Israel issues Ruger 1022 carbines

[XUSNORDIE]

Found this interesting as I have several 10/22 carbines, including one customized for ARA style competition.

Israel issues them for crowd control and has used them in the West Bank. There are several whiny bleeding heart ridiculous write ups about them being used, poo pooing on Israel and Ruger, but you can search those on your own.

I'm interested in what modifications these Ruger carbines have and what type ammo is used. I intend to research more about them as I think it's pretty cool.

 

[Watertender]

As Arte Johnson on Laugh In used to say.... Verrry Interestink!!

 

[GunnyGene]

I think the IDF decided that 10/22's and .22lr were a much lighter budget lift for this application and for training purposes.

 

[XUSNORDIE]

That makes sense but to be deployed as anti personnel application from, I'm guessing a distance further than non-lethal 12ga or bags? Either way it's interesting to me and I'm curious to have a closer look at these 1022's....and their engagement capability. Cool stuff.

 

[XUSNORDIE]

Where have I been to not know of this? It's apparently not a recent thing and Israel has been using Ruger 22's for awhile....10/22 and SR22.....

A simple search shows a lot of cool interesting stuff and some very laughable stuff. This is going to take awhile....found my weekend reading/watching.

Quick Wiki search:

Military users Israel: The Ruger 10/22 has seen limited use by the Israel Defense Forces in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict as a "less than lethal" weapon for security and crowd or "riot" control purposes in the Palestinian territories.

Some stuff on YouTube also.

Just thought it would be of interest to 10/22 owners. I was in the dark about it.

 

[JAYDAWG]

For some reason (old age?) I believe they used full auto suppressed 10-22's in the past?

 

[XUSNORDIE]

The more I read about Rugers in Israel the more I'm intrigued by this.

 

[XUSNORDIE]

Looks like some SR22's in use also

 

[davevabch]

Looks like some SR22's in use also

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So am I. I would love to see the purchase agreement for one. The ammo used and the training and where they want the bullet to hit etc,

 

[XUSNORDIE]

I don't know where I've been and never knew about this. Apparently the IDF and Israeli Police have used these since the 80's. I haven't found specifics on the rounds just that they use a 40gr solid at 1435 fps. Doesn't really narrow it down. The intent of the carbines are not to kill but incapacitate protestors during violent riots or when IDF soldiers and/or Police are targeted. When a protestor is hit in the lower leg, it takes several others to take him away slowly dispersing the crowd. Not a new tactic really but interesting weapon choice for it. I still need to do more research. I'm more interested in the Ruger's than anything else. I want to know more about the components. There are a few different variants of the 10/22 in use. I saw cool video where a guy built a replica and gave "some" history behind it.

From a 2023 article on Frontier Partisans:

I've been paying close attention to the war in Israel and Gaza; watching a lot of footage. Came across some video of Palestinians — probably late teens/early 20s — throwing stones at vehicles in a chaotic protest on a road. This was, I believe, on Saturday, and it wasn't clear to me whether the footage was real time or from recent protests.

Suddenly, one of the most active stone-throwers pulled up his right leg, his face knotted in a grimace of pain, and he began to hop away on his good leg. His comrades abandoned their pile of rocks and helped him down an incline and out of the frame.

I knew immediately what had happened: The stone-thrower had taken a .22lr round to the ankle or shin.

 

[OMCHamlin]

Yep, you gotta admire those guys, they get it done on a minimalist TOE, and YES, I suppose a kneecap with a .22LR round nose could be "less than lethal", but they manage to be a little extra bastardy about it!

 

[XUSNORDIE]

Imagine being a DM reporting to your command and instead of drawing a DMR or EBR you are handed a customized Ruger 10/22 or SR22

It's sort of funny if you think about it. In most of the pics of these Ruger 22s you can see they have an AR platform slung or nearby as their main weapon.

 

[contender]

Ruger has a long history of exporting various models of firearms to other countries. Sometimes,, variations exist to comply with regulations for specific countries.

