"Other"?

[Joe Chartreuse]

So I recently acquired a 20 gauge Shockwave. I love the thing. I can use it as a scatter gun or a .615 cal slug shooter ( which I can buy rifled.). OK terrific. But huh?

Slightly longer than 26" so not a pistol.
Not rifled, so not a rifle
Not a shotgun ( yup, fact) because it's not designed to be shot from the shoulder
It's not an AOW because it doesn't match specs for that category
It's not a machine gun.
It's not a "Destructive device" because it doesn't shoot rockets or mortars, or grenades.

The tag just says "other"

I love the thing, but what a weird deal it is.

 

[Watertender]

It's a "Who Dat"... you catch someone sneaking around at night and then you rack it and holler... Who Dat!!!! You will usually get their attention and perhaps a soiled pair of underwear.

 

[Mobuck]

Definitely a 'NICHE' firearm but if it suits you, that's good enough.

 

[Busterswoodshop]

Enjoy it while you can.
Biden's ATF just hasn't got to them yet.

 

[Watertender]

I think there are so many that it would be impossible to fully ban. It's not something that you go hunting with but it makes a nice surprise for unwelcome guests wanting to visit unannounced

 

[Busterswoodshop]

I think there are so many that it would be impossible to fully ban.

There are a whole lot more arm braces out there than there will ever be Shockwave's , and they banned them.

 

[bigbillyboy]

"Other " makes no sense as a description .

 

[Rat76]

"Other " makes no sense as a description .

They could have named it Loophole. The problem with loopholes is that they tend to get closed.

 

[Mobuck]

"other' saves a lot of ink and paper.
Considering the language and difficulty of explaining something no one seems to understand, it would take volumes to describe the inferences of the firearms lumped into 'other'. It's an open ended category.

 

[Gopher]

There are a whole lot more arm braces out there than there will ever be Shockwave's , and they banned them.

How many were turned in?

 

[kmoore]

As hard as it may seem, to hit human size targets at beyond 10-12 yards its takes practice. Yes, I was an instructor. Bird shot was used to start newbies. Then on to 00 buckshot. I am talking 12 gauge, 18 inch barrel with pistol grip.
When I was issued a Remington 870 with a 14 inch barrel and pistol grip. Boy that sounds like a great entry weapon. The first practice, I changed out the pistol grip for a full size stock. Yes, you can't but I could and did. Then I had a weapon I could shoot from any distance up to 25 yards and put all 9 pellets on a human size target through a 25 shot course. Fired from the hip until 15 yards. 15 and 25 yards from the shoulder. It takes practice. At close range everyone shoots those weapons high, many completely miss a human size target until they get it in their head point low, really low.
Forget shooting slugs from a short barrel pistol grip 12 ga.
I kind of cringe every time someone says go towards the threat or possible threat and pump the action. That's stupid. 1st have the gun, any firearm ready before you approach a threat. You might just not have time to chamber a round, switch safety to fire and are giving up any chance of surprise by the sound. 2nd if the threat is armed and is willing to shoot, pumping that shotgun may be the last thing you do in ear shot of the threat. Chambering a round in any gun just before facing the threat is TV and movie crap. Yea, it looks cool.

 

[sharpblade7777]

So I recently acquired a 20 gauge Shockwave. I love the thing. I can use it as a scatter gun or a .615 cal slug shooter ( which I can buy rifled.). OK terrific. But huh?

Slightly longer than 26" so not a pistol.
Not rifled, so not a rifle
Not a shotgun ( yup, fact) because it's not designed to be shot from the shoulder
It's not an AOW because it doesn't match specs for that category
It's not a machine gun.
It's not a "Destructive device" because it doesn't shoot rockets or mortars, or grenades.

The tag just says "other"

I love the thing, but what a weird deal it is.

Like you, I also love those "other guns".

 

[the_leper_colony]

"other' saves a lot of ink and paper.
Considering the language and difficulty of explaining something no one seems to understand, it would take volumes to describe the inferences of the firearms lumped into 'other'. It's an open ended category.

I was talking with an FFL, back when these Shockwave-type things first hit the market. Because he didn't know how to list/describe it on the official paperwork he had to fill out, he asked his local (Colorado) ATF folks. Apparently they told him to list it as a "firearm".

As always FWIW, IIRC, YMMV, IMHO, etc.
:)

 

[Joe Chartreuse]

"Other " makes no sense as a description .

