POLICE Harassment

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POLICE Harassment

Recently, the Chula Vista, California Police Department ran an e-mail forum with the local community (a question and answer exchange) with the topic being, "Community Policing."

One of the civilian e-mail participants posed the following question:

QUESTION: "I would like to know how it is possible for police officers to continually harass people and get away with it?"

From the "other side" (the law enforcement side) Sgt. Bennett, obviously a cop with a sense of humor, replied:

ANSWER:

"First of all, let me tell you this...it's not easy. In Chula Vista, we average one cop for every 600 people. Only about 60% of those cops are on general duty (or what you might refer to as "patrol") where we do most of our harassing. The rest are in non-harassing departments that do not allow them contact with the day to day innocents. At any given moment, only one-fifth of the 60% patrollers are on duty and available for harassing people while the rest are off duty. So roughly, one cop is responsible for harassing about 5,000 residents.

When you toss in the commercial business, and tourist locations that attract people from other areas, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is responsible for harassing 10,000 or more people a day.

Now, your average ten-hour shift runs 36,000 seconds long. This gives a cop one second to harass a person, and then only three-fourths of a second to eat a donut AND then find a new person to harass. This is not an easy task. To be honest, most cops are not up to this challenge day in and day out. It is just too tiring. What we do is utilize some tools to help us narrow down those people which we can realistically harass."

The tools available to us are as follow:

PHONE: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus on a person for special harassment. "My neighbor is beating his wife" is a code phrase used often. This means we'll come out and give somebody some special harassment.

Another popular one: "There's a guy breaking into a house." The harassment team is then put into action.

CARS: We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive. They like to harass the drivers of fast cars, cars with no insurance or no driver's licenses and the like. It's lots of fun when you pick them out of traffic for nothing more obvious than running a red light.
Sometimes you get to really heap the harassment on when you find they have drugs in the car, they are drunk, or have an outstanding warrant on file.

RUNNERS: Some people take off running just at the sight of a police officer. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a beagle on the scent of a bunny. When you catch them you can harass them for hours to determine why they didn't want to talk to us.

STATUTES: When we don't have PHONES or CARS and have nothing better to do, there are actually books that give us ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called "Statutes"; Criminal Codes, Motor Vehicle Codes, etc...They all spell out all sorts of things for which you can really mess with people. After you read the statute, you can just drive around for awhile until you find someone violating one of these listed offenses and harass them.

"Just last week I saw a guy trying to steal a car. Well, there's this book we have that says that's not allowed. That meant I got permission to harass this guy. It's a really cool system that we've set up, and it works pretty well.

We seem to have a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get away with it. Why? Because for the good citizens who pay the tab, we try to keep the streets safe for them, and they pay us to "harass" some people.

Next time you are in my town, give me the old "single finger wave." That's another one of those codes. It means, "You can't harass me." It's one of our favorites.

Hopefully sir, this has clarified to you a little bit better how we harass the good citizens of Chula Vista."
 
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blume357 said:
The only time I've ever been harassed by a LEO was when I didn't bring enough beer to the party.
I was talking with my SIL last night and he told me about one guy he stopped
that was doing 102 in a 75 zone. The clown called it harassment. Well it
turned out to be the third such "harassment" in two years. Ended up costing
the guy $3,400 for 27 over, on a motorcycle. :shock:


Guess you didn't do 27 over. :wink:
 
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THAT is a class reply! I had the good fortune, many years ago, to live next door to a State Trooper (who I had known since grade school) who rented a room to his buddy...that was a Corporal on the City force. I would occasionally ride along with one or the other. I had the good fortune to see my Trooper bud harass a lady driving Eastbound on the Westbound lane of US Rt 50...at night. I saw them harass a guy that was beating his wife and the neighbors called. On that one they said that if I heard shots and saw them running toward me that I was to get the shotgun and be ready to use it.
 
Years ago I had a long braded pony tail and a ZZ top beard. I did ride a motorcycle some time but mostly drove a pick up truck. Hell yes I was stopped, questioned and had my ID run quite often. I found it funny because I have a clean record.
Sure it was profiling but I did not mind so much. They were wasting their time, but I understood. I never got rude, yes/no sir was the way to go. I had nothing to hide.
I figure some one that looked like I "DID" had something to hide. It is their job. I have since cut off the hair and most of the beard. Have not been stopped since.

I met COL. Daddy in my area once, great guy. At that time I had shaved off the entire beard to see what was under it. Pictures were made and I realized how ugly I was without the facial hair. It will never come off again!

I believe that the police profile and I do not mind that. If I see a beat up pick up with a couple of long hair dudes going down the road.............. I would bet they have been drinking, smoking a little weed and have a fire arm with them, I know this kind very well.

It is not harassment in my opinion, just cops doing their job.
 
Is it grounds for harassment if I admit right here and now that the opening post has been "stolen" and passed along to a couple LEO friends??

Does their reading it make them accessories after the fact and also subject/open to harassment?

Inquiring minds want to know?? :)
Kevin
 
Even though my nature is to Question Authority and I think we have too many police and the solution is not more, I have great respect for LEO's. They are doing a job I could never do.
When ever I've been pulled over or such I have treated the officer with respect.... if for no other reason; the simple fact that with one radio call he or she has 5-20 friends to back them up... the best I will have is a good lawyer in 12-24 hours..... in a conflict the police will always win.
 
