SweetWilliam
Buckeye
Just curious as to the going value of a o/m 1971 BH 4 5/8"bbl. in probably 80/85%?
O/M 357 value?
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Sugar River
Buckeye
If unconverted, $4-500. Very difficult without pictures.
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SweetWilliam
Buckeye
It's unconverted. I was thinking in the ballpark of $550.
$400/$500 seems kinda low?
$400/$500 seems kinda low?
powder smoke
Hawkeye
Depends who is buying and who is selling, I agree an unconverted old model
in half decent shape is worth more than 400 imo. ps
in half decent shape is worth more than 400 imo. ps
Also depends on one's definition of 80/85%.
Not being a smarta$$ here, just reminding all that it's "condition, condition, condition" and we all have different ideas of what's "nice" and what isn't.
Also, the 4-5/8" guns usually bring somewhat of a premium.
Not being a smarta$$ here, just reminding all that it's "condition, condition, condition" and we all have different ideas of what's "nice" and what isn't.
Also, the 4-5/8" guns usually bring somewhat of a premium.
contender
Ruger Guru
We have had some come up for sale here & were under $500 in the condition you described. They didn't sell quickly. Minty ones do bring the $500-$600 range.
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SweetWilliam
Buckeye
So basically they are valued at about the same price someone can buy a new NMBH 357 at, $500/$525. Unless it's a mint or rare version?
contender
Ruger Guru
Sadly,,, yes.
The 357 was made in large quantities,, and as such,,, only minty examples seem to command any better prices. Now,, if it has the original box,,, that makes an OM worth a bit more. If you have the shipper and the box,, etc,,, add more $$ to the package.
The 357 was made in large quantities,, and as such,,, only minty examples seem to command any better prices. Now,, if it has the original box,,, that makes an OM worth a bit more. If you have the shipper and the box,, etc,,, add more $$ to the package.
lots of them out there, and too many in that condition range , 'Ale-8' is spot on as to "condition, condition" as there is a VAST price difference in 80-85 % versus 95-98% ,that the collectors like and are willing to pay the bigger bucks.....would LOVE to get around $500 for an 80-85% gun, never did , and NEVER will......... 8) :roll:
Yes, the idea that all Old Models are now "rare collectibles" is premature, wishful thinking. There are simply too many of them out there for that to be true.
That said, for many of us a nice Old Model is preferable to a run-of-the-mill New Model. It greatly depends on how much "value" or "appeal" you place on the older guns. They have a certain panache that cannot be matched by the new ones "if you're into that sort of thing".
Another consideration is that when Old Models get to a certain price point that just seems too low, they will get "parted out" and realize more overall money than they would as a complete gun. Personally, I always hate to see this happen, but it's a financial reality in the hobby. The point being that a "$200 gun" will ultimately end up "parted out" or used as the basis for a custom effort . . . thus you can't count on finding one that cheap on the open market.
Getting back to the original point, it all boils down to what you want vs what you'll pay. Situation normal.
JMHO
That said, for many of us a nice Old Model is preferable to a run-of-the-mill New Model. It greatly depends on how much "value" or "appeal" you place on the older guns. They have a certain panache that cannot be matched by the new ones "if you're into that sort of thing".
Another consideration is that when Old Models get to a certain price point that just seems too low, they will get "parted out" and realize more overall money than they would as a complete gun. Personally, I always hate to see this happen, but it's a financial reality in the hobby. The point being that a "$200 gun" will ultimately end up "parted out" or used as the basis for a custom effort . . . thus you can't count on finding one that cheap on the open market.
Getting back to the original point, it all boils down to what you want vs what you'll pay. Situation normal.
JMHO
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SweetWilliam
Buckeye
The more I think about the cond. I think it might be better then 80/85%.
Any opinions? The only real mark on it is on the bottom of the bbl.(last pic.) and a little spot on the frame between the cyl. and hammer,so small it's hard to see.
Any opinions? The only real mark on it is on the bottom of the bbl.(last pic.) and a little spot on the frame between the cyl. and hammer,so small it's hard to see.
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SweetWilliam
Buckeye
And basically I'm just curious as to the value for my own personal peace of mind.
I got this maybe 4 or 5 years ago in a trade for an SP101 and a nice Galco holster that I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with standing inside of the barn.
