Please talk me out of this .......

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Local store has a Charter Arms Undercover in .38 Special.

There's really nothing "special" about the gun. Looks like it's been carried a lot and shot very little. Has the factory wood grips (I guess) that are kinda rounded off at the bottom. It's a 3 inch barrel. I think it's one of the first guns 'cause it's got a Bridgeport address on the barrel. The s/n is in the 135xxx range and I think $250 is a little high.

However ........ I've got a weakness for little wheel guns. Whatta ya think?
 
It's not a nice little Chief's Special which can be had around here for $250 in the shape you are describing........ 8)
 
Ok, I'll try and talk you out of it but, I'm sure it will do no good.

I am not a fan of "little wheelguns". I prefer heavy, large frame blasters.

As for Charter Arms :roll: ...well, I have always considered them to be a sub-par gun. Kinda cheap & junky compared to S&W, Colt, and of course Ruger. The ones that I have handled seemed like they would shoot themselves apart with minimal use. The "Fiat" of firearms.

IF you are intent on a little belly gun, then why not look for a Colt Detective Special, Cobra, or a 2-1/2" Model 19 S&W in .357 or one of the J-frame snubbies they offer. They will hold their value better too.

My .02. Did I talk you out of it? :wink:
 
RevolverFanatic said:
why not look for a Colt Detective Special, Cobra, or a 2-1/2' Model 19 S&W in .357 or one of the J-frame snubbies they offer.

Hmmm ..... that's more fuel to the fire. I don't have any of those either!

All I've got in snubbie is the S&W 66 and 37 plus the Ruger Speed, Service and Security Six's. I think this same dealer has a Colt Detective too. Wonder if he'd make a package deal on two ....... ?? ...... see what you've done!
 
hittman said:
RevolverFanatic said:
why not look for a Colt Detective Special, Cobra, or a 2-1/2' Model 19 S&W in .357 or one of the J-frame snubbies they offer.

Hmmm ..... that's more fuel to the fire. I don't have any of those either!

All I've got in snubbie is the S&W 66 and 37 plus the Ruger Speed, Service and Security Six's. I think this same dealer has a Colt Detective too. Wonder if he'd make a package deal on two ....... ?? ...... see what you've done!

:lol: Heh, heh...one of those I mentioned will cost you more, but you'll be happier in the long term.

As for me, my next one is a SS Blackhawk 4-5/8" in .357. :)
 
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I know that the folks that have minimal or zero experience with Charter Arms are the folks most vocal at professing them to be "Fiats".

I have quite a bit of experience with Charter, both in .38 and .44. and I never hesitate to recommend them to folks that are close to me when they're looking for a lightweight, concealable revolver.

I've never had a bit of problem with them, and I continue to carry one, fairly regularly.

When carrying a revolver in .38, I could carry this little Charter, an SP101, or my LCR. The Charter is still the only one of these that I carry, for the purpose of a snubby .38.

The SP is a very robust revolver, and it handles .357's, with ease. When using it for .38's, it's a an over-engineered, unrefined brick. And, my LCR? Still waiting for the jury.

Yep, the little Colt's and Smith's are great choices too, for a bit more money. And, they're shinier. If a person knows what they want, and they want to spend a little extra, I will always encourage their purchase.

WAYNO.
 
WAYNO said:
I know that the folks that have minimal or zero experience with Charter Arms are the folks most vocal at professing them to be "Fiats".

I have quite a bit of experience with Charter, both in .38 and .44. and I never hesitate to recommend them to folks that are close to me when they're looking for a lightweight, concealable revolver.

I've never had a bit of problem with them, and I continue to carry one, fairly regularly.

When carrying a revolver in .38, I could carry this little Charter, an SP101, or my LCR. The Charter is still the only one of these that I carry, for the purpose of a snubby .38. In .38, the SP101 is a clunky, unrefined brick. The LCR is still an unknown entity to me, and I'll wait for the jury.

Yep, the little Colt's and Smith's are great choices too, for a bit more money. And, they're shinier.

WAYNO.

