NEW LC9 or LC380 TRIGGER KIT AVAILABLE

[Captains1911]

REV-

I believe the name calling started on your end, go back and read, something about a "fool".

I too have had conversations with attorneys who specialize in this subject, ones on both the defense and prosecuting sides, and they don't agree with your position. Also, there are thousands of self defense shootings every year where no charges are ever even filed, so to suggest that the moment a person uses a gun to defend themselves they immediately fall under prosecution is not generally accurate.

Lastly, I believe Mas has changed his views regarding modified triggers, I suggest you do a little more research there.

 

[revhigh]

Got links for these changed views ?

I'm always willing to read Mas's thoughts. He posted here a few years ago regarding this subject. It's all about not giving the 'other side' any more talking points than necessary.

FYI .... The quote about the justice system was a paraphrase from 'in the Gravest Extreme' by Mas Ayoob ... I only quoted it ... It was not my saying.

REV

 

[Captains1911]

Got links for these changed views ?

I'm always willing to read Mas's thoughts.

FYI .... The quote about the justice system was a paraphrase from 'in the Gravest Extreme' by Mas Ayoob ... I only quoted it.

REV

I'm not sure where I read it. I may have heard it on a Podcast from a person who recently took one of his classes. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Mas's original view related more to very light target or "hair" triggers on defensive guns? There are many variations of modified triggers, some actually make the trigger heavier (think NY Glock), and the LC9 one being discussed here certainly is not a light trigger, even after this 35% reduced trigger length pull mod, the trigger is still very heavy and long, similar to a double-action revolver. It's just not quite as LOOOONG as it was, but still plenty safe relative to other semi-autos when handled properly.

 

[revhigh]

Got links for these changed views ?

I'm always willing to read Mas's thoughts.

FYI .... The quote about the justice system was a paraphrase from 'in the Gravest Extreme' by Mas Ayoob ... I only quoted it.

REV

I'm not sure where I read it. I may have heard it on a Podcast from a person who recently took one of his classes. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Mas's original view related more to very light target or "hair" triggers on defensive guns? There are many variations of modified triggers, some actually make the trigger heavier (think NY Glock), and the LC9 one being discussed here certainly is not a light trigger, even after this 35% reduced trigger length pull mod, the trigger is still very heavy and long, similar to a double-action revolver. It's just not quite as LOOOONG as it was, but still plenty safe relative to other semi-autos when handled properly.

Actually I think it was pretty much ANY mod ... especially to the fire control system, other than obviously inert things like sights and grips. I'm well aware that a trigger job can make YOU, as well as your shooting more accurate, and I understand the argument both ways. Mas even recommends against using hand loaded ammo .... Not because of being accused of having special more deadly ammo, although I'm sure that would be played upon, but because of the inability to 'replicate' things like blood splatter, which could be exculpatory evidence in a trial. If its factory ammo, ammo from the same batch/lot could be used/gotten from the manufacturer in order to replicate evidence, like how far you were from the 'victim'. With hand loaded ammo, there is no way to prove that other rounds that you have are the same as what was used in the shoot.

Realize that I agree with most of the things everybody has said ... The only problem is that how things SHOULD happen in court aren't always the way that things DO happen in court. As I mentioned earlier .... Court is a theater .... Many times the best actors win, rather than the best factual arguments.

Several of my guns have modified triggers .... Mostly my 1911's, but my G26, and my KT P3AT for CCW are bone stock with factory ammo ... All my general range ammo is reloaded. Simply because I don't want any more issues/controversies than necessary in the event that I ever DO have to use a gun for SD.

Seriously, if you find those links to Mas's new views, I'd love to read them. I think Mas's experience as an expert witness at trials makes his views very relevant, since he has probably been involved in hundreds of trials, and pretty much seen and heard it all at one time or another. Have you read the Zimmerman thread here where Mas has about 15 segments regarding the Zimmerman trial, and his take on it and all the players ?

REV

 

[robkarrob]

I realize this is a no win situation, but can someone please explain how if you intend to shoot someone, you aim , pull the trigger and the bullet hits them, no matter if they die or not, how does a modified gun have any bearing. I know the answer, but others know an answer that is directly opposite of my answer.