There's no doubt in my mind that man is a good Police Officer and a fine human being.
 
Way back before I was of legal age, a buddy and I were going to college and working whenever we weren't in class. This situation occasionally found us out driving around for chill-out time well after midnight in our small town.

The town had a real "Barney" on the force and he had the "after midnight" shift in the town's sole cruiser. EVERY TIME he saw us he pulled us over, lights and siren, the whole thing. "Outta the car, punks!" ID checks on both of us, along with the required sobriety tests. Full shake-down of the vehicle inside and out looking for alcohol or other "contraband". Wrote down our ID info, car license number, etc. I have no idea how many times we did this. To us, it became a half-hour or so of free entertainment.

He finally offended enough citizens with enough clout to get himself unemployed. The other cops were glad to see him go. They actually called him "Barney" behind his back.

Other than those episodes I have never been "harassed".

:)
 
Ale, that reminds me of a State trooper that used to be around here. Back then he did me the same way. He was a Christian and well known as a good man. However he pulled me over many times, perhaps 100. He would approach my vehicle with his mirror sun glasses and his half chomped on cigar and start his spiel.
License...
Insurance card...
"Where you going BOY?"
"Where you been BOY?"
Lean in and smell my breath....
Look in my vehicle while chewing his cigar stubb....
Look me over for 5 minutes and hand me back my DL and insurance card.....
"Go on BOY"

At that point I always said "see you next time Leroy".
I guess that good Christian black man just did not like me.
I truly believe he pulled me over every time he seen me.

When he died the community came out in mass to honor him.
Personally though................
 
In 1954-1958 I was going to College in Ames, Iowa on the GI Bill, renting a farm to earn a living with a wife and three children. I raised corn, oats, hay, hogs and bought Calves in the Nebraska Sand Hills and fed cattle to market.

In those years the Iowa State Patrol stopped trucks on the highway to collect the fuel tax. I often drove my truck to Omaha to get feed supplies, and drove to Chicago to market hogs and cattle. This was before the Interstate Highways and I drove both ways on US Hwy 30.

Coming back from Omaha, after crossing the river into Iowa, the Highway went up a good hill From the Missouri River Valley and at the top of the hill was a broad "pull-off" area where the State Patrolman was always parked to wave trucks over to measure the fuel in the tank to collect the tax. The Patrolman would put a marked stick into the fuel tank, look at the marks and charge the tax according to the mark on the stick. I got stopped and taxed so often that I got to know the patrolman. I remember his name was Mel Hove.

One time, I pulled my Old International Truck up to the hill top, pulled into the tax area, and Mel walked up to my truck. As Mel started to take the cap off the fuel tank, I leaned out the window, and jokingly told Mel, "don't put that dirty old stick in my fuel tank".

Mel put the cap back on and laughed at me saying. "Yeah, I guess you have xxx gallons anyway, so you owe me xxx dollars". The stick never went into the tank that day and I paid the money.

I often joked with Mel telling him that he "had stolen enough money from truckers that he should have retired and moved to Florida long ago". He always laughed back and said that he was working on it.
 
Will, I was in Iowa back then myself, where my story above took place.

At the time, Iowa pretty seriously enforced weight limits on trucks, and had "roaming bands of truck weight police" that carried portable scales and set up weigh stations at random locations. The father of a friend of mine was one of these guys. They almost always operated at night. He had some stories . . .

:)
 
I was harassed once while driving home from work at 0300, 5 miles under the posted limit on a Saturday morn. But you know what? he was keeping us safe from DUIs so I kept my mouth shut and thanked him for his time when he let me go my way. Didn't feel "profiled at all" :D
 
A couple of years ago in Alaska I was headed to a gun show. I knew I was early so I wasn't in a hurry and the highway was slick anyway. Going along I was adjusting the radio trying to find a good station. I saw the trooper behind me but didn't think anything about it. Next time I looked back he was right on me. Then I saw the lights come on. I had just found a station that was working and there was a preacher preaching. I figured that was a good station to stay with. I put my hands on the steering wheel and rolled down the window. He walked up and asked if I knew why he stopped me. I said I didn't. He said well this time of morning it's easy to catch folks that have been drinking all night and headed back home and you were driving pretty slow. You were weaving around in your lane a little bit. I said it's cause I was trying to find a radio station. He said have you been drinking. I said I quit drinking several years ago. In fact I can't remember the last time I had a drink. He said I believe you. I'm sorry to have bothered you. :) We all have a job to do. He did his and I don't have a problem with taking DUI's off the road. I just wasn't one of them. Nice guy.

I got pulled over about 3-4 years ago on the way to work. In fact right in front of work. In Alaska you have to tell the officer you have a gun so when he walked up I told him I had a Smith 642 on my belt. He asked for my DL and I was looking for it and the next thing I heard he said, is it like this one. He was holding his 642 up to show me. I said it's exactly like that. :) he told me I had changed lanes too soon after going through the intersection but wasn't going to give me a ticket. But it sure made a lot of people at work curious about what happened.
 

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