Mountain lions killed

[Ale-8(1)]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mountain-lions-killed-tucson-arizona-feeding-on-human-remains-coronado-national-forest/

"Three mountain lions found feeding on human remains near a popular Tucson hiking trail have been killed, Arizona authorities said Wednesday. They were not suspected of killing the person, but were determined to be a danger to the public because they showed no fear of officers trying to remove the remains"

"We thought the risk was too great and we had to take action," said Mark Hart with the Arizona Game and Fish Department. "Mountain lions are not routinely scavengers. Mountain lions prefer live prey and they're very good at killing live prey. And there's abundant javalina and deer in the Catalina foothills so why it happened in this case, we're just not sure."

I cannot believe the naivete of these idiots. They want to hike into the lions' territory and don't even know what they're doing. Look at these dingbats. What a waste of oxygen.

:shock: :x :x :x :shock:

 

[gramps]

A mother lion and two cubs were feeding on human remains. Mountain lions aren’t scavengers, ergo the mother lion made the kill! Oh yeah, bearspray is going to work?
gramps

 

[Jeepnik]

Any idiot that says mountain lions aren't scavengers should look for another line of work. Yes, they are predators. But they are not, or are any other predators above eating a meal left lying around, or taking a meal from a smaller predator.

Geesh, where do they find these "experts", WalMart?

 

[wwb]

........Yes, they are predators. But they are not, or are any other predators above eating a meal left lying around, or taking a meal from a smaller predator.......

Yup. All predators are opportunists.

Bald Eagles are primarily known as fish eating birds, and I see them all the time fishing on the lake where I have my cabin. In fact, there are two pairs nesting on the shore in pine trees. But if I had a nickle for every time I've seen them on a road-killed carcass, I'd be a rich man.

 

[tunnug]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mountain-lions-killed-tucson-arizona-feeding-on-human-remains-coronado-national-forest/

"Three mountain lions found feeding on human remains near a popular Tucson hiking trail have been killed, Arizona authorities said Wednesday. They were not suspected of killing the person, but were determined to be a danger to the public because they showed no fear of officers trying to remove the remains"



I cannot believe the naivete of these idiots. They want to hike into the lions' territory and don't even know what they're doing. Look at these dingbats. What a waste of oxygen.

:shock: :x :x :x :shock:

So who exactly are the idiots, hikers or the game & fish guys, all sort of predators are out in the desert areas, my house is close to these areas with wide desert corridors between the neighborhoods for wildlife to move around.

Most people that hike around carry protection, others don't, their choice I suppose, in my opinion if you go out into the wild without a way to protect yourself you're asking for trouble if you encounter wildlife that has diminished fear of people from travelling those corridors looking for a meal (pets).

The mountain lions killed are not suspected of killing the hiker, if they had taken off as soon as they heard/smelled or seen those G&F guys they may not have been put down but since they had lost their fear of man they had to go, which is what is done with all large predators.

Edit to say; Mountain Lion tags are cheap and good for the whole year, most hunters will carry one just in case they see one, I've carried mine year after year of hunts and have never seen one, not to say a lion has not watched me go by, they are very cautious.

 

[powder smoke]

Seen that on one of the news sites. They mentioned the three lions were killed
but absolutely nothing about the victim! Wonder how the victim died apparently
it was not the lions from what I gathered. ps

 

[Jeepnik]

In my opinion those that travel unarmed are idiots. The F&G folks who spout the dribble about lions not being scavengers are idiots. And as a side note, you can't hunt lions in all states. And in some killing one while it's chewing on your leg will still get you in trouble.

 

[Rick Courtright]

Hi,

A couple of years ago I was headed to Tucson and saw a dead cougar (looked young, so may not have developed "car sense" about crossing the highway) in the median just outside of Marana, not too far from Tucson. I told someone at home about that who poo-pooed the idea it was a mountain lion and told me I probably saw a coyote. Being one of several people I've known in my life who knows everything, I dropped the subject, but went and did some research.

It seems AZG&F and UofA guys are quite concerned about the cat population in that area with respect to "land sharing" for lack of a better term. Tucson is predicted to have a million people in the next decade or so, and the small towns in the area are also growing rapidly. This creates the problem. They suspect there could be as many as several hundred cats in the area from a previous radio collar trial. One story went on to tell how the average female cougar needs about 200 sq miles of territory to hunt and feed herself and the young ones, while the average male's territory can be up to 600 sq miles, as he adds "girlfriends" to the picture. Those numbers translate into about 14 miles square for a female, about 25 miles square for a male.

It doesn't take much of a math genius to figure out that even though the desert's large out there, it's not infinite, and the authorities are trying to figure a way to avoid more loss of animals. I'm afraid eventually the cats will encounter enough people they'll become like our problem bears here--people are just an everyday encounter--and the animals will be eliminated.

Rick C

 

[Rancher Will]

I guess it depends upon how you define scavengers. For 60 years, while checking cattle on our grazing areas I have found a number of lion kills, mostly deer. I have noticed that when a lion kills the deer, it will eat what it wants, scrape up debris on the carcass, mostly hiding it, and come back in a short time, even more than once to eat more. Usually within a couple of days there is only enough left of the carcass for birds, etc.

