Lipsey's 1S 26" Barrel .45-70 is a "C" weigh

[El Numero Uno]

Just got mine out and they are "C" weight barrels!
This is not a true 1S, as it is really a 1H with the "C" weight barrel 26" long.
Those of you have been at it a time know that the first(1967) S26M cataloged rifles were a 26" "B" weight barrel. When the system came out in 1970, the 2 models of the "B" with a 26" barrel were the 1B( Beavertail and no sights) and the 1S( Alex Henry and sights). The 1S was also available as a 22" barrel .45/70 very early.
The first 1H's had a "C" weight barrel in the .375 H&H and a "D" weight barrel in the .458 WM.
Wood on the ones I have are typical average for the Boddington Series, with the same checkering pattern. The rifle handles quite well.

 

[mike-c]

Greetings No. 1

Thanks for the info, but I still want the 26" model in stainless. Also, I got the impression that 250 is a normal run, so where are the other 125 guns???? Could they be stainless waiting in the back room????? Inquiring minds want to know, or could I be mistaken about the number??? :oops:

Mike 8)

 

[El Numero Uno]

My impression was that it was a 125 barrels made; not assembled. My guess would also be that they are NOT stainless.

 

[chet15]

Most distributors usually get half a run to see how well they go, in this case the 125 would be right on.
No....the exclusive is for the blue version. Stainless would not be in the cards on this one.
Chet15

 

[Jason at Lipsey's]

No plans for stainless on this one right now. Usually its 250 for Number 1 specials, but there are exceptions. This run is 125 with the option to do another 125 in the future. Thanks for checking that barrel Lee. I suspected it was a "C" contour.

 

[Major T]

Lee, Hope you still have one or more in Dallas. If I were home, I would just come down and not wait, but I am doing farm and ranch duty in the Panhandle this week while S-I-L does a cotton tour to Georgia and Florida. Not really much to do except keep the irrigation systems going and make sure the windmills keep the cows in water and see that they get a little supplement. S-I-L does not overgraze, so unlike many ranchers he is not short on grasses, it is just drying out. Back on track, I think the C weight barrel may be ideal. Good day, Jack

 

[mrbumps]

Ruger does list the rifle on their web site as Catalog # 1-S-C. I thought that the C was for the Circassian wood, but maybe it is for the "C" barrel?

They also list the weight at 7.25 lbs. I am assuming it is actually heavier than that?

http://ruger.com/products/no1DE/specSheets/11365.html

 

[gewehrfreund]

The wood on the Ruger website looks like the type I would get if I ordered one of these........not very impressive for Circassian.

 

[Jason at Lipsey's]

The 7.25 lbs weight is the 22" model. I put several on the scale here and they all came out at 8lbs. give or take an ounce. The "C" on the designation stands for circassion. Ruger has two grades of circassion and this is the grade 1. The checkering pattern is the same as the Boddington Series which I do like better than the standard checkering. We have 21 left of the original 125 as of this afternoon.

 

[KTMADV]

So , what is a C weight barrel? I pick mine up tomorrow , my 1st no1 :D

 

[El Numero Uno]

The quickest, simplest explanation I can offer is that: the 1A has an "A" weight barrel; the 1B has a "B" weight barrel; the .375 H&H 1H has a "C" weight barrel, and the .458WM 1H has a "D" weight barrel.
You will like it!
Welcome to the RugerForum.

 

[KTMADV]

The quickest, simplest explanation I can offer is that: the 1A has an "A" weight barrel; the 1B has a "B" weight barrel; the .375 H&H 1H has a "C" weight barrel, and the .458WM 1H has a "D" weight barrel.
You will like it!
Welcome to the RugerForum.

Thanks!!

 

[Mike Armstrong]

I bet that gun is a LOT more comfortable to shoot off the bench than the regular 1S .45-70!

 

[gewehrfreund]

I bet that gun is a LOT more comfortable to shoot off the bench than the regular 1S .45-70!

I dare say it's a lot more comfortable offhand as well!

