Not Just Ruger With Q/C Issues

[AJGUNNER]

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/524620-made-mistake-ordering-brand-new-performance-center-627-a.html

 

[Luckyducker]

That is certainly not the quality that I saw in my 586 no dash that I bought nearly 35 years ago and should have never parted with. This is the only Smith revolver I have ever owned, but I always held S&W up as a standard of quality. I think the workers of today don't have the pride in their work that the previous generations held as an essential ethic, but I could be wrong. I don't know if these manufacturers are pushing them to reach quotas or what but something is just messed up with it. That would make me want to personally carry that turd back to where it came from and shove it somewhere that God never intended to put stuff like that.

 

[Cholo]

Wow! What a mess that Performance Center gun is :shock:

I made the mistake of sending a Smith back once. It was the last new Smith I ever bought, the last year of the blue 6 1/2" M-29 Classic, 1994. It shot like a dream with a scope, the BCG was a tight .002 and caused no problems. The crane to frame fit was terrible! To this day I've never seen one with a larger gap. I should have left well enough alone, but NoooOOOooo, I had to send it back and asked that the BCG not be changed.

Well, I got it back. The entire right side of the gun was all scratched up like it was worked on on top of metal shavings, the BCG was now .012, and the crane fit still sucked. I called and was not happy. Off it went gain and they re-blued it, the BCG was about .006 and the crane fit was better but still just so-so. It still shot like a dream! So for all the effort, I got a re-blued gun, a better crane fit and I lost .004 BCG. I with I'd have never sent it in

I just hope the guy is satisfied with his gun when it's returned. That sure is a lot of work they'll have to do. I think they simply owe him a new gun that's right. I'll follow that thread to see how it shakes out.

 

[GeezerD]

That is certainly not the quality that I saw in my 586 no dash that I bought nearly 35 years ago and should have never parted with. This is the only Smith revolver I have ever owned, but I always held S&W up as a standard of quality. I think the workers of today don't have the pride in their work that the previous generations held as an essential ethic, but I could be wrong. I don't know if these manufacturers are pushing them to reach quotas or what but something is just messed up with it. That would make me want to personally carry that turd back to where it came from and shove it somewhere that God never intended to put stuff like that.

I spent a lot of years in manufacturing, mostly aerospace and automotive tooling. Even though the customers demanded that our work be held to very precise dimensions, the end product could vary in quality depending on production standards. Most companies went to statistical analysis to determine how many quality issues could be had without losing profits. The individual worker has very little influence anymore as most of the skill is built into the machinery and processes used. That way, they can get by with $9.00/hr employees that require a minimum of training.

So somebody determines that 5 failures out of every 100 units is acceptable except to the 5 poor slobs that end up with one of the bad ones. And of course, the one that makes that decision has enough sacrificial lambs under him to where he won't have to take any heat. Rant over -------------- GeezerD

 

[ProfessorWes]

That would be unacceptable on a regular production gun, let alone a Performance Center piece. Yikes.

 

[Mus408]

I'm a member over there and have be reading a lot of bad QC from S&W. Seems they use the customer as Quality Control. I only own two Smiths and latest one built is from 1989 and the other 1976 both really nice revolvers!

 

[BrotherInArms]

S&W's QC during the entire lifespan of the M&P line (of handguns, at least) has left much to be desired, IMO. I've almost twice gone with an M&P auto-loader, only to shy away at the last moment.

Unfortunately, my selection instead of a Shield turned out to be questionable: A "Walther" PPS M2. Then these two threads popped up: PPS M2 Barrel Peened near feed ramp? and PPQ M2 45 with Pitted Barrel - Walthers Response: It shouldn't cause issues. And others. So take comfort: While Ruger may have the occasional problem, at least they acknowledge and fix them. It could be worse.

I did finally purchase a S&W M&P: A 15-22. Next thing I know S&W M&P 15/22 Rifles BANNED at Appleseed Events Due to Run Away and Out of Battery Firing Not certain what the status of this one is, currently.

 

[contender]

"I'm a member over there and have be reading a lot of bad QC from S&W. Seems they use the customer as Quality Control."

Gee,,, seems I've heard that a lot around here about Rugers!

 

[gunman42782]

I worked in a very large gun shop for 7 years. I can count on one hand how many Rugers we sent back. And some of those I still blame on the customer (for example, this guy had a SR40 he said would jam. I took it out to the range and shot two mags full through it as fast as I could and it never missed a beat. He was limp wristing it, but didn't want to admit it!) But I couldn't count how many Taurus guns we had to send back. Had a Taurus view (the one with the clear side plate) that the side plate was broke when we got it! Had a Judge that when you released the cylinder you could pull the cylinder straight off the frame! And that was just the revolvers, the auto loaders where even worse. Everybody makes a lemon every now and then, but I can honestly say I have never had a lemon from Ruger. I have had some not the most accurate, but never one that didn't work.

 

[buckeyeshooter]

I quit even looking a SW guns when they added the lock and went to Mim parts.