Question about ammo for 22 mag revolver

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The first picture is my gun. I started a thread a few weeks ago about it. I took it to the range today but could not load 22 win mag ammo. Please excuse the finger prints. I did wipe them off after the trip to the range.
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Here is the cylinder, It is serial numbered to the gun (last three numbers 081)

Is this a regular 22 LR cylinder with the groove? What gives? 22 LR will chamber in the cylinder, but not 22 win mag.

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this is the ammo I was trying to use. Is this not the correct stuff? It works in my other single sixes with 22 mag cylinders. But they are not OM guns.
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Here is the front of the cylinder:
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and the gun...
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I guess my question is, was this gun originally sold as a convertible but marked as a win mag? Then somewhere along the lines, the magnum cylinder was lost?

I didn't have any 22 LR ammo with me to check if it would function. I tried just now when I got home. regular 22lr loads just fine, just not the 22 mag ammo.
 
If you are in a place where you can shoot it, load up a couple of 22lr and see if the cases split or buldge.
 
Sounds like the factory (or previous owner?) screwed up, and either mislabeled the frame or put a LR cylinder in it. I'd call them and discuss it. I bet they'd replace the gun. And that cylinder does appear to be a LR cylinder, judging from the slight counterbore on the chambers.
 
Thanks for the fast replies. I will have to wait until I go to the range to test fire it with 22 lr.

The gun has been fired, but I don't know about replacing it, it's a nice condition old model.
 
Someone simply put a 22 LR cylinder in a .22 mag. gun. It'll shoot LR's just fine if the cylinder fits properly. Good serial # data here: www.ruger.com/service/productHistory.html
 
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But then how did the 22LR cylinder get serial numbered to the gun? If the factory did it, the gun was not converted.

Will I have to get an OM cylinder to shoot magnums or would a new model single six 22 magnum cylinder work?
 
A Mag. cylinder is bored differently. An OM Mag. cylinder can be found here in the Classified section with a WTB. The length will need to be close. I can't answer your 1st question. Where did you buy the gun?
 
Kevin said:
But then how did the 22LR cylinder get serial numbered to the gun? If the factory did it, the gun was not converted.

Will I have to get an OM cylinder to shoot magnums or would a new model single six 22 magnum cylinder work?



It was originally shipped as a convertible, and the .22LR was the "extra" cylinder and thus was numbered.

:)
 
I bought it from the Cabela's gun library. It was in the Maine store, I had it transferred to Allen, Texas where I bought it. They do have a return policy but I don't really want to return it.
 
It appears that what you have is an early model ('61) that someone probably sent back to the factory and had a .22lr cylinder installed. Then the owner lost the .22 WMR cylinder. You can find .22WMR cylinders occasionally here in our "Classified" section or on eBay.
 
Thanks for the info.

So then my follow up question is, are the guns labeled 22 RF WIN MAG more valuable if they were convertibles? I guess I lose any value because I don't have the original magnum cylinder.

I suppose I'll be looking for a magnum cylinder then, and just enjoy it as a shooter.

Thanks, I'll check out eBay too
 
I do see a few magnum cylinders on EBay. I see one for an old model just sold last night here in the classifieds.

Does it have to be from an OM gun? Are the New Model cylinders different? Some of them on eBay don't specify which. Or length....
 
Kevin said:
Awesome! I'm very glad to hear this. Thanks very much.

Nice gun. Hope you can find a Mag cylinder to complete it.

Bear in mind that a "proper" fluted Mag cylinder should NOT have the serial number marked on it if it was from an "original" RSSMX gun. That said, a Mag cylinder is a Mag cylinder, and a "pencilled" number could be easily removed and the front of the cylinder touched up. :wink:

The cylinder you buy should be the same OAL (to three decimal places) as the .22LR cylinder, or a little longer so it can be "fit" to match.
 
Kevin said:
I do see a few magnum cylinders on EBay. I see one for an old model just sold last night here in the classifieds.

Does it have to be from an OM gun? Are the New Model cylinders different? Some of them on eBay don't specify which. Or length....
What's the length of your .22lr cylinder?
 
Length? I hate to admit it, but I don't have a set of calipers to measure.


I ordered a set yesterday on Amazon, so when I get them I'll be able to look for a proper sized cylinder.

I do have two other single six convertibles with magnum cylinders, both new models, and they are each just a hair too long. If I find something like that I can always get it fitted, I know of a competent gunsmith not too far away.
 
Cholo said:
Ale, didn't the ones marked Mag., like Kevin's, only come with the Mag. cyl.?
According to RENE some of the early convertibles came through still marked "WIN.22 RF MAG CAL."
I would love to see a 'letter' on the ship date for that revolver.
 