 

[arfmel]

Mountain lions sure scavenge around here. I know a predator control guy who traps them (legal in Texas) in cage traps. Every one he has ever caught went in the trap to scavenge/eat off a road killed carcass.

 

[bogus bill]

In 1960 I was a blister rust checker in Yosemite NP. The job required checking for certain plants even in the heaviest brushy areas. I was literally crawling through the heaviest concentration of manzanita brush I ever got in.
I crawled right up on a very fresh mountain lion killed buck! We weren't allowed to carry guns and that was the biggest time I wished I had one!

 

[Mobuck]

Montana 1987, I'd killed a cow elk 3.5 miles from the end of road and spent the next 3 days packing it out. After day 1, one of the other hunters approached the elk carcass first to ensure that a cougar wasn't feeding on it when I arrived. After day 2, I carried my handgun in my hand the entire trip out after we found tracks the size of a saucer on top on my boot tracks.
A cat that big isn't "afraid" of anything, just a little edgy about being seen.

 

[exavid]

Ashland, OR that leftist, demonrat city has been somewhat been a happy hunting ground for some mountain lions. There's been quite a few trail camera videos of big cats in people's back yards at night. I hope none of them kill any city residents, eating much of one of those anti-Trump lefties would make a cat sick.

 

[Rick Courtright]

Ashland, OR that leftist, demonrat city has been somewhat been a happy hunting ground for some mountain lions. There's been quite a few trail camera videos of big cats in people's back yards at night. I hope none of them kill any city residents, eating much of one of those anti-Trump lefties would make a cat sick.

Hi,

Can you still hunt big cats in OR?

After they outlawed hunting them in CA, there was an uptick in human-cat encounters which led to a couple of dead people. Dunno how many non-fatal attacks there were, as it seems the authorities want to classify "attacks" in a very narrow fashion, perhaps to avoid fear and panic. The rangers had to warn parents at one local campground that "Your two year old is perfect for being the victim of a cat attack." Right size (for food), runs (triggers the "pursue and catch" instinct), and doesn't fight back. If I'm not mistaken, that same campground DID have a previous incident with a two year old but I think adults managed to get the cat scared off before there was serious injury to the child, so it didn't reach "attack" status.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/22/killed-by-mountain-lions-details-of-california-attacks/

Rick C

 

[Jeepnik]

Been a while but at Featherly Park a toddler was
grabbed by a cat. The mother chased it off. Later a reporter, who later became a news anchor, was doing a report. What no one knew until the footage was edited was that the cat was behind her in the reeds.

The cat was so well camouflaged as to be easily overlooked.

 

[redhawker]

Saw this on a facebook post a day or two ago but without any of the facts or news articles posted with it, just stating the Arizona Game and Fish Department killed them for no apparent reason and of course the associated comments calling for heads to roll and threats of violence/wishes of death to the Arizona Game and Fish officers. I bothered to look up one of the articles with the facts contained within and posted it to the thread and all of a sudden the entire post about the evil Arizona Game and Fish officers disappeared.

 

[exavid]

Ashland, OR that leftist, demonrat city has been somewhat been a happy hunting ground for some mountain lions. There's been quite a few trail camera videos of big cats in people's back yards at night. I hope none of them kill any city residents, eating much of one of those anti-Trump lefties would make a cat sick.

Hi,

Can you still hunt big cats in OR?

After they outlawed hunting them in CA, there was an uptick in human-cat encounters which led to a couple of dead people. Dunno how many non-fatal attacks there were, as it seems the authorities want to classify "attacks" in a very narrow fashion, perhaps to avoid fear and panic. The rangers had to warn parents at one local campground that "Your two year old is perfect for being the victim of a cat attack." Right size (for food), runs (triggers the "pursue and catch" instinct), and doesn't fight back. If I'm not mistaken, that same campground DID have a previous incident with a two year old but I think adults managed to get the cat scared off before there was serious injury to the child, so it didn't reach "attack" status.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/22/killed-by-mountain-lions-details-of-california-attacks/

Rick C

Still legal in Oregon but illegal to use dogs to hunt cougars.
https://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources/hunting/big_game/cougar/index.asp

I think wolf hunting will become legal eventually because the 'introduced' wolves have been multiplying pretty good and preying on cattle. Seems the do gooders didn't know the wolves would breed as fast as they are here. Good thing they haven't 'introduced' African lions here!

 

[Jeepnik]

Still waiting for the leader in envirommentalism (or so the state claims) to reintroduce Grizzlies. It's on our flag and the only ones we have are in zoos. I say reintroduce them and let the vegans fear the woods.

 

[coach]

Their is a reason many large predators have been hunted to near extinction in some areas. They tend to end up killing people, livestock, pets and small children at some point along with their natural prey.

 

[Rick Courtright]

Seen that on one of the news sites. They mentioned the three lions were killed
but absolutely nothing about the victim! Wonder how the victim died apparently
it was not the lions from what I gathered. ps

Hi,

I haven't followed up on this, ps, but a blurb on the phone this morning said AZ authorities are holding a human suspect, following a homicide angle.

Rick C