and "Metalifed SS' finish, only problem is our one gunsmith put the 'target' sights on it and to me, killed the "presentation", kept it till just recently, sold it off and kept the Dan Wesson we built when at the factory back then, even got written up in an issue of American Handgunner too, oh well such is life...............still for a 9mm a very GOOD gun in any of their 'configurations/makes'........... (y) :cool:;)

,,,,,,,the Dan Wesson is also a "Metalife SS " finish made well before any of the 'stainless steel models, as the 'old man ' ( Mr Wesson was NOT a fan of stainless alloys in guns, another story):rolleyes:;)
 

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a very good gun and a natural "feel & point" for a handgun, just never cared for 9mm thats all, here is the one from 1968 we had at our gunshop back in the early 70s, a T series model that was engraved by Tony Tuscano for us and "Metalifed SS' finish, only problem is our one gunsmith put the 'target' sights on it and to me, killed the "presentation", kept it till just recently, sold it off and kept the Dan Wesson we built when at the factory back then, even got written up in an issue of American Handgunner too, oh well such is life...............still for a 9mm a very GOOD gun in any of their 'configurations/makes'........... (y) :cool:;)

,,,,,,,the Dan Wesson is also a "Metalife SS " finish made well before any of the 'stainless steel models, as the 'old man ' ( Mr Wesson was NOT a fan of stainless alloys in guns, another story):rolleyes:;)
Definitely agree on the target sites it doesn’t belong
 
I remember when Browning brought in a batch of 30 Luger High Powers. No one wanted them and they sold at give away prices. Now they get big bucks out of them because they are such a rare model.

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I love the Browning Hi Power. I have owned half a dozen or so. The problem has been that I have never owned a shooter grade. They were all desirable collectors. I didn’t want to shoot them.
Now, I have Springfield SA-35. I like it a lot and I don’t have to worry about dinging it up.
 
I do the “pencil test” after I clean any semi auto handgun. Put a pencil eraser down the barrel in the empty handgun and pull the trigger to make sure the striker or firing pin is engaging. When I do this with a striker fired handgun the pencil does not leave the the barrel but it moves half way out of the barrel. When I do the same test with a hammer fired handgun the pencil is launched into the ceiling. They both will go bang but you can visualize the power of the hammer fired system.
 
Way back, during my time managing gun stores in a major West Coast city, I carried a plain-jane factory 1978 vintage Browning Hi Power 9mm---polished blue, fixed sights. Bought used, but minty---magazine safety already removed---feed ramp polished by the late Al Capone at Kings Gunworks to feed JHPs reliably, and it does! Carried in a prototype "Avenger" style holster made by and given to me by my old friend Gordon Davis (RIP). I carried this pistol daily for almost my entire career in the gun business only replaced by a "modern" HK USP DA/SA 9mm pistol when the gun shop owner decided he didn't want his crew carrying cocked and locked in his store anymore...
I still have and cherish this pistol... My other Hi Power 9mm pistol is an FN marked (not Browning marked) gun with the factory installed SFS trigger system imported only briefly by FN into this country. The SFS system allows you to carry the pistol single-action, but with the hammer in the down position---with the hammer springing back to fully cocked when the safety is depressed---a clever way to carry a single-action pistol without the hammer back! This pistol shoots just fine with its more modern three-dot fixed sights and feeds JHPs fine from the factory and it's +P rated!
 

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