Jousting.

[M118LR]

I must apologize as I have jousted with a member. I have coerced Jake into momentarily posting a 214 online.

He has nothing to be ashamed of, as we just bantered about the difference of how an Air Medal is annotated. Navy and Marine folks earn Naval Air Medals, folks in other services earn Air Medals.

All of them could be in the same airspace at the same time, but the medals awarded would have differing annotations.

Yet I must state that others who have never participated on such honorable actions claim to be experts in things they have never done, and start to sing disparaging words at folks that did.

They even cast a poor light on actual combat veterans telling them that they need to seek help. As if a person without combat experience is justified with such statements. Yet we wonder why 22 Combat Veterans a day commit suicide?

So to Jake I apologize, and to those that never did and cast dispersions on actual Combat Veterans, shame on you and all that follow you in lockstep. You know who you are. I just hope Jake understands that I apologize for drawing him out.

Thank Y'all for your Patience.

 

[M118LR]

I must also add to this public apology to Jake. Folks need to learn that the silence of generations past has not aided the 22'a day that can't coupe, it has lead to it. The ridicule that those that never did toss upon those that never had too, is part of this problem.

Never before has a decorated Vet shared with y'all their 214. It should never again be done. The only time that those that haven't should learn what those that did are when they pass. That is due to the stigma those that never did place on those that had to. That isn't helping those that decide to take their own life's. You can be part of the 22 a day problem, or you can choose to be part of the solution. You choose.

Rant over, speak out.

 

[M118LR]

So what prompted this thread? Well Papa Smurf an old acquaintance of mine at the Big Orange Box just learned firsthand about a different part of the 22 a day. He he found out that folks challenged with terminal illnesses may decide to take their own lives. They may consider it a blessing upon the folks that they're leaving behind. But he also learned that the folks being left behind may not want to take that journey so what do they have left. I suggested that his pastor should bring in a little bit of help from the government to assist them in their trip now that they have had one of their clergy members pass by self-inflicted death.
After all nobody understands what's happening until they've experienced it and once you experience it it's too late so how do you prevent it the next time! This may not be a subject of many folks want to partake upon. But it is a subject that needs to be conversed. JMHO YMMV.

 

[blume357]

M118LR,
The issue is that a lot of times what you post, some of us don't have a clue what you are saying... here are just a few examples from the three different post above:
"momentarily posting a 214 online."...
"the Big Orange Box "

Also, it took me two reads to figure out what you were saying... which was basically ....
Sorry Jake
If you have not flown or fought in combat don't criticize those that have.
We are averaging 22 vets a day committing suicide and we need to address this problem....

I totally support what you wrote... just saying... and the irony and hypocrisy is I guess I'm playing an internet English / writing teacher here... let's try to be just a little less wordy.... (in another thread I was really putting down the spelling and grammar police )

 

[txramfan]

Opened this and expected to be given a wealth of personal knowledge and experience in a old school field of battle .

 

[Mobuck]

my thoughts: If there's a member or members with whom one is constantly at odds, just ignore those posts from that/those individuals and move along. There is no need to continue a constant hiss and snarl. If you think a member is a 'poser' and can't get past that thought, send a PM or just ignore.

 

[RonEgg]

I must apologize as I have jousted with a member. I have coerced Jake into momentarily posting a 214 online.

He has nothing to be ashamed of, as we just bantered about the difference of how an Air Medal is annotated. Navy and Marine folks earn Naval Air Medals, folks in other services earn Air Medals.

All of them could be in the same airspace at the same time, but the medals awarded would have differing annotations.

Yet I must state that others who have never participated on such honorable actions claim to be experts in things they have never done, and start to sing disparaging words at folks that did.

They even cast a poor light on actual combat veterans telling them that they need to seek help. As if a person without combat experience is justified with such statements. Yet we wonder why 22 Combat Veterans a day commit suicide?

So to Jake I apologize, and to those that never did and cast dispersions on actual Combat Veterans, shame on you and all that follow you in lockstep. You know who you are. I just hope Jake understands that I apologize for drawing him out.

Thank Y'all for your Patience.

It is much more likely the ignorant yeoman that typed up your 214 screwed up and added Naval to the medal description. I never asked to see records of the people I flew with. Dollars to donuts theirs would say Air Medal. Incidentally a DD215 corrects errors on your 214. And yes I have one of those.

 

[M118LR]

Busy Sunday mourning. Got the soldier into the qualified hands of a VA nurse I know in Gainesville. She has way more resources and experience Papa Smurf is working with the Pastors to get that congregation some training and counseling on dealing with the aftermath. Now all that's left is to wait for Tuesday and see if my co-worker makes it through. I thought that X-mas was supposed to be the worst time for folks going suicidal? It's so much harder to make a difference with just the resources available as a civilian. God willing I won't be attending any funerals soon, but it's never certain. Yet doing nothing has never helped.
Thank Y'all for your ear, sometimes just being able to let off a little pressure, almost like journaling, can give someone the energy to try and assist another. I'm not sure that it's proper to just Pray that someone doesn't take their own life, a little intervention then prayers. Yet all I can do is have Faith.

 

[Joe Reilly]

Opened this and expected to be given a wealth of personal knowledge and experience in an old school field of battle .

When I saw the title, I thought “Don’t put your eye out”.

 

[Neon Vernon]

Opened this and expected to be given a wealth of personal knowledge and experience in a old school field of battle .

Me too, I was hoping to share my experiences as a self-taught jouster. My brother and I used to do it from ponies with stout tree limbs for lances. It's a miracle neither of us was killed.

