I have one of my two digit serial number (58) 3 & 3/4 inch Brl. Birdshead grip model with a rust problem. It will build a light coat of surface rust every where the case color frame meets the blued metal. When I purchased the revolver it was in 99% condition and looked to be fired very little if at all. I finally had to keep it on my desk with an oil rag to keep up, it will start to show about every three to four days. Have several of the like guns and have had no problems with the others. If any one has any light to shed on this please do so.
Large Frame Birdshead
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Contact Ruger. They had a batch of these that had problems with the chemical case coloring. I think Ruger will fix it for you. I've heard of folks getting a problem gun blued if they didn't want to send it back to Ruger or just preferred the different look.
Hondo44
Hawkeye
It could very well be as Berry said. But if you send it back, I don't believe Ruger will re-do the case colors. They stopped that at least 5 years ago. But a call and discussion with them would be the best place to start. If they agree to fix it at their cost they'll send a UPS call tag for it and you won't have to pay shipping either. But you'll probably get an all blue gun back.
This has happened to different brands of guns; the bluing solution has usually not been properly neutralized. Simplest thing to try if you want, is to take it all part and gently scrub the frame and grip frame in a strong solution of baking soda and water to neutralize lingering chemicals. You can also use acetone or do both. Dry thoroughly with a blow dryer. Re-oil well when done.
This has happened to different brands of guns; the bluing solution has usually not been properly neutralized. Simplest thing to try if you want, is to take it all part and gently scrub the frame and grip frame in a strong solution of baking soda and water to neutralize lingering chemicals. You can also use acetone or do both. Dry thoroughly with a blow dryer. Re-oil well when done.
Thank you Jim...I think I'll give that baking soda and acetone a try. I'll keep you posted on how it works out. I should know within a couple days after I give it try, it will start turn in three to four days when left sitting out without an oil rag on it.
Respectfully
JP
Respectfully
JP
Well okay... The Vaq is in pieces and I have the ingredients and two of Linda's baking dishes and brushes. I understand the baking soda wash down and what effect it has on metals. After doing some research on acetone, see below, I'm a little sketch-eee on what is going to happen with the bluing and the case color. I have a junk pistola, I think I'll throw in the bath and see what takes place first.
About a third of the world's acetone is used as a solvent, and a quarter is consumed as acetone cyanohydrin a precursor to methyl methacrylate.[8]
Solvent]
Acetone is a good solvent for many plastics and some synthetic fibers. It is used for thinning polyester resin, cleaning tools used with it, and dissolving two-part epoxies and superglue before they harden. It is used as one of the volatile components of some paints and varnishes. As a heavy-duty degreaser, it is useful in the preparation of metal prior to painting. It is also useful for high reliability soldering applications to remove rosin flux after soldering is complete; this helps to prevent the Rusty bolt effect.
Acetone is used as a solvent by the pharmaceutical industry and as a denaturant in denatured alcohol.[15] Acetone is also present as an excipient in some pharmaceutical drugs.[16]
Although itself flammable, acetone is used extensively as a solvent for the safe transporting and storing of acetylene, which cannot be safely pressurized as a pure compound. Vessels containing a porous material are first filled with acetone followed by acetylene, which dissolves into the acetone. One liter of acetone can dissolve around 250 liters of acetylene.[17][18]
Chemical intermediate
Acetone is used to synthesize methyl methacrylate. It begins with the initial conversion of acetone to acetone cyanohydrin:
(CH3)2CO + HCN → (CH3)2C(OH)CN
In a subsequent step, the nitrile is hydrolyzed to the unsaturated amide, which is esterified:
(CH3)2C(OH)CN + CH3OH → CH2=(CH3)CCO2CH3 + NH3
The third major use of acetone (about 20%)[8] is synthesizing bisphenol A. Bisphenol A is a component of many polymers such as polycarbonates, polyurethanes, and epoxy resins. The synthesis involves the condensation of acetone with phenol:
(CH3)2CO + 2 C6H5OH → (CH3)2C(C6H4OH)2 + H2O
Many millions of kilograms of acetone are consumed in the production of the solvents methyl isobutyl alcohol and methyl isobutyl ketone. These products arise via an initial aldol condensation to give diacetone alcohol.[9]
2 (CH3)2CO → (CH3)2C(OH)CH2C(O)CH3
Laboratory
In the laboratory, acetone is used as a polar, aprotic solvent in a variety of organic reactions, such as SN2 reactions. The use of acetone solvent is critical for the Jones oxidation. It does not form an azeotrope with water (see azeotrope (data)).[19] It is a common solvent for rinsing laboratory glassware because of its low cost and volatility. Despite its common use as a supposed drying agent, it is not effective except by bulk displacement and dilution. Acetone can be cooled with dry ice to −78 °C without freezing; acetone/dry ice baths are commonly used to conduct reactions at low temperatures. Acetone is fluorescent under ultraviolet light, and its vapor may be used as a fluorescent tracer in fluid flow experiments.[20]
Medical and cosmetic uses
Acetone is used in a variety of general medical and cosmetic applications and is also listed as a component in food additives and food packaging. Dermatologists use acetone with alcohol for acne treatments to peel dry skin.
