Cirillo technique .......don't need no sights until you need the sights.....The width of the firearm is sometimes all you need.
Micro Pistol owners your input please
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Throwing the name Cirillo into the thread is going to blow some minds
Throwing the name Cirillo into the thread is going to blow some minds
If I mentioned how I learned about that technique it would either blow some minds or they just wouldn't believe it...
But I think it definitely has some merit and works!
https://gundigest.com/handguns/pers...im-cirillos-technique-for-coarse-aim-shootingThrowing the name Cirillo into the thread is going to blow some minds
That's the guy......good technique well worth learning, in my opinion. I was exposed to it in 1989, and have been a believer ever since.
Ever run drills or a course of fire with sights removed? It will make you a believer. What sold me was successfully completing SSET/SSEW COF with a 1911 with sights removed. After that, I would demonstrate to classes firing the Watch Stander COF using a slide with no sights....until I was "told" to stop doing it.
Not all scenarios will be right for this technique. But most will. If you can see the threat and your weapon it will work.
GunnyGene
Hawkeye
I heard of him. It does work up close. The invention of red dot reflex sights for pistols is essentially a technological refinement of the technique - if you use the 32moa circle reticle instead of the little 2 or 3 moa dot. It's always about the angles.
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Carry Optics are every bit the Game Changer on pocket pistols as they were on rifles. See Dot Shoot Dot. It's that fast and easy!!!
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Several years ago I experimented with various handguns I would carry. I wore my glass I wore daily which was for distance and not for reading and for computer distance-I now wear trifocals. I shot at distances out to 12 yards. I focused on the target while looking down the top of the barrel or slide. I couldn't see the rear sight at all. The front sights were either painted yellow or where FO. While looking at the target I was aware of a very fuzzy front sight but did not focus on it or try to align the front sight with the target. I was amazed at how well I shot. I wasn't trying to shoot fast or slow-just present the gun to the target and fire. It worked very well for SD purposes. In a real world "O' Crap" situation I think this is what would happen despite years of front sight focus. I think this is a crude red/green dot system but more instinctive, at least for me after 65+years of using irons. I have a dot on one of my pistols but like shooting irons better. If not shooting bullseye, for groups or at distance beyond 15 yards, my experience is sights are over rated for most real life SD situations. With really good grip and trigger control techniques, the down the slide/barrel technique seems to work for me. However when I shoot at the club or dryfire I practice sight alignment/sight picture. I need to practice down the tube focused on the target a bit each time I go shooting.
I sold my NAA .22 LR with the small barrel because I couldn't hit a feed sack at 5yds. I considered it a screw it in the nose or ear type of gun. Back in the 1990's when I was a LEO, I had a Iver Johnson TP .22 that I carried deep concealment, it was replaced by a KelTec P-32, that was replaced with an Ruger 1st gen LCP, that was replaced with a Ruger LCP MAX. Except for the NAA the sights worked reasonably well. I still carry concealed, because SURPRISE is a great tactic!!!
Contender is too modest! He is a LEGEND!!! In shooting circles, he is known for having a great range, the ultimate host, teacher, and fun guy to hang out with. Not to mention the fact that he is quite a hunter to boot.
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Contender is too modest! He is a LEGEND!!! In shooting circles, he is known for having a great range, the ultimate host, teacher, and fun guy to hang out with. Not to mention the fact that he is quite a hunter to boot.
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Yep. Nice skillset to know if optic is damaged/disabled.
Maybe because I have large hands and grew up shooting revolvers, I could never get comfortable with micro pistols. Had a Kahr PM9, great for concealment and plenty accurate at any reasonable range, but after a few rounds it hurt my hand. Traded it for a Kahr P45, which may not qualify as a "micro", but it's about the thinnest .45ACP around. Shot great, but after a few rounds it hurt my hand. I've tried a few other micro's, but never really liked any of them. It's not because I'm too sensitive to recoil, since I love shooting my Ruger SP101 .357, the small auto pistols just don't fit my hand. Long story short, my usual carry is a Glock 19, which, with a good IWB holster and sturdy belt, I've never had a problem concealing, even with a t-shirt and jeans. I can shoot it all day long with no problem. My next favorite carry is my SP101 with a 3" barrel, and sometimes, just for the hell of it, I'll also carry my SP101 with the 2" barrel, for that "New York reload".
