Need Help with SR9 for competition use!

[uspsashooter]

Hi y'all,
I use my SR9 and I was looking for a way to maximize the little bit of time I get to do dry-firing etc. I'm looking for a way to dry fire my gun without the slide going to slide-lock after I pull the trigger everytime. Does anyone know of a way to do this? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
SR9Shooter

 

[GrumpyOldFart]

Best idea I can think of is to remove the mag and the mag disconnect. My SR9c will reset the trigger and firing pin with minimal slide movement, so it may work if you don't pull the slide all the way back. Oh, could use snap caps too.

 

[Gizmo42]

snap caps and just pull the slide back a little bit. Only takes about 1/4-1/2" for the trigger and striker to reset.

 

[Cheesewhiz]

I'm not sure how much you'll get out of dry firing any striker fired gun. You can work on you and the gun but it really won't do that much with the gun's trigger. It isn't a hammer fired gun and because of that there really isn't much camming action going on or possible smoothing out of contact surfaces. Live firing a striker fired gun does change the trigger somewhat but dry firng doesn't put the same force on the whole gun as shooting it. I really don't think dry firing a hammer fired gun helps the trigger that much either, it mostly just gets you better with the trigger as well.

 

[uspsashooter]

I'm not sure how much you'll get out of dry firing any striker fired gun. You can work on you and the gun but it really won't do that much with the gun's trigger. It isn't a hammer fired gun and because of that there really isn't much camming action going on or possible smoothing out of contact surfaces. Live firing a striker fired gun does change the trigger somewhat but dry firng doesn't put the same force on the whole gun as shooting it. I really don't think dry firing a hammer fired gun helps the trigger that much either, it mostly just gets you better with the trigger as well.

It's not about changing the trigger its about trigger control. You're obviously not a competition shooter and don't know the benefits of dry-firing.

 

[Cheesewhiz]

I'm not sure how much you'll get out of dry firing any striker fired gun. You can work on you and the gun but it really won't do that much with the gun's trigger. It isn't a hammer fired gun and because of that there really isn't much camming action going on or possible smoothing out of contact surfaces. Live firing a striker fired gun does change the trigger somewhat but dry firng doesn't put the same force on the whole gun as shooting it. I really don't think dry firing a hammer fired gun helps the trigger that much either, it mostly just gets you better with the trigger as well.

It's not about changing the trigger its about trigger control. You're obviously not a competition shooter and don't know the benefits of dry-firing.

Now that is damn funny. Most of the time I hear or read about dry firing by someone on a forum, the poster is looking for a twofold payoff, lighter trigger, better trigger control. In fact it is called the "25 cent" trigger job all over the internet.

I wish you luck, I like my SR9 just fine, it would not be the first of my pistols I would take to a match.

....and I have shot a few matches, maybe more.

 

[Grendel]

One thing you can do it take a small piece of business card or piece of plastic of similar thickness and place it in the ejection port between the end of the barrel and the breech face. However, since this puts the gun slightly out of battery, you won't be moving the striker, so you won't have the true feel of the trigger press. You will be able to pull the trigger through the full range of travel, but there'd pretty much be no resistance.

It's useful, depending on what exactly you want to work on.

-JT

 

[ArmedinAZ]

I'm not sure how much you'll get out of dry firing any striker fired gun. You can work on you and the gun but it really won't do that much with the gun's trigger. It isn't a hammer fired gun and because of that there really isn't much camming action going on or possible smoothing out of contact surfaces. Live firing a striker fired gun does change the trigger somewhat but dry firng doesn't put the same force on the whole gun as shooting it. I really don't think dry firing a hammer fired gun helps the trigger that much either, it mostly just gets you better with the trigger as well.

You're obviously not a competition shooter and don't know the benefits of dry-firing.

Now that's funny right there. You should get to know who you're talking to before you slap off a snap shot.... :?