 

[kmoore]

1st off, my post is not about a vet. It's about my wife (RIP). I was never in the military.
When she was given 2 weeks to live after 8 months of pancreatic cancer treatments, she wanted to leave the hospital and die at home. I loved her for 27 years and at that point I was going to bring her home no matter what. I told her so. As I was planning our escape a nurse walked in, she must have been listening outside of the room. She said she could set up home hospice and we could leave shortly.
Idaho doesn't have any type of end of life suicide and wife's beliefs prevented that act.
Hospice came and set up the bedroom with everything that she needed. They started giving her drugs that they said would ease her pain. I gave them to her when they were not present.
She slowly slipped away until she was alive but unconscious. About 24 hours later her oxygen level was below the level of her brain functioning. She was brain dead, but her body fought to live. Her body continued breathing for 3 more hours. Her body convulsed on and off. Her body was hiccupping and choking. I held her hand, cried and talked to her. I wanted to stop her body from all that but couldn't. It would not be suicide; I would be doing it. The hospice nurse was present, I told her I was going to end her breathing but couldn't by law. She told me over and over her didn't feel anything at that point. Well, I sure did.
With all that said there must be a better way to leave this world legally. I know some states allow it.
I know if she could have talked to me, she would have asked for her breathing to be stopped.
In a case like the one I mentioned, if the person wants to leave this world on their terms. They should be able to.
In 1998 my 76 year old step father was dying in the hospital. His body was breathing by a ventilator for 6 hours after any brain activity. Dr. came into the room with all family present. As a family everyone agreed to allow the ventilator to be disconnected. No one would step forward to do it. I loved him, I couldn't stand by so I raised my hand. I did it. Up to then, that was about the hardest thing I have needed to do. But someone had too.
I was not allowed to help in my wife's case. Just sitting there holding her hand for 3 hours was worse.

 

[Neon Vernon]

My condolences.

 

[M118LR]

1st off, my post is not about a vet. It's about my wife (RIP). I was never in the military.
When she was given 2 weeks to live after 8 months of pancreatic cancer treatments, she wanted to leave the hospital and die at home. I loved her for 27 years and at that point I was going to bring her home no matter what. I told her so. As I was planning our escape a nurse walked in, she must have been listening outside of the room. She said she could set up home hospice and we could leave shortly.
Idaho doesn't have any type of end of life suicide and wife's beliefs prevented that act.
Hospice came and set up the bedroom with everything that she needed. They started giving her drugs that they said would ease her pain. I gave them to her when they were not present.
She slowly slipped away until she was alive but unconscious. About 24 hours later her oxygen level was below the level of her brain functioning. She was brain dead, but her body fought to live. Her body continued breathing for 3 more hours. Her body convulsed on and off. Her body was hiccupping and choking. I held her hand, cried and talked to her. I wanted to stop her body from all that but couldn't. It would not be suicide; I would be doing it. The hospice nurse was present, I told her I was going to end her breathing but couldn't by law. She told me over and over her didn't feel anything at that point. Well, I sure did.
With all that said there must be a better way to leave this world legally. I know some states allow it.
I know if she could have talked to me, she would have asked for her breathing to be stopped.
In a case like the one I mentioned, if the person wants to leave this world on their terms. They should be able to.
In 1998 my 76 year old step father was dying in the hospital. His body was breathing by a ventilator for 6 hours after any brain activity. Dr. came into the room with all family present. As a family everyone agreed to allow the ventilator to be disconnected. No one would step forward to do it. I loved him, I couldn't stand by so I raised my hand. I did it. Up to then, that was about the hardest thing I have needed to do. But someone had too.
I was not allowed to help in my wife's case. Just sitting there holding her hand for 3 hours was worse.

That is sort of like Papa Smurfs friend. Beloved member of the congregation, all there Prayed for his wife as she entered surgery to remove the brain tumor, but by the time they got back the after surgery results the cancer had started reforming and began to spread. Nobody knows/is sure that she even knows that her husband Committed suicide. Her prognosis isn't good, it almost makes me wonder if it wouldn't be better if she didn't recover enough to know her current position. The church group has an affiliation with a Christian Counseling Group, so Papa Smurf and the others in the congregation can seek help free of charge. In times of deepest despair the church is always a place to start.

Sorry for your suffering sir.

BTW edit. My wife's brother sat drooling in a wheelchair for 5 years while his wife tended to him, tube feed him, and this without any mechanical aids. So I may have to endure or take action, what a choice? Veterinarians have it easy, when the quality of a pets life is such that all that's left is suffering. Pets can be humanely put down.

 

[kmoore]

That is sort of like Papa Smurfs friend. Beloved member of the congregation, all there Prayed for his wife as she entered surgery to remove the brain tumor, but by the time they got back the after surgery results the cancer had started reforming and began to spread. Nobody knows/is sure that she even knows that her husband Committed suicide. Her prognosis isn't good, it almost makes me wonder if it wouldn't be better if she didn't recover enough to know her current position. The church group has an affiliation with a Christian Counseling Group, so Papa Smurf and the others in the congregation can seek help free of charge. In times of deepest despair the church is always a place to start.

Sorry for your suffering sir.

BTW edit. My wife's brother sat drooling in a wheelchair for 5 years while his wife tended to him, tube feed him, and this without any mechanical aids. So I may have to endure or take action, what a choice? Veterinarians have it easy, when the quality of a pets life is such that all that's left is suffering. Pets can be humanely put down.

In the end, with my step father. Days later I found out he signed a paper stated no life sustaining measures.
My wife, I felt it was my duty and honor as her husband to do everything I could for her. And I did up till the end. It wasn't easy. I understand why some husbands end their wife's suffering when the end is near. But they all get arrested.

 

[Yaworski]

Never before has a decorated Vet shared with y'all their 214.

I've seen many people post their DD214.