mini 14 recoil buffer
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dfletcher
Blackhawk
Accuracy Systems put one in mine, it hasn't caused any problems with reliability. I suppose it's helpful, but honestly it's not something I'd go out of my way to get.
miniman
Single-Sixer
I use wilson 1911 buffers front and back work great. the buffer tech buffers are to thick and you have to trim them to work the wilsons drop right in.
gunman42782
Hunter
I have never used a buffer and have not had scope issues, and I have a cheap Tasco scope I use.
Leucoandro
Single-Sixer
sniper81,
The buffertech buffers are horrible. I tried one on my Mini-30, and it caused some major problems.
Ruger considers the linkage at the rear of the gas operating system, in front of the reciever a buffer.
If you decide to put a buffer on your Mini, I would suggest the thin 1911 buffers. Although, a far better use of your money is with a reduced diameter gas system bushing kit from Great West Gunsmithing.
Combine the correct bushing with a heavier weight recoil spring, and action will cycle perfectly. I also found that changing the bushing/spring decreased felt recoil, and decreased muzzle rise. Neither of those are benifits of buffers.
Charlie
The buffertech buffers are horrible. I tried one on my Mini-30, and it caused some major problems.
Ruger considers the linkage at the rear of the gas operating system, in front of the reciever a buffer.
If you decide to put a buffer on your Mini, I would suggest the thin 1911 buffers. Although, a far better use of your money is with a reduced diameter gas system bushing kit from Great West Gunsmithing.
Combine the correct bushing with a heavier weight recoil spring, and action will cycle perfectly. I also found that changing the bushing/spring decreased felt recoil, and decreased muzzle rise. Neither of those are benifits of buffers.
Charlie
cruzerlou
Buckeye
WWB asked,
Why would it be okay to mount a scope on a .30-06 bolt action, but that same scope needs a recoil buffer if it's mounted on a mini?
The simple anwser is this .With cheaply made scopes there designed for recoil forces comming backward ,with a semi auto guns , spring piston airguns too ,you have two recoil forces at play .Rearward motion of the bolt under recoil and foward motion of the bolt moving foward under pressure of the recoil/buffer spring and the sudden stop as the bolt slams home in the reciver into battery.This will break even high dollar scopes if there not desgined for both forces .Most highquality scopes can handle this no problem .
Back in the early 80's I put a tasco world class 3x9x32 off of my 10/22 on a 70's era crossman 760 pump air rifle ,killed it in no time .I had fired 1000's of rds through that .22 w/ no problems but the duel recoil forces of the airgun broke that scope .
On most good scopes the rectile is etched into the glass like nightforce ,while Leapould still uses fine metal wires but there made to handle both forces .My advicecis this buy the best scope you can afford .
Lou
Why would it be okay to mount a scope on a .30-06 bolt action, but that same scope needs a recoil buffer if it's mounted on a mini?
The simple anwser is this .With cheaply made scopes there designed for recoil forces comming backward ,with a semi auto guns , spring piston airguns too ,you have two recoil forces at play .Rearward motion of the bolt under recoil and foward motion of the bolt moving foward under pressure of the recoil/buffer spring and the sudden stop as the bolt slams home in the reciver into battery.This will break even high dollar scopes if there not desgined for both forces .Most highquality scopes can handle this no problem .
Back in the early 80's I put a tasco world class 3x9x32 off of my 10/22 on a 70's era crossman 760 pump air rifle ,killed it in no time .I had fired 1000's of rds through that .22 w/ no problems but the duel recoil forces of the airgun broke that scope .
On most good scopes the rectile is etched into the glass like nightforce ,while Leapould still uses fine metal wires but there made to handle both forces .My advicecis this buy the best scope you can afford .
Lou
cruzerlou
Buckeye
You should be fine I have a Bushnell Trophy 1.75x4x32 MM scope .I've used on my inline muzzle loader with 3 50 gr pyrodex pellets ,on my Mossberg M-9200 12ga slug gun and now on my S & W M & P 15-T for 3 gun matches and it's never had a problem on any of them .
Lou
Lou
Gunsby_Blazen
Single-Sixer
well my scope would wiggle loose, even after locktite on my Mini-Target
i have heard a few bad things about that foam buffer that buffertech and wilson combat (both the same thing) regarding cycling . you have to sand them down to get them to work properly i heard.
so i took on old piece of thick leather from some welding gloves, cut to fit and popped a hole in it with an empty casing to fit over the gas port...
its thin yet absorbs the metal to metal impact.
i also like the density of the leather as opposed to the foam (i have 2 pieces of leather in there now, overlapped....
i stopped having scope issues but i dont know if it is from the leather or if its because i retightened my scope rings...
either way, its working well now (shot it yesterday by the way but my groups were one inch and above, my best groups with it so far have been 1/2 inch @ 110 yards)
i know the buffertech pads are bad on AK rifles, from what i have heard...., but that is a completely different operating system.
the problem with scopes and the mini-14 (from what i hear from others) is the nature of the recoil from the rifle..
it is not the rearward recoil that messes the scopes up but rather the forward momentum from the spring as the slide impacts the glass block
i read that scopes are designed for rearward recoil which is why you cant use a rifle scope on an airgun....
of course this might all be BS and the real reason you cant use a regular scope on an airgun is due to parallax error...
i have never tested any of that out so i cant say 100%...
i have heard a few bad things about that foam buffer that buffertech and wilson combat (both the same thing) regarding cycling . you have to sand them down to get them to work properly i heard.
so i took on old piece of thick leather from some welding gloves, cut to fit and popped a hole in it with an empty casing to fit over the gas port...
its thin yet absorbs the metal to metal impact.
i also like the density of the leather as opposed to the foam (i have 2 pieces of leather in there now, overlapped....
i stopped having scope issues but i dont know if it is from the leather or if its because i retightened my scope rings...
either way, its working well now (shot it yesterday by the way but my groups were one inch and above, my best groups with it so far have been 1/2 inch @ 110 yards)
i know the buffertech pads are bad on AK rifles, from what i have heard...., but that is a completely different operating system.
the problem with scopes and the mini-14 (from what i hear from others) is the nature of the recoil from the rifle..
it is not the rearward recoil that messes the scopes up but rather the forward momentum from the spring as the slide impacts the glass block
i read that scopes are designed for rearward recoil which is why you cant use a rifle scope on an airgun....
of course this might all be BS and the real reason you cant use a regular scope on an airgun is due to parallax error...
i have never tested any of that out so i cant say 100%...
Leucoandro
Single-Sixer
sniper81 said:
You are correct on the wolff spring.
Good luck and take care with the buffertech. Near as I can figure is the one I tried on mine slid forward with recoil (before the piston moved back), and prevented the spring from compressing. This caused the action to lock up and stress some parts of the rifle. The action was locked tight and required disassembly of the rifle to get the action to move forward. When I removed the buffer I was getting 20+" groups at 100 yards (before 1.5" @ 100 yards). Required a trip back to ruger, and a lot of time doing tweeks found on Perfect Union to get the accuracy anywhere close to where it once was.
Charlie
Leucoandro
Single-Sixer
sniper81 said:
My experience with the Buffer taught me that you are generally O.K. if you replace/exchange a part, but could see serious problems if you try to add a part.
I would suggest the gas bushing kit from great west gunsmithing. In my Mini-30, with the large bushing and wolff spring, my brass travels about 5 feet. The recoil impulse is greatly reduced, and feels smoother. The makes it easier to keep the sights on target, and also lends itself to quicker follow-up shots.
Charlie
plumbernater
Bearcat
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I make my own out of boot leather and it works great front and back