I am going to use this scenario: It is at night in a poorly lighted shopping mall parking lot, as you approach your vehicle someone comes out of the darkness, points a gun at you, and says give me your wallet and keys or you will die. There is no way for you to escape. You are able to get your gun out from under your jacket and you shoot this person three times from three feet. There are no eye witnesses to the actual incident, until after the shots were fired. No one saw what occurred up to the shooting. You do not know this person and he does not know you. The police arrive and find the subject's gun lying on the ground. You tell the police what happened and you thought you were going to be shot. You explain that you took a self defense course and were trained to fire three times to stop the threat. You gun was loaded with factory SD ammunition. The subject dies at the hospital. You used a factory stock gun, except that the gun had a modified trigger that pulls easier, and the original installed manual safety has been removed. The police find this person has a record and convictions for armed robbery. You have no criminal history of any kind, and no prior police contact.

Please explain to me how using this modified gun to protect yourself is going to change the results of a criminal or civil case. Attorneys can argue anything, and likewise your attorney can argue back against anything brought against you. It wasn't an accidental shooting. You intended to shoot this person to save your own life. The state this occurred in recognizes both self defense and stand your ground laws.

Bob

 

[phototex]

I have the Galloway kit, including trigger, trigger bar, and springs. I haven't installed them yet, and I'm not sure whether or not I shall. I just got back from the range, and after putting another hundred rounds of American Eagle through my LC9, my only complaint is that I'm consistently hitting low and left of my point of aim - sometimes as much as 2-3 inches at 7 yards. Whether or not this is related to the long, heavy trigger pull and/or the trigger's deep break, I have no idea. Since I'm getting 7-shot groups of 3-4 inches, though, I wonder if it really matters. The more I shoot the LC9, the better it seems to work. Perhaps I'm simply getting more used to it. It's a defense firearm, after all, so I'm not particularly concerned that it's not a lot of fun to shoot. If I want fun, I'll shoot my wheel gun. Just making a point here, that's all.

 

[ruger9two]

Went to range today, LC9 worked flawlessy in my LC9. There are 2 versions of the new 35% trigger bar, one has one notch in it, and the other has a stepped notch. Mine has the single notch, and functions perfectly in my 322-SN LC9.

And for me, the improvement in the trigger pull/earlier break MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE. My LC9 went from being the gun with the ridiculous trigger I never shot, to a gun I will now have much more fun with.

I'm going to get the 50% trigger bar, and maybe the short stroke trigger as well, when it comes out.

 

[e3mrk]

I just installed one in My Ruger LC-9 and it does just what They claim it does. I'm happy with it.

 

[EustisFL]

Went to range today, LC9 worked flawlessy in my LC9. There are 2 versions of the new 35% trigger bar, one has one notch in it, and the other has a stepped notch. Mine has the single notch, and functions perfectly in my 322-SN LC9.

And for me, the improvement in the trigger pull/earlier break MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE. My LC9 went from being the gun with the ridiculous trigger I never shot, to a gun I will now have much more fun with.

I'm going to get the 50% trigger bar, and maybe the short stroke trigger as well, when it comes out.

Glad the thread got back on topic! :) I had the trigger bar/hammer modified on my LC9 and totally agree -- it makes a HUGE difference in trigger pull.

And now, to get it back off-topic. I bought the LC9 because I happened to see it in the case as I was paying for a Springfield XD subcompact 9mm. I liked the looks and feel of the LC9 and ended up buying it as well as the Springfield. I'm as much of a collector as a shooter, but still like to shoot what I buy. I'm retired and before I die I'm doing my best to spend the the kids' inheritance on firearms, which, to my wife's consternation, I do very often. The Galloway mod turned a nice little gun-safe warmer into a great little shooter. As long as I (and others) are happy with it I really don't see why anyone else should care. :)

 

[kendak]

the only thing wrong with this thread is that Galloway is out of stock on the trigger kits & no BO date !

 

[EustisFL]

the only thing wrong with this thread is that Galloway is out of stock on the trigger kits & no BO date !

I wrote Eric Galloway for a friend asking if he's still doing the trigger bar/hammer mods on customer-supplied parts. I'll post his response here if/when he responds.

 

[robkarrob]

The original Galloway trigger bar and hammer mods. provides the best results. It reduces the pull distance in half, removes nearly all take-up, and moves the break point forward 1/2 inch. The problem is that unless you have a source for a hammer and trigger bar, you have to modify your stocks parts. This is not really an issue, as you likely would never want to go back to the stock pull. The issue is if you ever needed to send your gun in to Ruger for repair, you would not have the parts to revert it back to the stock condition.

Video of my my LC9 with the original Galloway kit installed. The trigger over-travel stop is not pretty, but it is very effective. The video is an extreme close up, but from a few feet away, it can not be seen. Besides this is not a show gun, and no one, other than myself, sees this concealed gun. I have also modified the trigger shape, and made many internal modifications. Note that this video is showing the modified hammer and trigger bar kit, and is not the current 35% reduced trigger bar.

