I've given up on "Designated Survivor"

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I had big hopes for this new TV show, both on its premise and on Keifer Sutherland (I guess I still think of him as Jack Bauer in "24"). But halfway through the third (or was it the fourth) episode I turned it off and canceled all future recordings. I guess his wimpiness just got to me, but worse, his portrayal of the Navy Seals sent to capture or kill the prime terrorist, a la the killing of Bin Laden in real life, was more than I could take. They find the target, and hesitate to act because the terrorist and his group are holding a few local children as hostages. They likely could have fired immediately and taken out the bad guys without losing any or many of the hostages by acting quickly, but the very fact that they portrayed the Seals as willing to NOT accomplish the mission out of concern for collateral damage is a disservice to our military. I understand that there would be reluctance to endanger innocent bystanders, especially children, but to have the Seals, after all the effort to get into the facility and then to find their target act as if it is unthinkable to endanger others just drove me up the wall. Only when one of the terrorists fires first do the Seals fire and complete their mission. Then the show portrays the President as being in anguish over the loss of one man in the accomplishment of the Mission, a Mission that in true life would likely result in multiple casualties. But casualties are a price we must be willing to endure if we are to prevail. So watching Keifer Sutherland portray this totally wishy-washy President, hostage to the Political Correctness of, oh the humanity, of having someone get killed during a military operation was more than I could stomach. I don't blame Sutherland of course, he is just an actor. I blame the writers and producers of the show who obviously have a very limited and slanted view of our elite military forces.

Just imagine if our real aviators in WWII had refused to drop their bombs on German or Japanese cities because they knew that innocent children would be killed along with the military targets, or if Col. Tibbets had refused at the last minute to release the A-bomb from the Enola Gay over Heroshima because of all the civilians residing in Heroshima. Unimaginable.

As an aside, this whole episode made me think about the real life incident and the movie portraying such, "Lone Survivor" with Mark Wahlberg. If we ever needed to see what happens when a real military operation is compromised by unduly emotional concern for other than the Mission, this is it. My hope is that our actual military watching "Lone Survivor" will come to the necessary conclusion about how to react when ordinary human concerns endanger the success of their operation. And I likewise hope that if they watch "Designated Survivor" they will understand the fiction of the portrayal of the Seals and not use it as a guide for their real reaction in a critical moment.
 
Think of the type of folks making these shows...barf! They also have been portraying women in combat for years,including elite units.
 
gtxmonte said:
It's TV dude.........not a documentary
I have to agree that a real situation like that probably wouldn't have gone that way. As far as Keifer Sutherland's character being wishy washy, don't forget he was the head of HUD and thrust into the position. I'm still hanging in to see how it goes. I find the premise intriguing
 
I'm about to give up on it. Looks like they're setting up some "vast right-wing conspiracy" to have been the villians in blowing up the government, not radical islam. Soon as they go that way, I'm OUT.
 
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It was obvious from the beginning, with the "evil" general ready to seize the government. Maybe next week's episode, which I will skip, right before the real election, will have Trump behind the bombing!
 
Since when can't generals be evil or war mongering tyrants ready to seize control of a government? Again it's only a weekly drama. How long would it last if there was no conflict, conspiracies or nasty people?
 
I like the show it is TV no real navy seal was on the show and the capital really did not blow up.
 
vito said:
It was obvious from the beginning, with the "evil" general ready to seize the government. Maybe next week's episode, which I will skip, right before the real election, will have Trump behind the bombing!

I bailed out after the first two episodes, because it became obvious which way the political winds were blowing on the show. No thanks.

. . . I suppose that's the reason why the only two TV shows I'm watching right now is "The Walking Dead" and Starz Network's "Ash and Evil Dead," along with a bunch of Velocity channel. No politics one way or another, unless you count the guy in LA who made the "Negan wants 50% of your s***, Hillary demands all of it" signs. :mrgreen:
 
Well, I haven't watched it at all,,,, but Miss Penny has been watching it.
As noted,,, it's a TV show.
Sadly,,,, all too many people live their life by TV. Facts, reality, & other stuff never enters their minds. So, these TV & movie producers knowingly use such programs to "educate" the unwilling masses to their agenda.
When a TV show or a movie offers a political slant differing from your opinion, or even when in real life an actor chooses to use their celebrity status to promote an agenda that goes against your beliefs,,, you have the right to not watch the TV or movie. You have the right to nor support that actor or the people who employ them.