Acetone is commonly used in chemical peeling. Common agents used today for chemical peels are salicylic acid, glycolic acid, 30% salicylic acid in ethanol, and trichloroacetic acid (TCA). Prior to chemexfoliation, the skin is cleaned and excess fat removed in a process called defatting. Acetone, Septisol, or a combination of these agents is commonly used in this process.
Domestic and other niche uses
Acetone is often the primary component in cleaning agents such as nail polish remover. Acetone is a component of superglue remover and easily removes residues from glass and porcelain. Make-up artists use acetone to remove skin adhesive from the netting of wigs and moustaches by immersing the item in an acetone bath, then removing the softened glue residue with a stiff brush.
This chemical is also used as an artistic agent; when rubbed on the back of a laser print or photocopy placed face-down on another surface and burnished firmly, the toner of the image transfers to the destination surface.[original research?]
Acetone can also be used in combination with automatic transmission fluid to create an effective penetrating oil. Brake fluid is sometimes used in place of ATF. These mixtures (usually 1:1) can be useful in loosening rusted or stuck bolts.
About a third of the world's acetone is used as a solvent, and a quarter is consumed as acetone cyanohydrin a precursor to methyl methacrylate.[8]
Solvent]
Acetone is a good solvent for many plastics and some synthetic fibers. It is used for thinning polyester resin, cleaning tools used with it, and dissolving two-part epoxies and superglue before they harden. It is used as one of the volatile components of some paints and varnishes. As a heavy-duty degreaser, it is useful in the preparation of metal prior to painting. It is also useful for high reliability soldering applications to remove rosin flux after soldering is complete; this helps to prevent the Rusty bolt effect.
Acetone is used as a solvent by the pharmaceutical industry and as a denaturant in denatured alcohol.[15] Acetone is also present as an excipient in some pharmaceutical drugs.[16]
Although itself flammable, acetone is used extensively as a solvent for the safe transporting and storing of acetylene, which cannot be safely pressurized as a pure compound. Vessels containing a porous material are first filled with acetone followed by acetylene, which dissolves into the acetone. One liter of acetone can dissolve around 250 liters of acetylene.[17][18]
Chemical intermediate
Acetone is used to synthesize methyl methacrylate. It begins with the initial conversion of acetone to acetone cyanohydrin:
(CH3)2CO + HCN → (CH3)2C(OH)CN
In a subsequent step, the nitrile is hydrolyzed to the unsaturated amide, which is esterified:
(CH3)2C(OH)CN + CH3OH → CH2=(CH3)CCO2CH3 + NH3
The third major use of acetone (about 20%)[8] is synthesizing bisphenol A. Bisphenol A is a component of many polymers such as polycarbonates, polyurethanes, and epoxy resins. The synthesis involves the condensation of acetone with phenol:
(CH3)2CO + 2 C6H5OH → (CH3)2C(C6H4OH)2 + H2O
Many millions of kilograms of acetone are consumed in the production of the solvents methyl isobutyl alcohol and methyl isobutyl ketone. These products arise via an initial aldol condensation to give diacetone alcohol.[9]
2 (CH3)2CO → (CH3)2C(OH)CH2C(O)CH3
Laboratory
In the laboratory, acetone is used as a polar, aprotic solvent in a variety of organic reactions, such as SN2 reactions. The use of acetone solvent is critical for the Jones oxidation. It does not form an azeotrope with water (see azeotrope (data)).[19] It is a common solvent for rinsing laboratory glassware because of its low cost and volatility. Despite its common use as a supposed drying agent, it is not effective except by bulk displacement and dilution. Acetone can be cooled with dry ice to −78 °C without freezing; acetone/dry ice baths are commonly used to conduct reactions at low temperatures. Acetone is fluorescent under ultraviolet light, and its vapor may be used as a fluorescent tracer in fluid flow experiments.[20]
Medical and cosmetic uses
Acetone is used in a variety of general medical and cosmetic applications and is also listed as a component in food additives and food packaging. Dermatologists use acetone with alcohol for acne treatments to peel dry skin.