Video link: http://youtu.be/G6fUiErOGdA

 

[EustisFL]

the only thing wrong with this thread is that Galloway is out of stock on the trigger kits & no BO date !

I wrote Eric Galloway for a friend asking if he's still doing the trigger bar/hammer mods on customer-supplied parts. I'll post his response here if/when he responds.

Got a reply from Mr. Galloway today. He says he's going to put the option to modify user-supplied parts back up on his web site.

BTW, it only took a week from putting my parts in the mail to getting them back from Galloway, so you shouldn't be without your LC9 for very long.

 

[revhigh]

Out of curiosity .... why do you guys think Ruger doesn't supply the guns configured with these parts, or parts that give the same results ?

REV

 

[EustisFL]

Out of curiosity .... why do you guys think Ruger doesn't supply the guns configured with these parts, or parts that give the same results ?

REV

I expect for the same reason they put the external safety, loaded chamber indicator, and magazine disconnect on them -- freakin' lawyers! :)

For the record, my LC9 had a trigger pull length fairly close to that of my LCR revolver, with a trigger pull weight that's slightly heavier than the revolver. And for the life of me I can't find any of that useless crap on the revolver! :roll:

 

[e3mrk]

Ruger wont sell a lot of parts to the public,I tried to buy a new barrel for My GP-100 and thats one of the parts I cant buy without shipping the gun to Ruger.
It is making Me think about not buying any more Rugers.

 

[revhigh]

Out of curiosity .... why do you guys think Ruger doesn't supply the guns configured with these parts, or parts that give the same results ?

REV

I expect for the same reason they put the external safety, loaded chamber indicator, and magazine disconnect on them -- freakin' lawyers! :)

And safety ... Ruger designed the gun ... They know what works, and what may be unsafe. They know how the parts all interact better than anybody else. They've tested exhaustively for safety, function, and reliability. Lawyers aren't ALWAYS a bad idea .... They can keep you out of prison ...

REV

 

[revhigh]

Ruger wont sell a lot of parts to the public,I tried to buy a new barrel for My GP-100 and thats one of the parts I cant buy without shipping the gun to Ruger.
It is making Me think about not buying any more Rugers.

Why did you need a new barrel ?

If you just wanted a different length, why not just buy the gun with the length barrel that you wanted ?

Ruger is damned if they do, and damned if they don't with some of you guys. You want them to sell all the parts of the gun a la carte, but if something happened ... You'd all be saying ... Hey ... Why'd they sell it to me then ?

REV

 

[EustisFL]

Out of curiosity .... why do you guys think Ruger doesn't supply the guns configured with these parts, or parts that give the same results ?

REV

I expect for the same reason they put the external safety, loaded chamber indicator, and magazine disconnect on them -- freakin' lawyers! :)

And safety ... Ruger designed the gun ... They know what works, and what may be unsafe. They know how the parts all interact better than anybody else. They've tested exhaustively for safety, function, and reliability. Lawyers aren't ALWAYS a bad idea .... They can keep you out of prison ...

REV

Lol, firearms design isn't rocket science by a long shot. They're relatively simple mechanical devices. Take one apart and you can see EXACTLY how they function and the purpose of every part. If Ruger or any other manufacturer made a PERFECT product then there would never be any need for them to bring out new products or new models of existing ones. A little common sense, which admittedly some appear to lack, will tell you if a modification is safe or not. I've been personally modifying my firearms for close to 50 years, and especially so back when I shot competitively, and have never had a single safety issue with anything I've done.

You worry about legal issues which most probably will never arise -- I'll worry about having a working firearm that I have faith in.:)

 

[revhigh]

I'll worry about having a working firearm that I have faith in.:)

What factory stock firearms have you ever had that didn't 'work' as you allude to ?

I've never had one ....

REV

 

[robkarrob]

I don't think the issue is the factory stock gun did not function properly. The issue is the gun did not function to the liking of the owner. That is why there are so many companies that manufacture aftermarket parts. There is a big demand for parts and accessories that will change the gun, more to the liking of the owner.

I purchased the LC9, after reading several recommendations from gun magazines (when the LC9 first came out). When the gun arrived, I knew it had a long pull, but until I actually took it to the range, I did not realize just how long and deep breaking the pull was. It was so bad, it made it difficult to shoot well, and I am an accurate shooter, with many years experience. Thank you Galloway Precision, for you original trigger kit. It shortened the pull length by half, and most important, it move the trigger break point forward 1/2 inch.

Bob

 

[EustisFL]

I'll worry about having a working firearm that I have faith in.:)

What factory stock firearms have you ever had that didn't 'work' as you allude to ?