I would agree- but that the factory description, not mine. It fits no other category.
BTW- Has anyone tried using slugs in it yet If so, any feed back?

 

[Watertender]

20-gauge Shockwave with a Kmart Boito double barrel 20-gauge coach gun. The Shockwave has a shower curtain ring through the front sling swivel to hang it on a hook. They both serve their intended purpose well.

 

[Busterswoodshop]

How many were turned in?

Regardless of how many were turned in , they still made them illegal , even after they sent out letters that said they were legal.
Then after millions of them were sold , they decided they should be illegal.
What makes you think they won't do the same for these shotguns , if they ever get a chance.
I have nothing against these guns , I just don't trust the ATF especially with the administration they are working for.

 

[Gopher]

I agree. I thought that when the bump stocks first came out and these shotguns. They were/are just one ATF agent waking up with a hangover and an ink pen away from being ruled illegal. The only problem is they don't really have that power.

 

[Hvymax]

They could have named it Loophole. The problem with loopholes is that they tend to get closed.

Literally. They danced between the lines. Remember the straight rifled short barreled AR's? It's not rifled so not an SBR and it's not a pistol etc.

 

[eveled]

Absolutely no interest in a shotgun with a pistol grip. @kmoore had the right idea with his short barrel 870 with a shoulder stock. For obvious reasons that was not an option for me.

I did buy a Mossberg 12 gauge bullpup, thinking I would use it deer hunting but it is too clunky. It made a dandy truck gun for a while though. Before that became illegal here.

I don’t have a picture of mine, but it looks like this.

 

[Hvymax]

Here's my latest HD shotgun.

 

[Joe Chartreuse]

Absolutely no interest in a shotgun with a pistol grip. @kmoore had the right idea with his short barrel 870 with a shoulder stock. For obvious reasons that was not an option for me.

I did buy a Mossberg 12 gauge bullpup, thinking I would use it deer hunting but it is too clunky. It made a dandy truck gun for a while though. Before that became illegal here.

I don’t have a picture of mine, but it looks like this. View attachment 29167

That would definitely work for me!

 

[kmoore]

You asked the question about shooting slugs in a pistol grip short barrel. My only experience is with 12g. No way, we tried it with giant guys. Worse case is they kart wheel out of the shooters hands. Even putting the non shooting hand on top of the barrel and pushing down. Maybe the 20ga will work, give it a try and let us know. IMO, I wouldn't try them.

 

[Watertender]

I have one in 20-gauge so I might try it. I have used Buckshot in it to see how it works. 20-gauge Buckshot is no joke. 20 pellets .25" in diameter is enough to ruin your day for sure.

 

[sharpblade7777]

After reading the last 2 posts I took mine out and shot a 2 3/4 inch slug and a 3 inch magnum 00 buckshot. The 3 inch had much more recoil than the slug. It didn't fly out of my hand and it didn't hurt my hand at all and I'm an old man. I have shot a pistol grip 12 gauge with heavy loads and they really put a hurting on your hand but this grip is a completely different animal. No pain at all.

 

[Joe Chartreuse]

Thank you for your reply. I can't wait to give slugs a try, but am glad to read your description. I would still normally use shot shells, but it would be nice to have the other option if needed.

 

[Watertender]

After reading the last 2 posts I took mine out and shot a 2 3/4 inch slug and a 3 inch magnum 00 buckshot. The 3 inch had much more recoil than the slug. It didn't fly out of my hand and it didn't hurt my hand at all and I'm an old man. I have shot a pistol grip 12 gauge with heavy loads and they really put a hurting on your hand but this grip is a completely different animal. No pain at all. View attachment 29345

I have to agree with you. The birds head grip lets the recoil swing with your hand rather than slam against your thumb and web of your hand like a regular pistol grip. You hold a Shockwave at waist level to fire it and don't brace the end of the grip against your hip. The scene in the movie El Dorado where James Caan fires the double barrel sawed off shotgun at the cactus is as close as I can describe the way to fire a Shockwave.

 

[kmoore]

You guys maybe on to something I never thought about. In my examples the pistol grip was a true pistol grip, vertical down from the action. They may have known that and made those with the bird's head grip because it works whereas the vertical grip not as well. Add the strap to the pump, it must help you control the gun whereas my shotguns mentioned did not have either of those features. Good information.

 

[Hvymax]

Crap my son was one handing this when he was 12!!! I've put the pistol grip on my 835 with 3 1/2" turkey loads for giggles. How "Giant" were these guys???