Acetone is commonly used in chemical peeling. Common agents used today for chemical peels are salicylic acid, glycolic acid, 30% salicylic acid in ethanol, and trichloroacetic acid (TCA). Prior to chemexfoliation, the skin is cleaned and excess fat removed in a process called defatting. Acetone, Septisol, or a combination of these agents is commonly used in this process.
Domestic and other niche uses
Acetone is often the primary component in cleaning agents such as nail polish remover. Acetone is a component of superglue remover and easily removes residues from glass and porcelain. Make-up artists use acetone to remove skin adhesive from the netting of wigs and moustaches by immersing the item in an acetone bath, then removing the softened glue residue with a stiff brush.
This chemical is also used as an artistic agent; when rubbed on the back of a laser print or photocopy placed face-down on another surface and burnished firmly, the toner of the image transfers to the destination surface.[original research?]
Acetone can also be used in combination with automatic transmission fluid to create an effective penetrating oil. Brake fluid is sometimes used in place of ATF. These mixtures (usually 1:1) can be useful in loosening rusted or stuck bolts.
Hondo44
Hawkeye
JP,
I should have said not to go buy acetone if you don't have any. But that was very interesting. I've used it successfully in 50/50 mix with ATF for soaking rusted parts based on a controlled test that was published. Of the off the shelf products, Kano Kroil beat everything else. But ATF beat it and 50/50 Acetone/ATF beat straight ATF!
"The April/May 2007 edition of Machinist's Workshop did a scientific test of penetrating oils measuring the force required to loosen rusty test devices. Buy the issue if you want to see how they did the test. The results reported were interesting. The lower the number of pounds the better. Mighty interesting results for simple acetone and tranny fluid by a wide margin!
Penetrating oil..Average load (Lbs) .. Price per fluid ounce
W/O penetrant.... 516 pounds ….. $0.00
WD-40 ...............238 pounds .. $0.25
PB Blaster ...........214 pounds .. $0.35
Liquid Wrench .....127 pounds .. $0.21
Kano Kroil ..........106 pounds .. $0.75
ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds .. $0.10
The ATF-Acetone mix was a 50/50 mix (1 to 1 ratio). Does not stay mixed well and must be agitated from time to time during soaking."
I should have said not to go buy acetone if you don't have any. But that was very interesting. I've used it successfully in 50/50 mix with ATF for soaking rusted parts based on a controlled test that was published. Of the off the shelf products, Kano Kroil beat everything else. But ATF beat it and 50/50 Acetone/ATF beat straight ATF!
"The April/May 2007 edition of Machinist's Workshop did a scientific test of penetrating oils measuring the force required to loosen rusty test devices. Buy the issue if you want to see how they did the test. The results reported were interesting. The lower the number of pounds the better. Mighty interesting results for simple acetone and tranny fluid by a wide margin!
Penetrating oil..Average load (Lbs) .. Price per fluid ounce
W/O penetrant.... 516 pounds ….. $0.00
WD-40 ...............238 pounds .. $0.25
PB Blaster ...........214 pounds .. $0.35
Liquid Wrench .....127 pounds .. $0.21
Kano Kroil ..........106 pounds .. $0.75
ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds .. $0.10
The ATF-Acetone mix was a 50/50 mix (1 to 1 ratio). Does not stay mixed well and must be agitated from time to time during soaking."
