More E bola?

[DA_TriggR4Ruger]

I hope not.



But this looks like it could get real interesting.
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/09/29/dallas-presbyterian-hospital-ebola-patient-isolation/16460629/

 

[GunnyGene]

I hope not.



But this looks like it could get real interesting.
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/09/29/dallas-presbyterian-hospital-ebola-patient-isolation/16460629/

The question they are trying to answer now, is who he/she may have been in contact with before being isolated, and where are they now. Contact tracing is essential, but very difficult to do.

 

[gramps]

Why the heck have they not stopped travel to and from those areas!
gramps

 

[GunnyGene]

Why the heck have they not stopped travel to and from those areas!
gramps

It's not a simple or easy thing to do, because doing so makes it more difficult to control the spread in the infected areas and neighboring countries, since it stops needed supplies (food and medical equipment, etc. among other things) and medical personnel from entering, which increases the transmission rate.

That said, many shipping and cargo carriers (including airlines ) have stopped servicing the area. The countries most affected have lost up to 25% of their import/export business and in-country food production because of this and are teetering on the brink of total collapse, which would really make things impossible to deal with.

Besides, an airtight quarantine is simply not possible. Similarly, why has our nifty border fence, etc. not stopped the flow from Mexico?

This has been discussed on the WHO site, and in presentations to the UN.

 

[RobertAnsonHeinlein]

Ebola is not very contagious unless you are doing unprotected hands on care of an infected patient and being in direct contact with bodily fluids. Or following the customs of washing and dressing the dead, also without protection.

In a US hospital, following simple standard precautions there is very little risk of transmission.

If someone is a possible contact with an infected person, they only have to stay home and check their temperature. If they are going to get the disease, they are not infectious until starting to show symptoms. Fever, nausea and vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain.

In a place with limited medical resources, where many people believe stupid rumors and refuse to seek treatment, where traditional ways of caring for the sick and burying the dead are followed, then you got real problems.

 

[The Blackhawk Kid]

Why don't they quit bringing those people to the US. We can't save the whole dadgum world!

 

[DA_TriggR4Ruger]

Not just bodily fluid. They have shown how it can be waterborne... One of the villages in Africa had a suspected outbreak through an infected well...

 

[GunnyGene]

Ebola is not very contagious unless you are doing unprotected hands on care of an infected patient and being in direct contact with bodily fluids. Or following the customs of washing and dressing the dead, also without protection.

In a US hospital, following simple standard precautions there is very little risk of transmission.

If someone is a possible contact with an infected person, they only have to stay home and check their temperature. If they are going to get the disease, they are not infectious until starting to show symptoms. Fever, nausea and vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain.

In a place with limited medical resources, where many people believe stupid rumors and refuse to seek treatment, where traditional ways of caring for the sick and burying the dead are followed, then you got real problems.

A weak spot that has recently come to light in US hospitals is disposal of hazmat associated with ebola patients. All those sheets, gowns, etc. Apparently there are conflicting and/or inadequate regulations and procedures from at least 3 sources: DoT, CDC, and the EPA . Read about it here: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2014/09/29/341846.htm .

 

[RICHP]

If it is so hard to get how come the health care workers get it? I may never go to Dallas again.

 

[GunnyGene]

If it is so hard to get how come the health care workers get it? I may never go to Dallas again.

Yeah, well Dallas may come to you and the rest of us soon. The guy in Dallas tested positive and was symptomatic for 3 or 4 days running around loose in Dallas before being admitted to the hospital.

 

[DA_TriggR4Ruger]

Well. It's confirmed now...
http://us.cnn.com/2014/09/30/health/ebola-us/index.html?sr=sharebar_facebook

 

[chuck]

Why the heck have they not stopped travel to and from those areas!
gramps

Because the American people in charge of that are tooooooo stupid. Or the muslim in the white house wants it to get here.

 

[DA_TriggR4Ruger]

http://www.westernjournalism.com/breaking-whats-just-been-learned-about-the-first-u-s-ebola-patient-is-not-at-all-reassuring/

From what I read in this article, it sounds like you may be right...

 

[ronto]

Not to worry boys and girls, the Federal Government has it under control just like the White House is the most secure place in the entire World. :wink:

 

[Cooperhawk]

Yep, I still remember how they told us AIDS wouldn't spread. :shock: Please do not avoid gay folks, they're still safe. Yeah, right! :roll:

 

[welder]

I wish I could offer a link or more details on the piece of a radio news story I heard today in a very noisy shop, but from what I did hear was that the latest health care worker diagnosed had never gotten closer than three feet to a patient and his route of infection was unknown. I'll try to find the story.

 

[GunnyGene]

I wish I could offer a link or more details on the piece of a radio news story I heard today in a very noisy shop, but from what I did hear was that the latest health care worker diagnosed had never gotten closer than three feet to a patient and his route of infection was unknown. I'll try to find the story.

You don't have to be in contact with a patient or a corpse. You just have to pick up some contaminated body fluid that may have existed on any surface for days and then rub your eye, pick your nose, or scratch a scab, etc.. See my other post here for more details: http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=211314&p=2112916#p2112916

 

[welder]

Sounds like very dangerous stuff for sure.

 

[Selena]

Sounds like very dangerous stuff for sure.

The world is a dangerous place. Second line of defense is simple soap and water, wash your hands often, bandages scratches immediately and leave the scabs alone.

One thing I noticed in ER waiting rooms was many people would lick their fingers to turn pages on a magazine or if they touched something suspicious with a finger they would then sniff it. First line of defense is to use your head not your habits. Like hot steel and cold steel a contaminated magazine page looks no different than any other page. If a substance is out of place, call housekeeping don't try to figure out what it is...

I'll quit here because I feel a rant coming on.