X2 . My everyday, all day, carry gun is a .44 Charter Bulldog. It's not a Smith, Colt, or Ruger, but it goes 'bang' every time I pull the trigger, will keep 5 shots in the 10 ring on a B-24 target and if it's taken as evidence in a shooting, I don't have an expensive gun locked up in an evidence locker for however long it takes to get through the courts.
 
Charters, particularly the old ones, are decent little revolvers. I'd take one at that price.
 
Yes, the old Charters are pretty good little guns. We had one find its way to the shop and I sold it to a fellow looking for a less expensive CHP gun. He shoots it some and loves it. Quality is MUCH better than current guns, at least so far as appearance.
 
When I inherited my dad's guns, one of them was a Charter .38 in the box. I fired it a few times as a teenager and remember liking it OK. But by the time I got pop's guns (most were Ruger), I had taken the turn toward collecting Rugers and sold the Charter. Now 12 years later, I kind of regret selling it, though I don't really have a particular use for it. But it was one of my dad's guns and he kept it nice, so I really should have held on to it.

My dad never bought junk. And he never bought prestige. He bought value. Which is why most of his guns were Ruger with the exception of platforms he could not get in a Ruger at the time (S&W M57, M25-5, & M34, Colt MKIV 1911, TC Contender, 5-shot .38 Charter, Win M94, Rem 870, Rem 600 & 788 both in .222, Marlin 783 .22 Mag, High Standard riot 12 ga, etc).
 
WAYNO said:
I know that the folks that have minimal or zero experience with Charter Arms are the folks most vocal at professing them to be "Fiats".

I have quite a bit of experience with Charter, both in .38 and .44. and I never hesitate to recommend them to folks that are close to me when they're looking for a lightweight, concealable revolver.

I've never had a bit of problem with them, and I continue to carry one, fairly regularly.

When carrying a revolver in .38, I could carry this little Charter, an SP101, or my LCR. The Charter is still the only one of these that I carry, for the purpose of a snubby .38.

The SP is a very robust revolver, and it handles .357's, with ease. When using it for .38's, it's a an over-engineered, unrefined brick. And, my LCR? Still waiting for the jury.

Yep, the little Colt's and Smith's are great choices too, for a bit more money. And, they're shinier. If a person knows what they want, and they want to spend a little extra, I will always encourage their purchase.

WAYNO.

+3 on this. I know several folks who have one of these Charter Arms 38 Specials and have used them for 10 to 20 years without a complaint.

IMO Charter Arms made decent, serviceable stuff.
 
5 years ago I broke my neck and my right side don't work so good, when I got home from the hospital I knew that i would have to go back to the big city every once a while, Not being able to fight I bought a revolver it was a charter arms bull dog in 44 special I like big slugs. A friend of mine took it to the range to see how it would do and got 2" groups at 25 yards with it and also their is no lead spitting, Its a great gun.
I bought it mainly because it was a lot cheaper than most others
DID I SAY IT'S GREAT.
 
I'm with Wayno, I've not had a lot of charters but the ones I've had, worked. When it comes to being tempted, I don't necessarily go by outside condition as much as it's tight and locks up well. Then price comes into the picture. Those two come together It's probably going to go home with me. That includes Taurus guns also. I mostly have the big name guns but there's room for the others even if it's just to give to a friend who needs one. A guy can't have too many personal defense guns, at least that's what I keep telling myself. You can have too many they dont' all get carried, or shot, but more is definately better. :roll: :)
 
I have a buddy that has several of the older ones--- shoot great --He has a old one--- like new & the whole gun is as plum as any Ruger I have seen :D I have tried my best to buy it from him :lol:
 
Good for you guys....really. But are you going to sit here and say that side by side, you can equate a Charter Arms gun to a Colt, S&W or, Ruger?

If you say yes, you are not being truthful. And in most cases, it's because you own one. To use a cliche'; they are the "poor man's" revolver, and always have been.

If it makes you feel good to pay less for something, so be it. But I would not waste my money on anything not of premium quality.