I've never had one ....

REV

Ruger LC9. Works fine now, thank you. :)

And don't forget the S&W Shield and Springfield Armory XDs, both of which have recently been the subject of recalls. :roll: My XDs is sitting at the factory now waiting to be "fixed."

 

[EustisFL]

I'll worry about having a working firearm that I have faith in.:)

What factory stock firearms have you ever had that didn't 'work' as you allude to ?

I've never had one ....

REV

Ruger LC9. Works fine now, thank you. :)

And before REV comes back to ask HOW it didn't "work" for me I'll explain. I have large hands, and I also have some arthritis in my hands. If I didn't keep the ball of my finger centered on the LC9's trigger the gun's smooth trigger would slide to the first joint of my trigger finger. My finger is just the right length that if that happened I couldn't pull the trigger that last fraction of an inch, literally locking the weapon up for me. I'd have to release the trigger and reset my finger and try again. Therefore, the LC9, as it was, did not "work" FOR ME. The Galloway mod fixed this and the LC9 is now "working" for me.

Also, when I said I "having a working firearm that I have faith in" I meant stock OR modified. I would never carry the modified LC9 if I had any doubt that it would work as intended when I pull the trigger. THAT'S a working firearm that I have faith in! [And yes Ms. Clayton (my gradeschool English teacher), I know I ended a sentence with a preposition and I apologize! :mrgreen: ]

 

[revhigh]

Glad it works for you now.

REV

 

[e3mrk]

It's like buying a Car and finding out You have to send it back to the Factory to replace a bad Wheel Bearing.
If a Company sells a Product I should be able to purchase replacement parts when needed without sending the thing in for repairs.
I purchased My LC-9 with the intention of it being My CCW Pistol but with the way the trigger worked it would have been a safe Queen or sold as it was not reliable enough to carry but with the new Trigger Bar I have no problems with carrying it now.

 

[kendak]

the only thing wrong with this thread is that Galloway is out of stock on the trigger kits & no BO date !

I wrote Eric Galloway for a friend asking if he's still doing the trigger bar/hammer mods on customer-supplied parts. I'll post his response here if/when he responds.

Got a reply from Mr. Galloway today. He says he's going to put the option to modify user-supplied parts back up on his web site.

BTW, it only took a week from putting my parts in the mail to getting them back from Galloway, so you shouldn't be without your LC9 for very long.[/qu

thanks for the info but I'm going to wait until Mr. Galloway has a "kit" trigger/hammer/bar & buy the complete unit ..btw; the LC9 is not that bad with the stock trigger I can shoot 3" gps. all day long at 20yrs. offhand with 65yr old eyes...tried the S&W Bodyguard, XDS .45 & DB 9 & the LC9 beats them all..400rds through it so far without a hickup...take care 8)

 

[area338]

Does this mod really help much? I use the LC9 for a CCW pistol but I went to the range Saturday and could not hit the paper at 20 feet with more than 1 of 5 rounds with the LC9. I did just fine with my SIG 228 and my Walther P22. I think if I needed the LC9 that I would be better off throwing it at the attacker than shooting it. I am not new to shooting but just cant shoot this LC9! I think the Long stiff trigger pull causes me to shoot very low. Anyone want a LC9? I think that I want to get the XDS9.

I installed the new trigger bar (35% reduction) and reduced power firing pin spring and I am totally happy with this kit. In fact I am going to keep it like this and not install the 50% reduction kit. What this kit did was take away the stacking at he end of the trigger pull. I can now hit the proverbial broad side of a barn now...LOL!It's worth it IMHO.

 

[Captains1911]

Does this mod really help much? I use the LC9 for a CCW pistol but I went to the range Saturday and could not hit the paper at 20 feet with more than 1 of 5 rounds with the LC9. I did just fine with my SIG 228 and my Walther P22. I think if I needed the LC9 that I would be better off throwing it at the attacker than shooting it. I am not new to shooting but just cant shoot this LC9! I think the Long stiff trigger pull causes me to shoot very low. Anyone want a LC9? I think that I want to get the XDS9.

I installed the new trigger bar (35% reduction) and reduced power firing pin spring and I am totally happy with this kit. In fact I am going to keep it like this and not install the 50% reduction kit. What this kit did was take away the stacking at he end of the trigger pull. I can now hit the proverbial broad side of a barn now...LOL!It's worth it IMHO.

It's not a "reduced power firing pin spring," it's just a shorter firing pin return spring that allows the firing pin to protrude further through breach face, to solve the light strike issues some were experiencing with earlier models. In a sense it's actually an "increased power spring."