 

[GunnyGene]

Patient Zero's US flight path is released. Flew from Liberia to Brussels, then to Dulles and switched planes to DFW.

United Airlines is scrambling to alert the hundreds of passengers who were on two flights with a Liberian national who carried Ebola into the United States.

Thomas Eric Duncan arrived in the U.S. at Washington Dulles International Airport on United Flight 951 on September 20, the airline revealed today.

He then boarded United Flight 822 to Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport.

U.S. officials had previously refused to release details of his itinerary, claiming none of his fellow passengers were at risk because he was not showing symptoms at that time.

United Airlines released the details of Duncan's journey on Wednesday night. He left September 19 from Monrovia, Liberia, and flew to Brussels. From Brussels, he caught a United Airlines flight to the U.S.

Airlines for America, the industry trade group, on Wednesday U.S. airlines are in regular contact with the Centers for Disease Control and other government agencies about helping to prevent the spread of Ebola.

'A4A members that fly to affected countries remain in steady contact with government agencies and health officials, and have procedures in place to monitor and quickly respond to potential health concerns,' spokeswoman Victoria Day said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2776786/U-S-airlines-contact-government-Ebola-concerns.html#ixzz3EwHt8Ich
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[737tdi]

Well, since I work in Dallas and on aircraft potentially carrying people with Ebola I am a bit more concerned then some. I work in the lavatories and everywhere on the aircraft. I know a very small chance but still????

They have quarantined the ambulance that they used to pick this guy up because he threw up in it, which means the 3 EMTs that were there are also told to stay home and watch for symptoms. CDC, TX., and Dallas had a very good news conference at 1800. There are 5 schools where possible contact was made with kids that had contact with the infected man.

As far as banning people from these areas. I had/have an idea. If you are traveling to the United States from West Africa area on a US passport or Visa there should be a camp where you can be interned for a minimum of 21 days to give the virus it's incubation period. You do not enter the US via aircraft without completing this quarantine period. You have to buy the ticket so right there you should be monitored and verified not to have Ebola by surrendering yourself to be isolated for 21 days. No excuses. JMO.

Karl

 

[welder]

Sounds like very dangerous stuff for sure.

The world is a dangerous place. Second line of defense is simple soap and water, wash your hands often, bandages scratches immediately and leave the scabs alone.

One thing I noticed in ER waiting rooms was many people would lick their fingers to turn pages on a magazine or if they touched something suspicious with a finger they would then sniff it. First line of defense is to use your head not your habits. Like hot steel and cold steel a contaminated magazine page looks no different than any other page. If a substance is out of place, call housekeeping don't try to figure out what it is...

I'll quit here because I feel a rant coming on.

Indeed.

My wife is an RN and judging from some of the stories she's related to me it's a miracle we aren't facing other problems that simple hygiene would go a long way in preventing. She left the hospital job and is now working for a private party who is insistent on top shelf care for her disabled husband. She works full time for this family and says she will never again work in a clinical setting for a variety of reasons. I'll leave those to your imagination.

 

[Ale-8(1)]

Sounds like very dangerous stuff for sure.

The world is a dangerous place. Second line of defense is simple soap and water, wash your hands often, bandages scratches immediately and leave the scabs alone.

One thing I noticed in ER waiting rooms was many people would lick their fingers to turn pages on a magazine or if they touched something suspicious with a finger they would then sniff it. First line of defense is to use your head not your habits. Like hot steel and cold steel a contaminated magazine page looks no different than any other page. If a substance is out of place, call housekeeping don't try to figure out what it is...

I'll quit here because I feel a rant coming on.

I make it a point to NEVER touch anything in the waiting room at a doctor's office, dentist's office, or hospital. After washing my hands I try to touch no door handles in public rest rooms, using the paper towel (if available) when leaving the room. Can't be too careful.

Paranoia? Nope . . . self-preservation.

And it just gets worse . . .

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-officials-8 ... nance.html

Now potentially 80 contacts . . . and counting.

And we're supposed to believe they have it "contained"????

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

 

[GunnyGene]

A Dr. takes the CDC to task for either lying or gross incompetance at Atlanta airport. I don't know at this point, who is being honest and who isn't or who is 'sugar coating' or overhyping. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Problem is we don't know where the middle is either. :roll:

“If they’re not lying, they are grossly incompetent,” said Mobley, a microbiologist and emergency trauma physician from Springfield, Mo.

Mobley said the CDC is “sugar-coating” the risk of the virus spreading in the United States.

Watch the CDC discuss the Ebola case here.

“For them to say last week that the likelihood of importing an Ebola case was extremely small was a real bad call,” he said.

“Once this disease consumes every third world country, as surely it will, because they lack the same basic infrastructure as Sierra Leone and Liberia, at that point, we will be importing clusters of Ebola on a daily basis,” Mobley predicted. “That will overwhelm any advanced country’s ability to contain the clusters in isolation and quarantine. That spells bad news.”

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/doctor-boards-flight-in-ebola-protection-suit-to-p/nhZk8/

 

[Pal Val]

With an incubation phase of 20 days, on a 10:1 contact ratio, Patient 0 would bring about 1,000,000 cases within 100 days. Pray and wash your hands, folks!

 

[DA_TriggR4Ruger]

Now there you have the numerically quantifiable facts.

 

[737tdi]

I'm telling you guys, the things I work on are going to kill us all! Airplanes that is. OK a little over the top but if there are lives lost it is on the head of the CEO of this country. There should be quarantine camps setup by this govt. on the west African coast and if you want to come to this country you will abide by a quarantine of 21 days. You should not be able to get a Visa/Passport/Ticket until you have satisfied our govt. that you are disease free. Hell, they do it to pets to prevent disease. Come on Obama, get with it, you need to do your job now, you haven't had to do crap before!

Karl