Or just use the cowitness irons like normal. Inside 10 yds effective hits shouldn't be a problem. I'm on my 3rd shot before the gun reaches eye level. 2 somewhere in the torso before I place a shot exactly where I want it in under 2 seconds should get the job done. The optic allows me to take that longer shot with absolute confidence if I find myself in That Situation that requires it. Mr Dicken might not have stopped the Mall shooter or maybe even hit bystanders if his pistol wasn't optic equipped. It's an absolute Force Multiplier.
First Law of Physics: Anything you would want to shoot you wouldn't want to carry and anything you would want to carry you wouldn't want to shoot. We have full power pistols smaller and lighter than older 32acp's!!! WTF would you expect
"IF" they are tall enough to co-witness. Not all sights are. But I'd say a good amount of optics ready semis today come with suppressor sights that work, and slides have lower mounting options.
I am sure Chirillo technique will work. BUT you must practice it. Point shooting also works and becomes instinctive only with lots of practice. Point shooting you're aiming with your hand, you don't look at gun or gun sights. You look at the target. With lots of practice you know where the bullet will hit.
Also a technique is flash sighting at 10 to 15 yds. It works after you have mastered a fast trigger squeeze. If your good at point shooting, then bring gun sights to line up with target and shoot without hesitation.
Here's the deal, none will work until you master the basics. And then practice this type of technique.
Also a technique is flash sighting at 10 to 15 yds. It works after you have mastered a fast trigger squeeze. If your good at point shooting, then bring gun sights to line up with target and shoot without hesitation.
Here's the deal, none will work until you master the basics. And then practice this type of technique.
If one had the ability to throw a ball by hand or other means (IE: Lacrosse stick) they should have no issues learning shooting techniques such as Cirillo or even point shooting, in my opinion. When students had issues qualifying or passing certain COFs I would often ask them if they ever learned to throw a ball accurately to others a various distances......it would suddenly click in their minds, they most often would qual and I could finally secure and go home.
Not sure that I would call the LCP a micro. Definitely a pocket gun, but not anywhere near as small as an NAA .22.
Anyway, in regard to accuracy: That 25 yard number can be close, but I have found that ammo makes a difference. .380 vs .22 ( ,22 has greater accuracy range in my hands).
CCI minimag vs Federal Punch. CCI can regularly exceed that 25 yd mark, Federal Punch not so much
Sometimes it's our eyes. I just picked up a trigger guard laser sight for my LCP. Once sighted in my range increased as well. Again note "In MY hands".
Too simplify, I can add 7 -10 yards of accuracy using my .22lr , Minimags, and a laser- over the .380 using iron sights.
Anyway, in regard to accuracy: That 25 yard number can be close, but I have found that ammo makes a difference. .380 vs .22 ( ,22 has greater accuracy range in my hands).
CCI minimag vs Federal Punch. CCI can regularly exceed that 25 yd mark, Federal Punch not so much
Sometimes it's our eyes. I just picked up a trigger guard laser sight for my LCP. Once sighted in my range increased as well. Again note "In MY hands".
Too simplify, I can add 7 -10 yards of accuracy using my .22lr , Minimags, and a laser- over the .380 using iron sights.
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Sirdutch
Bearcat
I define micro as an L.W. Seecamp in .32acp or a 1908 Colt Vest Pocket in .25acp. Yeah, they're last gasp pistols but mechanical marvels just the same. I especially like the 1908 Colt.
The Seecamp is a Rosie O'Donnell to get used to, especially when loading the mags or cycling the last unfired round in the chamber if one wants to empty the firearm. It's a California Edition as I live there. I'm not sure if the free state version has the same issue. I can't just drop the mag and cycle the slid to empty the little runt. I need to put in an empty mag to eject the chambered round. Still, I keep it around. Happy New Year everyone!
Lou
Bearcat
My comment was in no way a diss on your abilities, it was more about the LCP at 60 foot with a 2 3/4 barrel. As far as the 100 yards go, meet me at a half mile.
While I don't consider my LCP II a 'micro' I do like the fact that is easily and comfortably fits into my jeans pocket. It's not a 'target' pistol by any stretch but with practice I can easily place all the rounds in 'center of mass' at 5 yards (which is what is considered the normal distance most shootings will occur)