 

[Yosemite Sam]

Great way to introduce yourself to the forum right there, let me tell you.

-- Sam

 

[NixieTube]

I haven't tried it, but one way to do it without any kind of destruction might be:

Take one of your 2 magazines and disassemble according to Josh's instructions. Reassemble the magazine without the follower and the spring. Insert magazine. Dry fire gun.

It's the magazine follower pushing up on the slide lock that causes it to lock. If you take out the follower (or find some way to stop it from engaging the slide lock without damaging it) you should be able to dry fire the gun without slide lock occuring and without taking apart the slide, removing the mag. disconnect (which works off of one of the back corners of the magazine) or even touching the slide lock itself internally.

Caveat: I haven't tried this and don't know if it works, but it seems like it should.

You could even purchase a separate magazine specifically for dry firing if this works. Good luck.

 

[NixieTube]

In fact you don't even have to disassemble the magazine.

I just made it work with a small, rolled up piece of paper inserted next to the magazine follower just enough to keep the front end of the magazine follower down. Very easy, and very easy to remove: you make a little paper shim and insert it between the follower and the magazine body while pushing the follower down to the point that it won't engage the slide lock.

Take a small piece of paper and carefully fold it so that it's about 3/32" thick and about 1/4" wide and about 1" high. Push down on the magazine follower, bringing it to the left side of the magazine (looking from the back of the pistol) and carefully insert that little "stick" of paper into the right side of the magazine, at the front, between the metal and the plastic. It should go in with just a little resistance so that when you take your finger off the follower, the follower doesn't pop back up. You can see where the follower needs to be in order not to engage the slide lock. Then simply cut any excess off with a sharp pair of scissors, but leave enough protruding so that you can take it out with your fingers or a pair of needlenose pliers, in the same way.

It hurts nothing, costs almost nothing, requires no disassembly of anything, and you can dry fire the gun without slide lock to your heart's content. And when you pull the little piece of paper out of the magazine, it's back to normal with no reassembly of any kind required. Everything else works just as it was designed: the slide goes fully into battery, etc.

The only downside, I guess, is that if you manage to push the paper down into the magazine past the follower while trying to remove it, then you'll have to disassemble the magazine to retrieve the paper. Big deal.

A lil' piece of paper on the right side of the mag. follower. That's it!

 

[Cheesewhiz]

I should have said this last night, I'll say it now. You can dry fire your pistol of choice until your finger turns blue and it will only help a little, no matter what your reason is behind it.
I see dry firing geniuses on a regular basis and they suck when the level is above that and they can go home and dry fire some more and they will still suck the next time out.

...and do you know why?

Because it isn't live fire and real targets, they flinch, they push, they pull and they get frustrated and lose it even more when they actually have to shoot their guns.

You can dry fire all you want and it will only take you to the fairly low level above not shooting ever, you need to shoot your guns to even attempt to talk about real competition.

...and that is a whole damn different subject.

 

[ArmedinAZ]

What about working on presentation? Should the trigger pull be part of that practice?

I usually dry fire when practicing at home. My wife just hates it when I shoot in the house. :wink:

 

[Cheesewhiz]

What about working on presentation? Should the trigger pull be part of that practice?

I usually dry fire when practicing at home. My wife just hates it when I shoot in the house. :wink:

From your start to the first shot? Yes it would normally help.

Look, I'm not really deriding dry firing, even though it sounds like it, it just only takes you to a point and if you don't shoot at some targets to check your progress, you're wasting your time.

It is just as easy to develop bad habits when dry firing and spending a whole day at a range trying to fix them.

If someone shoots 100-150 rounds every three weeks, they basically stay about the same after every range session. You have to fire more to get better than that.