Charter Arms is not a premium quality gun.
 
I bought a mod. 36 S&W for $75.00 in the condition you described. Not much blue left but not shot a lot. Someone had either dropped it ir hit someone with it because the crane was bent. I sent it back and had it repaired cost me another 70.00 but now I have a great little pistol at a fair price I think. It's a great little shooter and one you don't mind using in adverce conditions. I'm not saying the charter is junk but you should buy the best quality you can afford if you are planning on using it for self defence because your life may depend on it one day.
 
RevolverFanatic said:
Good for you guys....really. But are you going to sit here and say that side by side, you can equate a Charter Arms gun to a Colt, S&W or, Ruger?

If you say yes, you are not being truthful. And in most cases, it's because you own one. To use a cliche'; they are the "poor man's" revolver, and always have been.

If it makes you feel good to pay less for something, so be it. But I would not waste my money on anything not of premium quality.

Charter Arms is not a premium quality gun.

You're very good at spinning your distaste for Charter Arms. Have you considered writing for o'Bama?

Out of the box, a Python is smoother, and nicer, than any Ruger. So, since the Ruger is not the best, you can not ever own a Ruger, either?

Every type of product is within a spectrum. Most expensive, to least expensive, smoothest to roughest, most accurate to least accurate, heaviest to lightest. If within any spectrum, there is a point which if the product exceeds minimum acceptable standards, then it's personal preference how much above that point the product needs to be, to be acceptable to the buyer, either in price, performance, appearance, or a combination of all factors.

So, if a Ruger is not high enough in the spectrum to meet your standards, then don't buy it. If a Charter is even lower, in the same spectrum, then don't buy it.

The next guy, me for example, sees a modern Ruger in this spectrum, and I rate it fair-to-good for finish, mediocre for trigger pull, excellent for accuracy, and acceptable for cost. Overall, it is very acceptable to me, especially considering the price, and the fact that it will probably last forever. To me, Charter is very close to Ruger, but costing somewhat less. The Charter weighs much less than other Ruger revolvers, with the exception of the LCR. So, for a snubbie .38, the Charter remains my choice. I cannot expect a Charter to compete with a Security Six, or a GP 100. A 20 ounce Charter, that can fit in your pocket, will never shoot as well as a Security Six that weighs nearly twice as much. But, that Security Six is not gonna fit in your pocket, either. Apples to Oranges. In other words, you cannot compare a Charter to a Blackhawk, a Redhawk, or most other Ruger firearms. You can only compare it to a LCR. And nobody knows if a LCR is gonna be shooting as good in 25 years as my 25 year old Charter does.

And, comparing Charter to Smith or Colt? Yep, those two are without a doubt, nicer than my Charter. Does a Model 36 Smith shoot better? or more accurately? Or will it last longer? Don't know. I've never had any of them fail. One thing I do know...When I'm carrying my Charter, under motorcycle leather, I sure wouldn't want to have to worry about sweating on a nice Smith.

Now, I suppose everybody has a point in the acceptability spectrum, in which if a product falls below a certain point, they will not accept it. Your standard is obviously higher than mine. All I know is, my Charters always work, they're as smooth and well made as any modern Ruger, but they're lighter than Rugers all-metal counterparts. I also have a standard on this spectrum chart, in which I will not buy a brand of gun. Taurus, and Rossi, for example, are below this point, to me, and I will not own them.

So, this acceptability point is arbitrary between different folks. You hate Charters, and I like them.

WAYNO.
 
IF I am a bad guy and I try to do EVIL things :twisted: and a person shoots me with a Charter arms Bulldog 44 Special and I've got a hole in me the size of a quarter I'm not going to ask --HEY did you shoot me with a premium gun :? NO :) Charter is not top dollar or quality :lol: but it will get the job done just like a lose, junky, dirty AK-47or a clean tight M-16 :lol:
 
I bought my Bulldog .44 special new in about 1974. It has been my main carry gun for 15 years now. A total of about a 1,000 rounds through it, the only fail to fire was a due to an uncrimped round.

