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rugerfan100

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Could someone please tell me what it is I am seeing in the first photo right around the cylinder that is not there in the second photo? This is Talo's engraved Ruger SP-101. I see some metal that I do not see present in the second picture. Anyone want to guess what the chunk of metal in the first photo is? Supposed to be the same guns but something looks different to me.

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You know now that I am looking at the pics side by side like this, I see the grips are different also. I guess these are not the same guns but I do wonder the difference on the frame metal?
 
Looks like the gun in the second pic' did not have a "bris" when it was a baby. :lol:
 
So which one is preferable, the circumsized one, or the uncircumsized one, and why?

EarlFH
 
I have an SP101 back at Ruger right now to have the cylinder retention "button" replaced. It is rare for this piece to fall out, but here's what happened. The button goes in the recessed hole in the side of the frame. On the inside of the frame, the tip of the button is hollow like the shank end of a pop rivet. This end of the button is swaged or crimped into a couple of slots which are on the sides of the hole on the inside of the frame. Then Bubba at the factory takes a rotary grinder and smooths down the swaged end of the button so that it doesn't stick out and interfere with the trigger guard assembly which fits in next to the sides of the frame. If you look inside your old model SP101 the next time you have it apart, you will notice where some hand grinding has been done on the inside end of the button. Unfortunately, sometimes when Bubba comes to work he is a little bit hung over. And he grinds too much off of the swaged end of the button. So there is not enough material left to hold the button securely in the frame and it eventually falls out. Like the one I just sent back. And, of course, Ruger doesn't sell this part so you can't fix it yourself unless you machine a new replacement button. The new cast in nub, although not attractive, is a stronger setup and also a big cost savings for Ruger. How often does the "old style" cylinder retention button fall out? I've had two fall out over the last twenty years. So if you've got one of the old designs I wouldn't worry about it.
 
I had Century Arms ship me a PD SP-101 that had been surplused out. The PD armorer (I'm assuming) had just took a disc sander or grinder to the frame under the cylinder and ground off the name of the pd or whatever they stamped on it. Well, he got carried away and ground off the cylinder stop button. I replaced it by turning down a stainless rod and making my own. In that instance Im glad it was the older replaceable one. If it was the new one I would have had to build up a weld then file it back to correct dimentions.
 
The old style is ugly but the new style is even uglier. They should keep the cylinder on the shaft the way they do on the GP-100 and other DA revolvers. :D

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...Jimbo
 
The real cost savings is not in how many have to be repaired over 20 years, but in not having to have Bubba there at all to install, stake in place, and then grind off the extra at assembly time. One less Bubba equals less labor. Same with the pinned extractors. Don't have to make the pins, drill the holes, and spend time on it. The new extractor (ala S&W) is actually stronger than the old.

I have no experience with the new Ruger extractor, but when S&W went to the new one and did away with the pins, the extractor rod with the fine groove in it that was the weak point that required the pins for reinforcement was done away with and replaced with a larger diameter rod with a flat side that fit the opening in the cylinder. This allowed the extractor to become a drop in part when previously it was a factory only part that you had to send your gun back to have put in. I had a supply of extractors from the old guns, and I can tell you that fitting a new extractor to an old cylinder was very labor intensive. I believe the new style extractors are a vast improvement.
 
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