But back to the info about the show & the comments about the Seals hesitating in their mission for fears of hurting innocents,,, shows how far we have declined in our Country. As noted,,, in WWII,,, we had the whole country behind the war effort, and we KNEW we'd be killing innocent people when we dropped the Bombs. The goal was achieved,,, we got Japan to understand we meant business, and would destroy them if they continued to fight.
It's raw basic nature. The strongest fight to win,, and there are no rules.
We won our American Revolution because we didn't play by English rules.
We won other wars by fighting to win.
Yet,, politics caused a "draw" in Korea, and a "loss" in Vietnam. It has also cost us a loss in the most recent wars in Iraq & Afghanistan. Politics & fears of upsetting people when innocents are killed.

It is war, and as such, innocent people will die.

But when the leaders understand we will kill everyone,,, they will understand they will not have a country to run if nobody is alive to serve them.

Nope,,, I haven't watched the TV show like this,,, but I have spent time studying history.
 
Of course I understand that the show is not reality, but only entertainment fiction. But I don't like to get preached to by those who clearly have a poltical agenda that differs too greatly from my own. I served 24 years on active duty and I guess I get easily offended when our military is portrayed in a false negative light. It seems the lefties in Hollywood are often too timid to portray our real enemies and so they make big corporations or the military as the bad guys. How many years did we have to put up with the Vietnam vet portrayed almost universally as a drug addicted psycho unable to readjust to civilian life?

I'll add that another show I have never watched and will never watch is the one that is a not very desguised fictionalized version of Hilary Clinton as the Secretary of State. But just from the promos of this show it is obvious that they want us to think that this fake Secretary of State is so smart, and so brave and so dedicated, and of course the fact that the character is made to look roughly like Hilary is just a coincidence? People do use fictionalized TV shows and movies as guides on how to behave or act in certain situations. I read a report once that in fact members of the real Mafia, here in America, started using expressions and acting like the gangsters on the Sopranos, becoming a case of life imitating art. I don't like the idea that young men (and women) might at some level think that the behavior they should emulate if they ever reach the level of being a special operations military member is to compromise their Mission if such conflicts with the normal civilian reluctance to harm innocents who are in the way.
 
vito said:
Of course I understand that the show is not reality, but only entertainment fiction. But I don't like to get preached to by those who clearly have a poltical agenda that differs too greatly from my own. I served 24 years on active duty and I guess I get easily offended when our military is portrayed in a false negative light. It seems the lefties in Hollywood are often too timid to portray our real enemies and so they make big corporations or the military as the bad guys. How many years did we have to put up with the Vietnam vet portrayed almost universally as a drug addicted psycho unable to readjust to civilian life?

I'll add that another show I have never watched and will never watch is the one that is a not very desguised fictionalized version of Hilary Clinton as the Secretary of State. But just from the promos of this show it is obvious that they want us to think that this fake Secretary of State is so smart, and so brave and so dedicated, and of course the fact that the character is made to look roughly like Hilary is just a coincidence? People do use fictionalized TV shows and movies as guides on how to behave or act in certain situations. I read a report once that in fact members of the real Mafia, here in America, started using expressions and acting like the gangsters on the Sopranos, becoming a case of life imitating art. I don't like the idea that young men (and women) might at some level think that the behavior they should emulate if they ever reach the level of being a special operations military member is to compromise their Mission if such conflicts with the normal civilian reluctance to harm innocents who are in the way.
Wouldn't that be what TRAINING is for. Doubt there are really many natural born, unsympathetic killers that are actually in the US military. You have to be trained to do your job. And also, regardless of your job description, taking a life should be something hard to do for most any decent person. Not that you should hesitate, but it should be hard. I think most of the Hollywood stuff is NOT to attempt to downgrade the military, but to try and get across the "human element" of the story. I am not so much of a conspiracy theorist, that I think EVERYTHING Hollywood does has some type political leftist motive
 
It's television.
Expecting quality programming is like going to McDonald's and ordering health food.
 
I've watched the first 3 episodes, and will watch a couple more. However, I believe it will be like Revolution, V, and others that I liked, that failed. The problem, for me, is the premise is far more suited to an 8-10 episode run, rather than a season after season run.
Another example is Marvel Agents of Shield. It was a good show, for a season. After that? Boring. How many times can they have Ward go from good guy, to bad guy, and back, again, and again, and again. Boring.
 
There's something odd about that program. My wife watches it and likes it. I've watched a couple of episodes, and it has the look of a soap opera. Not for me.
 

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