Fox Mike said:
Cholo said:
Ale, didn't the ones marked Mag., like Kevin's, only come with the Mag. cyl.?
According to RENE some of the early convertibles came through still marked "WIN.22 RF MAG CAL."
I would love to see a 'letter' on the ship date for that revolver.

Yep, that would be a good idea.

Like I said above, "They actually made a few "reverse converts" with the .22LR cylinder as the "extra" and thus got stamped." A letter would confirm this.

It is also possible that the gun was not originally shipped as a convertible, but at some point was returned to The Factory to have the .22LR cylinder retrofitted. In this case, the "extra" cylinder would have been marked. It's doubtful this would be confirmed by a letter, though.

:mrgreen:


PS: For whatever it's worth, I just measured the Mag cylinder in my RSSM and it's 1.618" OAL from the rear of the ratchets to the front of the gas ring. By comparison, .22LR cylinders from a couple of similar-era RSS5 guns measured 1.630" and 1.633" OAL. There is some variation along the line.
 
Page 89 in the RENE pocket Reference Guide describes the Marking on
the Single Sixes Mag only gun. The roll mark sure looks like one. Only
got your 1st pic the others I was unable to see. You may have a 22 mag only.
I look at mine has the same roll mark. On the left side.
They were made from 1959 to 64 ps

ETA some one swap cylinders on you
 
Not sure what happened to the pictures. I'll go back and fix the link when I get home.

And yes, a letter for this gun will be ordered pretty soon.
 
There is no question that the gun is a "Mag Only" gun, but there are a few exceptions as is usual with Ruger. I offer the following info from Chad Hiddleson (Chet15) back in 2012 . . . emphasis added.

"Ruger’s Magnum Single-Six was introduced in July 1959 with .22 RF MAG rollmark on the left side of the cylinder frame and 6-1/2" barrel only.

"When it came out, quite a few customers began sending their WMR only Single-Sixes back to the factory to have the .22 LR cylinder fitted to them for a charge of $10 or $15.

"Likewise, several LR only Single-Six owners began sending their guns in to have the WMR cylinder fitted to those (but only to guns with sn's higher than 150000 since the bore diameter was increased by .002" with the introduction of the .22 WMR). These "converted" guns can be identified by the last three digits of the serial number stamped on the front of the "added" cylinder in large 3/32" digits.

"By March 1961, Ruger decided that a Single-Six with "convertible" cylinders would be popular, so they began offering it with all four barrel lengths, the first company to make a convertible model. But, Ruger left the same .22 RF MAG. CAL. rollmark on the 6-1/2" guns, considering the LR cylinder to be the "extra" cylinder. With the 4-5/8", 5-1/2" and 9-1/2" Single-Six Convertibles, the Mag. cylinder was considered the extra cylinder. In all four models, the "extra" cylinder was stamped with the last three digits of the serial number in small 1/16" digits.

"Month by month, a gradually higher percentage of Single-Sixes were requested by distributors to be convertibles, so in November 1962 by 340000 or so in the Magnum marked guns, Ruger decided to merge the 6-1/2" with the other Single-Six models and just make them all the same, eliminating the need for the Mag. rollmark on the 6-1/2" guns. When this occurred, only about 5% of Single-Sixes then being made were LR only, and Ruger decided at this time to only offer an LR only model in the 5-1/2" which continued to be cataloged until 1972.

"So, even after the change in rollmarking for the 6-1/2", the LR cylinder was still considered the extra cylinder (as a employee workbench procedure) and the Mag. cylinder was considered the "extra" for the other three barrel lengths, so only this extra cylinder was still stamped with the last three digits of the serial number.

"This all changed about April 1963 when Ruger got ahold of an electric pencil, which probably let an employee scratch the front face of both cylinders (with the last three digits of the serial number) in half the time it took to stamp one cylinder with three separate number stamps. This is also when Ruger began printing in their Instruction manuals that both cylinders must match the serial number of the gun.

"Even though the Magnum Single-Six (.22 Mag. only) was dropped from Ruger's catalog and price lists in 1963, there were a very few Mag. only Single-Sixes shipped from the factory without the .22 RF Mag. rollmarking. These are known from 342128 through 398349 in four different variations, and all are very rare!"
 
I believe that you could order a 22 LR cylinder with the magnum marked revolver. Whatever the case you need a 22 Mag cylinder. You are correct, without the mag cylinder which came with it all collector value is gone. Two choices. Either return it or keep it and add a mag cylinder. Somebody lost the mag cylinder or sold it separately. Nice old model! Dave
 
powder smoke said:
Many of these 22 Mag SS were also shipped with Varnished Walnut stocks. ps


Yep.

For those interested, the RSSMs are pretty thoroughly covered in Chet15's Reference of Ruger Firearms, Volume One, starting on page 36.

:mrgreen:
 

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