I have had it completely apart. It is a robust design with a strong no sideplate main frame. No problems with the cylinder crane. It is extremely difficult to reassemble.

I highly recommend the compact rubber grips rather than the stock wooden ones unless you enjoy pain.

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I believe the reassembly difficulty without a sideplate! My buddy has one in 357. When he tightens/seats that top screw peaking out from your grip behind the hammer, the gun won't function. It's too tight for the hammer to cycle.
 
In '79 I bought an Undercover .38 that locked up as tight as my more expensive guns, zero slop with the trigger pulled back. DA pull was a dream and it made a loud noise everytime I pulled the trigger. I liked it so much I gave it to my oldest daughter as an extra gift at Christmas because she didn't exactly live in the best part of town. Unfortunately it got stolen :x Lock up and DA trigger pull blew my S&W 60-no dash- away. I really miss that little gun.

I have a 3" blue .44 Bulldog I've carried more than any gun I've owned. It sits right above my computer now. Hundreds of rounds of 235-240 SWC's and 6.3-6.5 grs of Unique. I settled on 6.3. Still as tight and smooth as when I bought it around '81.

I don't know about the new ones, but I sure liked the 2 mentioned above, and they sure aren't junk!

RevolverFanatic, you sure talk big for someone who's only "handled" them...
 
RevolverFanatic said:
Good for you guys....really. But are you going to sit here and say that side by side, you can equate a Charter Arms gun to a Colt, S&W or, Ruger?

If you say yes, you are not being truthful. And in most cases, it's because you own one. To use a cliche'; they are the "poor man's" revolver, and always have been.

If it makes you feel good to pay less for something, so be it. But I would not waste my money on anything not of premium quality.

Charter Arms is not a premium quality gun.
No, one can't equate the brand with the leaders BUT some of the EARLY guns were quite good both in apparent fit and in use. I would be very hesitant to buy a new one. Then again, they are NOT the worst revolvers made either.
 
WAYNO said:
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The SP is a very robust revolver, and it handles .357's, with ease. When using it for .38's, it's a an over-engineered, unrefined brick. .....

WAYNO.

By that do you mean the SP 101 will shoot .38+P's until your fingers bleed and the gun won't even be warm.

Or do you feel it's overkill and toooo much bulk to carry concealed??
 
Phil In Idaho said:
WAYNO said:
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The SP is a very robust revolver, and it handles .357's, with ease. When using it for .38's, it's a an over-engineered, unrefined brick. .....

WAYNO.

By that do you mean the SP 101 will shoot .38+P's until your fingers bleed and the gun won't even be warm.

Or do you feel it's overkill and toooo much bulk to carry concealed??

Well, I guess both, except "heft" is a better term than bulk. This gun is extremely stout, and will shoot .38+P's longer than I have years to shoot it.

The size of the gun is quite okay. The weight, however, when compared to other "snubbies", is just plain heavier, and somewhat less trim, than the others. Then, again, that's what makes this the best small-frame .357 on the market, to shoot. So, there's always a trade-off. What's more important? Shootability, or carryability?

If I am carrying a small-frame snub nose in the woods, with .357's, the SP101 is the best choice for me. When carrying a small-frame snubby .38, extensively in the big city, then it's usually gonna be a lighter gun, along the lines of the Charter, a Smith 36 or 60, or it could even be the LCR, if it survives the test of time.

None of this is to take anything away from the SP101. The SP is what it is...A fairly unrefined revolver, not very attractive, hell for stout, with a really heavy double-action. But, I cannot imagine any other small frame revolver, regardless of caliber, that is as easy to shoot, or will survive extensive use like the SP will.

WAYNO.
 
I think you should buy it. In fact, I have been thinking of getting something similar just as my "vehicle" gun.
 
My experience with shooting a Charter Arms is limited to a 3" blue PAthfinder in 22 lr. I shot a brick or two of ammo through it, but was never impressed with its accuracy. I didn't try one box of each kind of ammo from the store though, so I might not have been shooting what it liked. It was a nice looking revolver though.
 
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