Thank you Sir....I was thinking along those very lines, after I got through with this scientific project I'd wash everything in hot water and let it soak in a product called Z-Macks. I have read some of the articles on how it penetrates the steel it came in contact with, Carol Shelby, always promoted it, whatever that was worth. Can't hurt to do both, off to the Auto Supply store.
The junk gun has been setting in the acetone for hours and only disappeared briefly. The comic book character that I am married took an empty dish and filled it with water and hide the gun. She called me and said you had better come here and see what is going on. I looked in the dish and thought for a moment, oh my (*&^%#%^&&* is going on. Never a duel moment with this girl !!!!!!!
The junk gun has been setting in the acetone for hours and only disappeared briefly. The comic book character that I am married took an empty dish and filled it with water and hide the gun. She called me and said you had better come here and see what is going on. I looked in the dish and thought for a moment, oh my (*&^%#%^&&* is going on. Never a duel moment with this girl !!!!!!!
Hondo44
Hawkeye
LOL, that's what a good life is all about!
Well okay Hondo44, step one, the Vaq has been thoroughly soda washed rinsed and dried.
Step two was the wash and soak in the 50/50 mix of the ATF and Acetone. You were right it just does not want to stay mixed. Found the perfect device to keep things agitated, form Linda's kitchen gadgets. The super duper Smart Stick 2 speed Hand Blender, a little Simple Green wash up on the blades and through the dishwasher and she was non the wiser. That thing would be a good tool for the workshop, no telling what a man could find it useful for.
Step three was another washing and rinse. I'll be soaking it over night in the Z-Max solution then off to the GS for reassembly. All the stars must have been in line, nothing seemed to change on the bluing or the case color it all looks the same. I was still a little worried though Acetone/polish remover, I have screwed up several items using that stuff to get something off of things.
My plan is to just give it a good wipe down with no extra oil when back together and let it hang out on my desk top for a few days and see if the surface rust re-appears.
Step two was the wash and soak in the 50/50 mix of the ATF and Acetone. You were right it just does not want to stay mixed. Found the perfect device to keep things agitated, form Linda's kitchen gadgets. The super duper Smart Stick 2 speed Hand Blender, a little Simple Green wash up on the blades and through the dishwasher and she was non the wiser. That thing would be a good tool for the workshop, no telling what a man could find it useful for.
Step three was another washing and rinse. I'll be soaking it over night in the Z-Max solution then off to the GS for reassembly. All the stars must have been in line, nothing seemed to change on the bluing or the case color it all looks the same. I was still a little worried though Acetone/polish remover, I have screwed up several items using that stuff to get something off of things.
My plan is to just give it a good wipe down with no extra oil when back together and let it hang out on my desk top for a few days and see if the surface rust re-appears.
Hondo44
Hawkeye
Cool, looking forward to good results!
Hondo44....I truly thank you for your tip/solution on this re-appearing light surface rust problem I was having. Just for the heck of it, I put it in a high humidity location after I got it back from the GS. Five days and not a sign of surface rust where the case color meets the blued areas. As mentioned by BnewBerry Ruger would have returned it as an all blued gun and TurnBull would have added another $475.00 to the premium price the gun was in the first place, to make it right.
Again many thanks.
Respectfully
Jim
Again many thanks.
Respectfully
Jim
Hondo44
Hawkeye
Glad to hear you're satisfied with the result, I sure like happy endings.
Hondo...As you can see everything seems to be normal and still no surface rust, the flash from my Kodak seems to make the loading gate look odd but it's not and shows a mark on the frame that you can't see just looking at it. I dub you the rust control Guru and have renamed the gun ...Hondo-Vaqro 44-45 Black Crows-Head.
I didn't by some chance tell you what safe place I put the black grips did I. My office/gun room is just a tad out of order!!!
I didn't by some chance tell you what safe place I put the black grips did I. My office/gun room is just a tad out of order!!!
Hondo44
Hawkeye
LOL. But welcome to the club. I lost a complete gun in my house for 2 weeks once! Found it in the pantry. I had the gun in my hand one day when my wife asked me to fetch something in the pantry one day. The grips will show up when you least expect it.
I found 3 I didn't realize I had when I got ready to move down to Idaho. Things happen.
Hondo44....Bare Paw.....It was all a trick, just a trick!!!!!
