LARGE RIFLE PRIMERS???

[chuck]

30 years ago i stoped useing CCI primers, got a lot of vertical stringing, are they still bad or have the got their stuff together and make a good primer??

 

[gramps]

Wow. Primers do that?
gramps

 

[Jimbo357mag]

I heard they have hard cups, good for hot loads.

 

[Chief 101]

that would be a problem but CCI primers have always been first class

 

[Mobuck]

news to me-I normally use only CCI

 

[DGW1949]

I quit using CCI primers back in the late 70's due to QC issues and aint looked back.
Today I'm mostly a Winchester fan, the exception being precision loads meant for extended distances (300 yds and beyound). For that, you'd be hard pressed to beat Federal's Gold Medal (match) primers.

DGW

 

[Sam Summey]

I'll go with DGW, similar results. WW makes and loads thir ammo with ball powder. All their primers are hot enough to ignite BLC2. I had hang fires with CCI, read the books suggested I use MAGNUM primers. I changed to WW LR primers, never looked back. I have been completely satisfied with them in all calibers I load, from Small Pistol to WW209 shotgun primers. I only sell WW primers in my shop. No complaints form my customers.

 

[Rclark]

All I use is CCI. Never have had a real problem with them.

 

[Chief 101]

I only use CCI today in a certain 204 varmint rifle, because it likes to punch holes in primers. The only problem I ever had with them is when using firearms with lightened hammer springs...

 

[Lee Martin]

How do you know the primer caused the stringing? Lots of variables at play here. I've used CCIs for years without any problem.

 

[Sam Summey]

Lee hang fires, i.e. inconsistent ignition, causes irratic pressures thus vertical stringing.

 

[mattsbox99]

I've used them all, but my LR standard and Magnum choice is Remington and for Match use is the CCI BR2.

 

[beemermark]

I gave up on CCI. Bought 5000 and had nothing but trouble with them being oversized. Keep getting stuck in Dillon progressive and even Dillon recommends something else. I 'm slowly using up the rest (4K left) with a Lee hand primer and I'd guess about 1 in 10 will not go all the way in the primer pocket.

This is Large Pistol in 45 acp/colt.

 

[Rick Courtright]

Hi,

Normally I use W-W primers, but I think there are some CCIs gathering dust in the back of the closet.

Only worrisome thing I've ever seen w/ CCIs was back in my trapshooting days: the harder cups of their shotshell primers were tough on the "softer" firing pins found in a certain popular Italian trap gun. My gunsmith boss suggested Federals for all the single barrels, and W-W for the O/Us IF there was a misfire problem on the lower barrel (combination of firing pin angle and more rounded cup of the Federals affected a few guns.)

That's all I know of CCI "problems"...

Rick C

 

[DGW1949]

How do you know the primer caused the stringing? Lots of variables at play here. I've used CCIs for years without any problem.

Because I've done extensive "back to back" testing out of my NRA Service Match rifle using various primers in conjunction with "all else equal" handloads. The difference on the target began to plainly show up at 200 yds. At 300 yds and beyound, the difference was even plainer (and more than enough to matter).
Point is, if ya want precision rifle ammo, ya gotta use a precision primer. In my experience, CCI's aint.

Hope this helped.

DGW

 

[Rick Courtright]

I'll go with DGW, similar results. WW makes and loads thir ammo with ball powder. All their primers are hot enough to ignite BLC2.

Hi,

This brings up something I heard years ago. Might be pure bunk, I dunno. If someone can shed any light on whether it is, it would be appreciated.

The story was that one should look at the brand of primer and the mfr of the powders used in factory ammo, then keep one's handloads somewhat "family" oriented for optimum results. At the time, Winchester (Olin) made their own primers and powder, and all their factory ammo obviously used W-W components.

Remington (ammo division, at least) was part of DuPont, so Rem primers and IMR powders were what you'd find in their metallic ammo. I'm sure their shotshells used DuPont powders but whether they were even close to those we could buy as handloaders, I dunno.

Federal used a lot of Hercules (Alliant) powders, as I understood it, at least in their shotshells. So using Federal primers w/ Hercules-Alliant powders would make sense.

CCI wasn't allied w/ any particular powder mfr, so some experimenting was required to figure a good match...

Anyone ever heard anything along these lines?

Rick C