 

[Raminator]

Dry firing is not a waste of time. I practice it often. When you dry fire, and concentrate on what you are doing, you are working on developing muscle memory so that when it comes to actually firing the gun, you WON'T flinch, and I don't. Before I started dry firing, I used to jerk the shots in anticipation and not necessarily knowing exactly when the trigger breaks for the shot. After dry firing my Beretta 100 times the night before I went shooting one day, I put all of the shots on target without jerked shots or the dreaded fliers. Nowadays, I rarely ever put a shot where I don't want it to go, and for every live round I shoot, I'm probably dry firing about 30 times.

Again, dry firing is not a waste of time. It is a viable training method to teach you how to handle your gun and keep the sight on target from the moment you squeeze the trigger all the way through.

 

[Cheesewhiz]

Dry firing is not a waste of time. I practice it often. When you dry fire, and concentrate on what you are doing, you are working on developing muscle memory so that when it comes to actually firing the gun, you WON'T flinch, and I don't. Before I started dry firing, I used to jerk the shots in anticipation and not necessarily knowing exactly when the trigger breaks for the shot. After dry firing my Beretta 100 times the night before I went shooting one day, I put all of the shots on target without jerked shots or the dreaded fliers. Nowadays, I rarely ever put a shot where I don't want it to go, and for every live round I shoot, I'm probably dry firing about 30 times.

Again, dry firing is not a waste of time. It is a viable training method to teach you how to handle your gun and keep the sight on target from the moment you squeeze the trigger all the way through.

Raminator; that's a funny name you came up with Rev!

 

[Raminator]

Dry firing is not a waste of time. I practice it often. When you dry fire, and concentrate on what you are doing, you are working on developing muscle memory so that when it comes to actually firing the gun, you WON'T flinch, and I don't. Before I started dry firing, I used to jerk the shots in anticipation and not necessarily knowing exactly when the trigger breaks for the shot. After dry firing my Beretta 100 times the night before I went shooting one day, I put all of the shots on target without jerked shots or the dreaded fliers. Nowadays, I rarely ever put a shot where I don't want it to go, and for every live round I shoot, I'm probably dry firing about 30 times.

Again, dry firing is not a waste of time. It is a viable training method to teach you how to handle your gun and keep the sight on target from the moment you squeeze the trigger all the way through.

Raminator that's a funny name you came up with Rev!

What are you talking about?

 

[Cheesewhiz]

it's a joke for revhigh. somebody accused you of being him a short time back.

 

[Cheesewhiz]

Llsten Raminator, you need to read the whole thread and really read what I had to say, otherwise you have no real meaning, just cheerleading.

 

[Raminator]

it's a joke for revhigh. somebody accused you of being him a short time back.

okay... :roll:

 

[Raminator]

Llsten Raminator, you need to read the whole thread and really read what I had to say, otherwise you have no real meaning, just cheerleading.

Whatever you say man. Whatever you say. :roll:

 

[Cheesewhiz]

Llsten Raminator, you need to read the whole thread and really read what I had to say, otherwise you have no real meaning, just cheerleading.

Whatever you say man. Whatever you say. :roll:

Hey Mister Awesome, you signed on to this forum well before the striker fire shoot out and posted jack squat.

 

[Raminator]

Llsten Raminator, you need to read the whole thread and really read what I had to say, otherwise you have no real meaning, just cheerleading.

Whatever you say man. Whatever you say. :roll:

Hey Mister Awesome, you signed on to this this forum well before the striker fire shoot out and posted jack squat.

Didn't disagree with you, did I? :roll:

 

[Cheesewhiz]

Well you can post the target, 50' as called, any striker fired gun. You know, just for fun.

 

[Raminator]

Well you can post the target, 50' as called.

I've seen this before. No, I don't have a target ready for you to see. And I'm not going to. It's a forum. You come on, post an opinion if you have one, which I did. If you don't agree with me, then fine. But I'm not about to prove anything to you just so you can justify your existence on a forum. Get a life.

 

[Cheesewhiz]

Well you can post the target, 50' as called.