 

[mr.deerstalker]

Bill Ruger would be Proud...

 

[XUSNORDIE]

Ruger has a long history of exporting various models of firearms to other countries. Sometimes,, variations exist to comply with regulations for specific countries.

Agreed but for this specific role is very interesting. Not that Ruger cares, business is business. In this case I don't think the variations had anything to do with Israel's regulations. From what I've seen so far there are a couple different suppressed versions and a couple standard appearing non suppressed, even with the barrel band. Very interesting. Would love to see the training COF/QUAL for this tactic.

 

[contender]

I agree that this is an interesting topic. But often,, many people think of only the US market & not worldwide. Especially if there are odd variations. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

I like the idea that the IDF is using 10/22's like that.

 

[bnewberry]

Col. Jeff Cooper wrote about using .22 rifles to deal with riots in the 80’s. I wonder if there is a connection.

 

[XUSNORDIE]

I like the idea that the IDF is using 10/22's like that.

The fact they have been doing so since the 80's and I didn't know or can't remember hearing/reading about it amazes me.

 

[JAYDAWG]

Whack 'em in the knee cap, non lethal.
The eyeball or ear hole.....quite lethal

 

[Mobuck]

A suppressed 22 rimfire can be an extremely effective device for removing rabble rousers within a crowd.

 

[Watertender]

Whack 'em in the knee cap, non lethal.
The eyeball or ear hole.....quite lethal

Where do you whack a skeeter?

 

[smith1961]

Bill Ruger would be Proud...

Alex Sturm even more!

 

[Major E.A. Sterner]

I think I read about the IDF using suppressed 10/22’s to kneecap the opposition to break up the angry crowds in Soldier of Fortune back in the 80’s. It wasn’t an article specifically about that, just a general statement.

 

[gunzo]

Agreed, have always heard they went for the knee if they had to fire. But lately, there has been talk that if things are worse but the Israelis still not wanting to kill, a crotch shot is the next .

 

[RC44Mag]

Where do you whack a skeeter?

John Valby reference?

 

[XUSNORDIE]

Agreed, have always heard they went for the knee if they had to fire. But lately, there has been talk that if things are worse but the Israelis still not wanting to kill, a crotch shot is the next .

Well that would answer post #21 but I don't think that would be a feasible POA. It would covered with various clothing. Not that a moving kneecap, ankle, shin, etc.. under pants is easier. Unless you are joking can you please refer me to where you came across the crotch consideration?

I think I read about the IDF using suppressed 10/22's to kneecap the opposition to break up the angry crowds in Soldier of Fortune back in the 80's. It wasn't an article specifically about that, just a general statement.

I vaguely remember it being mentioned I think years ago on RFC. But it didn't seem to peak my interest then apparently.

 

[Fox Mike]

Whack 'em in the knee cap, non lethal.
The eyeball or ear hole.....quite lethal

I too was amazed at the "less then lethal" comment. You can bleed out from a .22lr hole as well as from a 50 cal hole; just a little slower.

 

[XUSNORDIE]

Liberty Suppressors will build a "IDF Ruger" replica for you. All you need to provide is a modified stock and a barrel (They prefer a Charger barrel).

The suppressor is pinned/permanent.

Order yours now for only $2,250

 

[XUSNORDIE]

I too was amazed at the "less then lethal" comment. You can bleed out from a .22lr hole as well as from a 50 cal hole; just a little slower.

The idea is to shoot the kneecap and down, from what I've read. That is certainly much "less than lethal" than shooting for COM or head. A lot more difficult as well.

Yes if not addressed a 22lr will bleed you out or even cause you a slow painful death from infection. Not arguing that. However the POI that the IDF are targeting is less likely to do that.

It's been difficult to find much info on this that legit and not laughable, and I don't mean that in a insensitive way.

 

[gunzo]

XUSN, I was serious but couldn't possibly remember where or when I read it, & it may or may not have pertained to the Israelis, but thinking it was/is a tactic.

1 source; Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch has discussed it & it's known as the zipper drill.