 

[Watergoat]

The more I read, the better it sounds! And I still have all the reloading stuff left over from the Marlin I tried in the late 70s. Never, ever, get rid of such things. You never know when you might want them, 30 years later. For instance, I found 5 boxes of Sierra bullets with a $3.95 price tag........and I would bet they were bought on sale, knowing me!!! :mrgreen:

 

[SteelShooter]

Have always wanted a #1 in 45-70 but did not like the 22" barrel, think the 26" barrel makes a much more graceful gun, and like the idea of the upgraded wood.

For any of yo who has bought one of these, what has the street price been thru your gun dealer?

Want to get an idea to see if this will be possible on my end.


Thanks!

 

[Watergoat]

Picked mine up yesterday. My buddy decided he wanted one, but they are all gone. Really like the feel of this one. The longer, heavier barrel makes it hang right. They should have offered this as an option all the time. The stock doesn't have much color, but I think that is normal for Circassian. The multi-point checkering pattern does set it off quite well. Looking forward to shooting this one.

 

[mrbumps]

I picked up mine yesterday too. I also have a 1-S, and the first thing I noticed was how much heavier looking the barrel was. The grain in the Circassian is pretty straight, but I like the overall lightness of the wood in contrast to the blue. Can't wait to shoot it.

 

[El Numero Uno]

Watergoat,
If your buddy can't find one, PM me. I might can help.

 

[Belt Fed]

I got mine today and I really like it! This is what Ruger should have offered for the 45-70 to start with. I really like the heavier barrel and the 26" length. I would have preferred black walnut over circassian but at least its not laminated.

 

[Watergoat]

Shot mine this afternoon - quite happy with it. Tight chamber, no throat at all. Some old handloads with commercial 405 gr cast bullets didn't want to seat. They were fully seated and crimped in the crimp groove. Pulled one back out and the rifling was engraved on the bullet just above the case mouth. I will run the cases through the trimmer, cut them .005-.010 below nominal minimum. That should fix the seating problem. Handheld over a padded ammo can, I was eating the black out of a 50 ft pistol target at 100 yards. Considering it was me doing it, I was pleased with that.

 

[HAWKEYE#28]

Just got mine out and they are "C" weight barrels!
This is not a true 1S, as it is really a 1H with the "C" weight barrel 26" long.
Those of you have been at it a time know that the first(1967) S26M cataloged rifles were a 26" "B" weight barrel. When the system came out in 1970, the 2 models of the "B" with a 26" barrel were the 1B( Beavertail and no sights) and the 1S( Alex Henry and sights). The 1S was also available as a 22" barrel .45/70 very early.
The first 1H's had a "C" weight barrel in the .375 H&H and a "D" weight barrel in the .458 WM.
Wood on the ones I have are typical average for the Boddington Series, with the same checkering pattern. The rifle handles quite well.

PM SENT 8)

 

[Major T]

I drove over to the big collector show in Dallas today. I have a spectacular S & W from 1940 (made) or 1946 (shipped- depends on how you look at it) that I had promised a serious collector from Montana that I would let him look at it. He wants it if I decide to sell. I also contacted El Numero Uno and took one of his 26" .45-70 No. 1s off his hands. We had a nice visit. He was surprised that I even knew where Pidcoke, TX is. A co-worker and I used to hunt on a ranch just on down the road from where he lives. He treated me fairly on the price. He is also a really nice gentleman-nice to meet him. Now to get lead bullets and some more black powder. I have some powder, but I am out of lead bullets. Maybe I will break it in with 300 grain Noslers as I have about 40 of them ready to go. Rifle weighs 9# but I am not going to try to make a .458 out of it! My initial plan is paper patch lead over black. My eyes need glass. I have 3X Leupolds and Weavers. One of them should do just fine. If not I have a vintage Lyman All-American w/post and ch that should. jack

PS: Weighed rifle on another scale and got 7lb 15oz. This is more in line with Jason;s report. Have not checked the throat yet. Hate to hear they may be short. Gunsmith services aren't cheap and there is not likely a reamer in this part of the world. jt

 

[gewehrfreund]

As luck would have it, I picked one up yesterday too.

