My Cimarron trigger pull is too light!

[Hammerdown77]

(posted this over at THR too, so forgive me if you've read it twice)

I have a Cimarron Model P in .45 Colt and just did a Wolff spring kit swap last night. With the stock springs, the trigger was pretty light and kinda mushy, with lots of creep. I mainly wanted to reduce some of the force required to cock the hammer, as it seemed fairly heavy considering how light the trigger pull was. Also wanted to replace the flat sear/bolt spring with a wire version.

Spring swap went ok and now the cocking action feels GREAT; however, the trigger pull is under 1 lb. Yes, under 16 oz. on the trigger pull gauge, and of course now there's a mile of creep (easier to feel with a light trigger).

My question...is there a way to up the trigger pull weight to say 2.5 lbs without adversely affecting the hammer cocking force? Can I just bend on the trigger leg of the sear/bolt spring a little?

I know the creep is a whole 'nother issue, but I'll mess with that later.

 

[tek4260]

Go back to the factory trigger spring and break out the stone!


I'd also go back to the factory hammer spring at least(if not heavier) but that is just me. I like a heavy hammer spring.

 

[Hammerdown77]

To remove some of the creep, can you just shorten the hammer hook a bit like you would for hooks on a 1911? Not touch the face or the angle or anything, just make it less deep? Is that something you need a jig for, or will a feeler gauge under the hook and a file/stone work?

 

[DGW1949]

I'm a big fan of Wolff brand springs. I refuse to use their wire bolt springs though, not only for the reason you gave but also because I've found them to cause other problems on down the road. Nice idea, just not what it's cracked up to be.
At one time, Wolff offered a flat bolt spring for colts and Ubertis. I'm perty-sure that Brownells still offers a Wolff spring "kit" that has an option of either wire or flat for the bolt spring. FWIW, my own Uberti has had the latter in it for some 6 years now, and it's been completely reliable for over 5000 rounds so far.
Simply put....t'aint no need for a wire bolt spring in these guns.

Be carefull fooling with them hammer hooks. A little goes a long way.

DGW

 

[Hammerdown77]

I'm a big fan of Wolff brand springs. I refuse to use their wire bolt springs though, not only for the reason you gave but also because I've found them to cause other problems on down the road. Nice idea, just not what it's cracked up to be.
At one time, Wolff offered a flat bolt spring for colts and Ubertis. I'm perty-sure that Brownells still offers a Wolff spring "kit" that has an option of either wire or flat for the bolt spring. FWIW, my own Uberti has had the latter in it for some 6 years now, and it's been completely reliable for over 5000 rounds so far.
Simply put....t'aint no need for a wire bolt spring in these guns.

DGW

Yep, this is what I'm learning as well.

Wolff does offer both the flat and the wire bolt spring. I got the wire one because it was supposed to be "better". Live and learn.

However, I put the original flat spring back in, with the reduced power mainspring, and I'm still only getting 1lb, 14 oz on the trigger pull scale. Putting the factory mainspring back in gets me a few ounces more, with much greatly increased hammer cocking force.

I'm thinking something else is up, like maybe the hammer/sear geometry changed. This gun had a heavier trigger pull when I first bought it, but it has gotten lighter over the past 6 months, and I really haven't shot it that much (less than 500 rounds I'd say)

 

[Pinecone]

I've had good luck with the "wire" spring in Colt's/clones. What they fail to tell you is that the "torsion" (wire) spring needs to be "tuned" (bent) to the individual revolver. They are "not" a drop in item! Incidentally, they are a fairly easy spring to make and can be made with lighter or heavier wire to your liking................Dick :wink:

 

[Hammerdown77]

I'm close to 2 lbs. now (guess the lube wore off!) with the stock flat bolt spring and the reduced power mainspring. The creep is so long it feels like a double action revolver with a 2 pound pull. Or like a really long roll trigger. Very strange feeling trigger, but I seem to shoot it very well. Might just roll with it like this for a while.....