And I will say this BH is pretty accurate with everything I've shot out of it.
I got this maybe 4 or 5 years ago in a trade for an SP101 and a nice Galco holster that I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with standing inside of the barn.
And I will say this BH is pretty accurate with everything I've shot out of it.
CraigC
Hawkeye
80-85% is not a $500 gun.
Yours doesn't look like 80-85% though. Still think $500 is pushing it.
Yours doesn't look like 80-85% though. Still think $500 is pushing it.
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SweetWilliam
Buckeye
So what are you grading it at? Because like I said the only marks on it are on the under side of the barrel and a little blue wear on the one side of the frame that is about the size of a 1/4 of a pencil eraser.CraigC said:
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SweetWilliam
Buckeye
So bassicly this price guide is ment more for people buying then people selling?
Because most of the Ruger guns I've seen for sale are around $100 to $200 over priced then. Especially rifles.
Because most of the Ruger guns I've seen for sale are around $100 to $200 over priced then. Especially rifles.
IMHO that's way better than 80/85% but once again it depends on your interpretation.
I always think the Blue Book is out-of-date by the time it's readily available.
Chad's RENE price Guide would have that at $450 if in 95/98% condition, which it probably isn't. But I'd think it's at least a $350 gun, perhaps more. Others may disagree, of course.
JMHO
I always think the Blue Book is out-of-date by the time it's readily available.
Chad's RENE price Guide would have that at $450 if in 95/98% condition, which it probably isn't. But I'd think it's at least a $350 gun, perhaps more. Others may disagree, of course.
JMHO
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SweetWilliam
Buckeye
Well hell the price keeps getting lower and lower. Couple more posts and I might as well give it away for scrap metal price. Lol
Gotta remember that the "value" reflects one's "gotta have it" factor. That's a really nice gun. To anyone working on a collection and without a 4-5/8" Old Model .357 it's a good-lookin' piece. If I didn't already have one I'd be after one just like yours.
A benefit of an Old Model in the nice condition like yours is that it can be shot, and with proper care & handling its value will not decrease. A "pristine, LNIB, never fired" gun would more likely become a "safe queen".
A benefit of an Old Model in the nice condition like yours is that it can be shot, and with proper care & handling its value will not decrease. A "pristine, LNIB, never fired" gun would more likely become a "safe queen".
contender
Ruger Guru
Actually,,, in that condition,,, I'd say it'd be worth closer to $400-$450 as is around here.
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SweetWilliam
Buckeye
Alright Alright Alright the price is going back the other way. I like, lol.
Bidding war!!!
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contender
Ruger Guru
CraigC
Hawkeye
That is what I was thinking.contender said:
IMHO, any price guide other than RENE is too pedestrian and probably outdated as soon as it was printed.
CraigC
Hawkeye
Later "eared" Old Models or flat-tops? Sixguns like the one in this thread shouldn't be anywhere near that high. This is a $750 Old Model, a 1958 flat-top in mint condition.Prescut said:
Yup . . . and that price doesn't even address the stags.
Worth noting that once an auction gets going, the price can get a little crazy with a couple of determined bidders.
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PS The selling price is the value . . . for that particular transaction.
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Worth noting that once an auction gets going, the price can get a little crazy with a couple of determined bidders.
:mrgreen:
PS The selling price is the value . . . for that particular transaction.
:wink:
contender
Ruger Guru
Prescut,,, watch the classifieds here & you will see some examples I'm talking about pop up. I know,,, I helped a buddy of mine buy a few here.
CraigC
Hawkeye
Those are Sack Peterson elk antler, I just never took a picture with the factory hard rubbers.Ale-8(1) said:
No, that never happens! :shock:Ale-8(1) said:
Auctions are a funny thing. Sometimes you see something seemingly mundane (even to an educated buyer) go nuts with bids. Other times, like the old Colt 1862 I was watching earlier this week, go for a song with only a single bid. The point being, just because they go nuts over one listing doesn't mean they will over another, even if it's for the exact same thing. They are predictably unpredictable.
Chuck 100 yd
Hunter
Your's looks to be a solid 85% gun to me. With the desirable short barrel it would easily bring $500 in our area and maybe a little more.