Now back to the beginning of this post, Lefty pulled a trick on me while things were soaking. What I didn't go into detail was, she took the time and effort to pour out brown sugar in the dish she switched in the shape of a revolver. Now that took some time.
As I stated, I have been looking for the grips that go on this gun. Well her plan goes on!!!!! She has been on me but about addressing the condition of my office/gun room-cave, my spot was in. She has been telling me that her group of Ladies that get together this time of year to pick out a Wounded Warrior family to do something for was this Saturday evening. And my office is a mess, could you do something....Why yes Dear, close the door, I'll put up a enter at your own risk sign.
Several times this past week she has caught me in my cave...Out comes, what you doin....Oh nothing, just looking around.....Still looking for those grips huh....Yes Dear I'll find them...I don't know how, this room is such a mess.....Get out of here, I know where everything is, I've got a system....Well what about those grips did they slip out of your system!!!!!
The plot moves on....Today was the day to get things in order, Got all the project files on flash drives, got all the gun boxes and magazines, ammo, and all related gun stuff organized. Crap, still no grips.
The plot thickens....Lefty peeks in the cave late today and says, oh my, how nice everything looks, you even dusted,....did you find the grips.....No Dear... well maybe you put them some place else.
The day moves on and the ladies are here, I say hello, and retreated to the cave. Look what I found, along with a note. "I found these in the kitchen when you were trying to hide what you were doing with the mixer, and the chemical project you and Hondo were planning.
Fellows...I am not sure but I think Lefty has four different schemes going on right now at the same time. I have been thinking that maybe I need to give you two my cell and house numbers to check up on me every now and then. It was just yesterday she handed me a pair of scissors and said, you can run with these if I want to. You think I should be worried ?????
Now back to the beginning of this post, Lefty pulled a trick on me while things were soaking. What I didn't go into detail was, she took the time and effort to pour out brown sugar in the dish she switched in the shape of a revolver. Now that took some time.
As I stated, I have been looking for the grips that go on this gun. Well her plan goes on!!!!! She has been on me but about addressing the condition of my office/gun room-cave, my spot was in. She has been telling me that her group of Ladies that get together this time of year to pick out a Wounded Warrior family to do something for was this Saturday evening. And my office is a mess, could you do something....Why yes Dear, close the door, I'll put up a enter at your own risk sign.
Several times this past week she has caught me in my cave...Out comes, what you doin....Oh nothing, just looking around.....Still looking for those grips huh....Yes Dear I'll find them...I don't know how, this room is such a mess.....Get out of here, I know where everything is, I've got a system....Well what about those grips did they slip out of your system!!!!!
The plot moves on....Today was the day to get things in order, Got all the project files on flash drives, got all the gun boxes and magazines, ammo, and all related gun stuff organized. Crap, still no grips.
The plot thickens....Lefty peeks in the cave late today and says, oh my, how nice everything looks, you even dusted,....did you find the grips.....No Dear... well maybe you put them some place else.
The day moves on and the ladies are here, I say hello, and retreated to the cave. Look what I found, along with a note. "I found these in the kitchen when you were trying to hide what you were doing with the mixer, and the chemical project you and Hondo were planning.
Fellows...I am not sure but I think Lefty has four different schemes going on right now at the same time. I have been thinking that maybe I need to give you two my cell and house numbers to check up on me every now and then. It was just yesterday she handed me a pair of scissors and said, you can run with these if I want to. You think I should be worried ?????
Hondo44
Hawkeye
ROTFLMFAO, (rolling on the floor laughing my fool ass off).
OMG, now I have a much better idea about the challenges you face with such a "special" sweetheart of a wife. She is a piece of work, isn't she??? Never a dull moment with someone like her to love you.
Oh no, and I just realized she knows my identity :roll:
:shock: !!!
OMG, now I have a much better idea about the challenges you face with such a "special" sweetheart of a wife. She is a piece of work, isn't she??? Never a dull moment with someone like her to love you.
Oh no, and I just realized she knows my identity :roll:
:shock: !!!
olyinaz
Bearcat
LOL! Great thread. Great story. 
dakota1911
Buckeye
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I would only f with acetone in small volumes on small parts in a nice airy area.
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