Handgun Rifle Combo

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I have a 44mag SBH in SS w/ a 4 5/8 and a NBH in 45LC w/ a 4 5/8 barrel, I'm now wanting to match it up with a Marlin Lever Gun. I want one that will pack a wallop and thinking of the 1895GBL in 45-70. If I go that route do I keep the 44 or 45 as it's mate? I'm partial to the 45LC but 44mag seems a bit more in the wallop area then 45LC.
 
in revolvers: if you just buy factory at the usual outlets then get a 44. OTOH, if you reload or are willing to locate the better 45LC loads, then it's the winner.

i carry a 45LC SA and own both a marlin 45/70 and 45LC levers as companion rifles. with the right loads the marlin 45LC come close to a factory loaded 45/70. and with custom 45/70 loads, it can take anything on earth. the colt is handier, the 45/70 is a decisive stopper. all depends on what you plan to shoot at.
 
You just haven't tried .45 hunting loads from Buffalo Bore,Grizzly or Cor Bon.You will have all the wallop you can use.Either gun would suit me with the right ammo.That 1895 is a great gun and more accurate than you can imagine.
 
coyote":3o28vs59 said:
in revolvers: if you just buy factory at the usual outlets then get a 44. OTOH, if you reload or are willing to locate the better 45LC loads, then it's the winner.

i carry a 45LC SA and own both a marlin 45/70 and 45LC levers as companion rifles. with the right loads the marlin 45LC come close to a factory loaded 45/70. and with custom 45/70 loads, it can take anything on earth. the colt is handier, the 45/70 is a decisive stopper. all depends on what you plan to shoot at.

Good post!

:D
 
I'm partial to the 45LC but 44mag seems a bit more in the wallop area then 45LC.

Time to start rolling your own. The 45LC can be loaded to near 454 Casull power levels in the right gun. If you are shooting off the shelf stuff, then the 44 has more options, but the 45LC will kick the .429's butt.
 
I don't get it? If you are going to get a 45-70 rifle it won't matter which handgun you have. :?

The idea of a companion gun is to have both a rifle and a handgun in the same chambering. Personally I prefer the 44mag but the 45colt can work just as well. :D

...Jimbo
 
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I'd keep both!

One set up for practice / fun loads and the other for full tilt hunting loads.
 
Jimbo357mag":3lz18uzs said:
The idea of a companion gun is to have both a rifle and a handgun in the same chambering.

Precisely why gasmandave should sell his current revolvers and buy one of these: http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.as ... e=BFR45-70

It also comes with a "puny" 7.5" barrel, but I wouldn't suggest that- "Go big, or go home." :P

I actually shot one of these a few years ago, and it was a hoot. The gun just rolled back in your hand, recoil was very manageable. It later occurred to me that perhaps the factory loads I used were very mild, as though loaded at pressures more suitable for the Trapdoor Springfield.

Either way, it was a LOT of fun. I decided on the spot that I needed to buy one. Luckily, I came to my senses later! 8)
 
The 44 mag Marlin rifle is much easier to find than a 45 Colt Marlin rifle. That is a "compaion" rifle. If you want a marlin lever gun to go with a sigle action rifle. Get a 30-30. Ammo is cheap and easy to find.
 
Can't make up my mind, I've been over on the marlin owners
( www.marlinowners.com ) forum and have read a bit on the options of 45-70, 44mag, 45LC. and can't decide which of these levers would be best. A 44 maggie or 45LC would allow me to just carry one type of ammo. But I would want something that would handle about everything. So a SBH 44 w/ the same in a Lever gun is my leaning. I hunted with a fellow years ago in California that shot a right large Black Tail with the Ruger 44 mag auto loader rifle, it did right well too. And I see on this forum that the SRH Alaskan in 44 seems quite popular.
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That's to all who chimed in so far.

Jimbo357, it's the power level I'm concerned with thats why 45-70 in the 1895GBL www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbth ... ost3779214
is considered along with 45LC & 44 mag. I've look into Buffalo Bore in 45LC as a loading and currently load my 45 with Corbon's 300 gr JSP @ 1300 fps. and my 44 with off the shelf 240 JSP
 
What do you really need the power of a 45/70 for? Don't get me wrong. I bought one just for the cool factor, but it's overkill even on a 300 lb whitetail. If I were you, I'd pick up an 1894 in either 44 or 45 Colt. If you handload, or are rich enough to afford the expensive stuff, I'd go with the 45 Colt. Can't go wrong with either. I love Marlin levers!
 
True, there is a certain amount of "cool" in the equation but can you get a 45 or 44 out to 300 yards with enough "umph" to make a 1 shot kill? I own a 30-30 and a 30-06 and trust both for white tails and bear/hog w/30-06. But I read a test done with a 30-30 rifle vs 44mag out of a 6" S&W Mod 29 and both were rated equal @ 100 yards. So I'm still weighing out all info on the subject. It's funny though that I have no problem with either 44mag or 45LC out of a 4 5/8" Ruger. Go figure?!? :roll:
 
The .44Mag has it all over the .30-30, within its effective range of about 125-150yds. The .30-30 is a great whitetail and hog cartridge and can be pressed into elk duty with the proper bullet but that's about it. The .44Mag has taken every head of game on the planet......from a sixgun. The problem with most .44 leverguns is the very slow twist rate that won't stabilize bullets over 300gr. Which is okay because 300gr bullets will do most of what needs doing and nothing longer will feed anyway.
 
