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Well Guys.
I just had to get a 66 in 44WCF the choice cartage for black powder :D :D
I have a 66 in 45 Colt and it just doesn't work. I guess Winchester knew that 140 years ago. Well nobody ever said I was the pick of the litter :oops: :oops:
Now I can make big BOOMS and lots of fire and smoke. Any of ya got 50# of Black Powder ya don't need. Don't make me go to Boston :wink:
Sorry got to go and see if it goes KAAAAABOOOOOOOM not Kaaawack :D

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I think it will feel right at home with these :D
 

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That should make lots of noise and smoke. Some folks are surprised to hear it, but these can be very accurate, too.
 

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Man thats awesome!
I looked at one in 45 colt the other day. Tell me, i have no plans of shooting blackpowder loads. Why not 45 colt?
 
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Joe S. said:
Man thats awesome!
I looked at one in 45 colt the other day. Tell me, i have no plans of shooting blackpowder loads. Why not 45 colt?

Joe,
The 45 Colt case is .006 smaller than most chambers and the wall thickness on the case is thicker. So when shooting smokeless or black powder loads you get a lot of blow by. That is why the Colt case is so dirty after firing. Even with a full case of black or triple 7 and a 200 gr bullet it makes a mess in the action/receiver which means it gets hard to cycle in a match. Plus it stains the brass big time from the blow by with black or smokeless. With the bottleneck and a little thinner wall of the 44-40 that doesn't happen because it seals and does not allow blow by.
My 73 in 357 doesn't allow blow by either.
Why they make the 45 case smaller is beyond me. With reduced smokeless loads it makes a mess also due to lack of expansion. 38,357,44,and 32 this doesn't happen Probably the worst round to shoot out of a rifle unless you like cleaning one IMHO. Mr. Winchester knew that a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time ago
 

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Wyandot Jim said:
Joe S. said:
Man thats awesome!
I looked at one in 45 colt the other day. Tell me, i have no plans of shooting blackpowder loads. Why not 45 colt?

Joe,
The 45 Colt case is .006 smaller than most chambers and the wall thickness on the case is thicker. So when shooting smokeless or black powder loads you get a lot of blow by. That is why the Colt case is so dirty after firing. Even with a full case of black or triple 7 and a 200 gr bullet it makes a mess in the action/receiver which means it gets hard to cycle in a match. Plus it stains the brass big time from the blow by with black or smokeless. With the bottleneck and a little thinner wall of the 44-40 that doesn't happen because it seals and does not allow blow by.
My 73 in 357 doesn't allow blow by either.
Why they make the 45 case smaller is beyond me. With reduced smokeless loads it makes a mess also due to lack of expansion. 38,357,44,and 32 this doesn't happen Probably the worst round to shoot out of a rifle unless you like cleaning one IMHO. Mr. Winchester knew that a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time ago

Jim,

I'm into revolvers these days, but have toyed with the idea of getting an 1894 Marlin in .45 Colt and having it rebarreled to a better twist rate for hunting bullets. I've never shot one in .45 though. I assume if the Marlin had the chamber issue, the rebarrel would solve the problem anyway with a custom chamber. Do you have experience with the Marlins in .45 Colt? If so, do tell what you know :D

Brian
 
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gunsbam69 said:
Wyandot Jim said:
Joe S. said:
Man thats awesome!
I looked at one in 45 colt the other day. Tell me, i have no plans of shooting blackpowder loads. Why not 45 colt?

Joe,
The 45 Colt case is .006 smaller than most chambers and the wall thickness on the case is thicker. So when shooting smokeless or black powder loads you get a lot of blow by. That is why the Colt case is so dirty after firing. Even with a full case of black or triple 7 and a 200 gr bullet it makes a mess in the action/receiver which means it gets hard to cycle in a match. Plus it stains the brass big time from the blow by with black or smokeless. With the bottleneck and a little thinner wall of the 44-40 that doesn't happen because it seals and does not allow blow by.
My 73 in 357 doesn't allow blow by either.
Why they make the 45 case smaller is beyond me. With reduced smokeless loads it makes a mess also due to lack of expansion. 38,357,44,and 32 this doesn't happen Probably the worst round to shoot out of a rifle unless you like cleaning one IMHO. Mr. Winchester knew that a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time ago

Jim,

I'm into revolvers these days, but have toyed with the idea of getting an 1894 Marlin in .45 Colt and having it rebarreled to a better twist rate for hunting bullets. I've never shot one in .45 though. I assume if the Marlin had the chamber issue, the rebarrel would solve the problem anyway with a custom chamber. Do you have experience with the Marlins in .45 Colt? If so, do tell what you know :D

Brian
Brian,
I also have a Marlin in 45 Colt. It is the rifle I started shooting in CAS 11 years ago. Have shot many 1000s of round in it. A very good rifle. It also has a lot of blow by. If you plan on getting a Marlin DO NOT get one of the new ones from Remington. I have heard noting but bad things about them.
I don't know what range you plan on shooting but the Marlin is pretty accurate as is. Now if you are going to shoot fast heavy bullets 250-330gr or so I'm sure it would seal the chamber by expanding the case and you would not be shooting as many as we do in CAS
Just remember that leaver action 45 Colt rifles didn't come along until SASS and CAS. Late 80s early 90s????????????????
Do you get blow by in your revolvers?? Just curious.
In fact if you watch Top Shot you can see the smoke coming out from around the loading gate on the Colt SAA and they shot stout loads.
 

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Jim,

When I run my heavy to mid range 2400 and 110 loads I get dirty brass, even with tight chambers on my Freedom Arms and tight chambered newer factory cylindered Ruger Bisley. As of yet, I've not owned a heavy 5 or 6 hole custom cylinder revolver in .45 Colt. I was lucky enough to get to know John Linebaugh as my first advisor in the big bore six gun world, and have always been a stickler for using quality firearms, so have never used the older looser chambered .45 Rugers much due to his advice. My first .45 Birdshead Vaquero has loose chambers, and too tight cylinder throats, and is at John Gallagher's getting a new cylinder and a bull barrel, (Linebaugh HATES the birdshead grip frame. Says it would make an excellent set of rotor tiller handles though) but even with it, running 21 and 22 of H110 with 355 Keiths, I only had dirty brass, never any smoke blowing out the loading gate, at least that I noticed.

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Yep So it seems no matter at what velocity you load the 45 Colt you get blow by.
I shot the 44-40 66 in a match today with smokeless. The brass came out the same as it did coming out of the tumbler. :D This was with a reduced load. Not a wimpy but a nice load
I had some conversion cylinder made for my ROAs. When I spoke with the cylinder builder at Howells I told him to make them tight because I don't want a bunch of Black Powder blow by. Well I don't get any. Brass comes out clean as new. What it takes to do this. I don't have a clue, but it can be done. :D
Unless you shoot BP and have someone watch it is hard to tell where the smoke comes from.
 
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