I did a combination Lake Ontario beach/Clayton (on the St. Lawrence River) gunshow trip with the family. I took a few "extra" guns along as possible trade bait.
This is a small show and has suffered in recent years with attendance and the quality of the dealers who set up there. But an aquaintance from northern PA was there with several #1's, including the Lipsey 45-70, and a couple of other dealers also had a few No. 1's.
After some cajoling, I traded two of my "extras' for the #1S-C 45-70. As expected, the wood is not too inspiring, but it is what it is and I can live with it.

This rifle is not as hefty as I expected it would feel, but does look and hang better IMO than the 22" B-barreled version.

A nice day all in all. The weather was perfect, I got a neat new rifle, and the family was happy (telling my wife I got rid of two guns and only brought one back in it's place is always good, especially since I didn't have to spend any serious money at the show).

As for the other No. 1's there, I saw a 4-digit BB 22-250 with fairly nice wood for $1495 :-0, a 1977 B in 270 with pebbled pad but plain wood for $695, and a B in 300 Weatherby for the same price.

Has anyone heard if Lipsey's is going to do a second run of 125 of the 45-70?
Lance

 

[Major T]

Lee had a good assortment of N0.1s. The only one that I saw on other dealer's tables that really spoke to me was a 1S in .218 Bee. Down side is that I have the Marlin which shoots the only load I ever put together for it at about 1 1/8 inch @100. I do not really use it that much so why add another? Still really nice....... jack

 

[gewehrfreund]

Forgot to add that there was also a NIB K1A 250 Sav. for $959

 

[Watergoat]

Did some loading for mine last night. Took a box of once fired Win factory cases and trimmed the crimp off, down to a case length of 2.060. This allowed seating Sierra #8900 or Hornady #4500 300gr bullets to an OAL of 2.470, which just barely lets the breech close. After I shoot these, will trim again to 2.040 just so I can see the cannelure. Did not use the expander die at all on this batch, just chamfered well inside and out, and seated the bullets. No need to crimp. Also loaded a batch with Lyman 457193 cast bullets over 5744. These were left full length, and expanded and belled in the normal manner, seated with the top band just flush with the case mouth to enable the action to close. I don't have a 45-70 finishing reamer either. A slight reduction in powder capacity is a good thing for smokeless target loads. I am past my days of rolling up elephant-stompers in 45-70. Not much of a pachyderm problem here in Piedmont NC these days. I still have the various 9.3s should this occur.

 

[picketpin]

Guys: The 26" barreled "C" weight was not a normal Lipsey run.

They were made for one of the non profits. The 26" barrel was settled on because that is the longest that Ruger can make with their machinery/toolng now that they are making their own barrels.

Remember, the Lyman Centenials with the long barrel were out sourced.

When Ruger showed the prototypes to the buyer they rejected the rifle. They had wanted a longer barrel., 28 to 30 inches. That left Ruger with some completed rifles for demonstration purposes and the rest of the run of barrels.

They offered Lyp[seys a deal to be the wholesaler on the lot and completed the rifles and released them through Lypsyes as an "Exclusive".

The proposed contract with the original purchaser was not 250 rifles and they didn't make 250 barrels.

That sort of explains why it's outside the normal Lipsey deal for stainless/walnut "A"s

These rifle number "significantly" less than 250. As much as I'm NOT a 45-70 shooter even I have thought about one.

Because these were not completed until after the demonstration rifles were made it "might" be possible that there are very few out there with features; checkering, wood, pad that are outside the normal rifle as issued. The boxes however are all marked the same.

Ross

The original buyer opted for 270 Winchesters in "S" configuration. They'll show up down the road with some kind with non Ruger embelishment. :-(

RWT

 

[gewehrfreund]

Ross,
Why did you have to tell me there is going to be a 1S in 270?! I swore yesterday that this rifle was going to be my last new Ruger, but a 1S in 270 may change things.
So, is it the SCI or Elk Foundation (NRA?, RCA? AAA?) that's doing this one?
Lance

 

[HAWKEYE#28]

Perhaps one should ask of the Folks who do measuring...... 8) :wink:I looked at their website and saw nothing about firearms...... :?