I've seen this before. No, I don't have a target ready for you to see. And I'm not going to. It's a forum. You come on, post an opinion if you have one, which I did. If you don't agree with me, then fine. But I'm not about to prove anything to you just so you can justify your existence on a forum. Get a life.

Raminator, I like disagreement on shooting points and handle them fairly well. People see your posts, people read your posts, people remember your posts. I'm probably not even close to the best shooter on this forum but I would smoke you in less than a minute on a range.

 

[Raminator]

Well you can post the target, 50' as called.

I've seen this before. No, I don't have a target ready for you to see. And I'm not going to. It's a forum. You come on, post an opinion if you have one, which I did. If you don't agree with me, then fine. But I'm not about to prove anything to you just so you can justify your existence on a forum. Get a life.

Raminator, I like disagreement on shooting points and handle them fairly well. People see your posts, people read your posts, people remember your posts. I'm probably not even close to the best shooter on this forum but I would smoke you in less than a minute on a range.

Alright dude, whatever floats your boat. You got your little internet victory here. You're the big man on campus here, and I get it. Bet you feel pretty good about how your life is doing now that you won another internet argument. Congratulations. Loser.

 

[ArmedinAZ]

OK boys. :?

On one side we have CW who says dry firing will only get you so far, if you don't shoot real bullets regularly you won't continue to improve your skill past a low level.

On the other side Ram defends dry fire, says after 100 dry fires he put all shots on target. And continues to do so. Almost sounds like he's confirming what CW is saying. No word if his shooting is improving or staying the same.

Seem to remember CW recently saying he shoots 1000 rounds a week + competitions. (could be wrong). Might actually know a thing or 2.

Ram, anything to add? You seem to feel qualified to make a statement about dry firing.

Myself, when I dry fire at home I truly believe I'd put the shots in the same hole, it looks that good. Then I go out to the range and learn the truth.

 

[Raminator]

OK boys. :?

On one side we have CW who says dry firing will only get you so far, if you don't shoot real bullets regularly you won't continue to improve your skill past a low level.

On the other side Ram defends dry fire, says after 100 dry fires he put all shots on target. And continues to do so. Almost sounds like he's confirming what CW is saying. No word if his shooting is improving or staying the same.

Seem to remember CW recently saying he shoots 1000 rounds a week + competitions. (could be wrong). Might actually know a thing or 2.

Ram, anything to add? You seem to feel qualified to make a statement about dry firing.

Myself, when I dry fire at home I truly believe I'd put the shots in the same hole, it looks that good. Then I go out to the range and learn the truth.

What I can say about dry firing is that if I practice it between range sessions, my groupings are better than when I don't. By that I mean my shots are more consistent. CW may shoot 1000+ rds a week in competitions and he may be a better shot than me, as he so kindly pointed out, blah blah blah... That's not the argument. I'm a better shot than some, not as good as others. What I do know is that my combination of dry fire and live fire works for me. It works better than when I only live fired my guns. No, I don't have convenient before and after pics of targets or the so-called 50 foot proof that Whiz is looking for... I mean really? What loser takes a pic of a target just to show off on a forum? What I can say is that what works for me works for me. Your mileage may vary.

 

[ArmedinAZ]

No, I don't have convenient before and after pics of targets or the so-called 50 foot proof that Whiz is looking for... I mean really? What loser takes a pic of a target just to show off on a forum? What I can say is that what works for me works for me. Your mileage may vary.

There was a shooting match in July for striker fired pistols. 50 feet, 15 shots, that would seem to be perfect to prove your point. I guess I'm a loser that would post a pic of a target on the forum I shot for the match. I suggested the striker gun only format and CW made the rules.

Wonder if the OP of this thread will shoot that July match and post a pic since he's using his SR9 in competition? This little furball got started because he said CW obviously doesn't shoot in competitions..

FWIW it was interesting that not one of the SR9 owners that tout the greatness and high accuracy of the SR9 platform bothered to participate in that match.