As for "companion" guns, I'm a 45LC guy. It took me a few years of trial 'n error to get there though.
Tried a 44Mag Marlin '94 way back when. What I found was that the one I bought kicked perty-hard with factory ammo, and that it wasn't all that accurate, nor reliable. In fact, the Ruger SBH that I was using at the time was capable of better accuracy than the Marlin. Thing about the SBH though, was that it kicked even harder and was such a big ungainly revolver that it was plumb-unhandy to pack around.....and not much fun to shoot, leastways not for me.
Enter the 45LC. It still has a big fat bullet, is still quite accurate, and is available in a smaller/handier revolver. I've also found that even in it's standard "service" loadings, the 45LC has much more power than it's paper-ballistics suggest. The recoil of a 255/850-900 load is more than managable out of a Colt-sized 6-gun and almost non-existant out of a levergun. One can litteraly shoot either all day long for fun, take all manner of deer and hogs, and/or use either as a defensive arm.
The 30-30 works good for me too. Adds about 75 yds of range over the 45LC out of a carbine, still fun to shoot and the rifles themselves are reliable....and perty cheap.
The 45-70?....Bigger/heavier gun, kicks real hard, ammo is rather expensive, dies are rather expensive, and the guns are rather expensive. I've shot a few 45-70's and must admit that they have a certain charm. But being's how I don't plan to be tracking down big bears or elephants, or engaging in long range competitions, I never saw a thing they would do in the woods that a good shooter with a 30-30 can't do.

All that said though....was I starting out new today, I might just lean towards a 357 combo, or maybe a 38-40. Both of those have an out-of-porportionate amount of power out of a light/handy carbine too. And aint bad out of a 6-gun.

Just my 02 .

DGW
 
My combo is an early (1986) Bisley SBH 44Mag,and a Marlin 1894P 44Mag. It works for me. I do have a rather strange pair or two. One is a Marlin 444S,and a Thompson/Center Contender with a 14in bbl also in 444 Marlin. That does jump a bit. Lastly is two T/C Encores,one rifle with a 24in bbl,and a pistol with a 15in bbl,both are in 30-06. More to come.
 
Well, your "combo" doesn't 'have' to be in the same chambering. Sometimes they just go together like peanut butter and jelly. Like this pairing of a Winchester 1873 .38-40 and a Colt 1860 Richards conversion .44Colt, both in Italian replica form.
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I own both the .44 Marlin and .45/70,16" and 18" barrels,respectively.Both are great guns and both have their place.There isn't much difference in price.

The .44 has a slow rate of twist which is optimum for 240 gr slugs.Once you start shooting 300 gr and up slugs,accuracy starts falling off.Speer does make an awesome 270 gr slug that works well.It is a shame Marlin doesn't wake up on this issue.A faster rate of twist would make this gun more versatile and one of the best .44 carbines ever.I still like it a lot.The owner of Buffalo Bore,says his wife uses one for elk.He has all his rebarreled to a faster rate of twist and they use heavy,hardcast bullets.The .44 is basically a 150 yd gun and in a lot of the Eastern woods,that's plenty.I use mine here in Montana when I go in the timber or real thick stuff and load it with either Buffalo Bore's 270 gr Speer SP load or their 305 gr hardcast.The gun weighs about 6 lbs before loading and holds 9 rounds.

The Marlin 1895 Guide gun is a lot of gun for the money.Very well put together and very accurate.Definitely not too much gun for deer with factory loads and it is not a hard kicker with them either.A good bear stopper too,with factory loads or heavier.Where the 1895 really shines,in addition to it's inherent accuracy,is the ability to using much heavier loads than standard factory,giving a wide range of power levels available and a wide range of bullets too.Heavy bullet loadings go up to 500 grs and with the right heavy load,the Guide gun can and has,taken bison,cape buffalo,large moose and brown bears.Power level in the hottest loads is about 85% of what a .458 Win Mag generates,but in a 7 lb gun.Yes they kick but standard factory loads are about like shooting a 20 gauge.

The 1895 has a 5 round capacity.I put a fiberglass stock on my current stainless Guide gun and it now weighs 6.5 lbs.It,like my former blued one will shoot 1.5" groups all day long with any ammo that I have tried-using iron sights.What other gun could you buy a box of cartridges for,suited for whitetails and only moderate recoil or a box that you could hunt dangerous African or Alaskan game-or anything inbetween? It is a very versatile gun.The effective range for me,is 200 yds.

Both are great guns.Slightly different niches with a little overlap.You decide.I couldn't.I own both.
 
On the other hand...the Guide gun planted this big bear in it's tracks at a distance of 40' using a factory level load with a 300 gr Nosler Partition bullet.
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I don't care if they tune the action to feed the long, heavyweight cast bullets or not but the least they could do is give us a 1-20" twist. Tuning is cheap, barrels ain't. ;)
 
This is it Gasman,... and a Marlin "Stainless model-1894" .44mag

BTW... those factory grips look killer! 8)

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I have a 7 1/2" Bisley in 45 LC and a Puma lever rifle in 454 Casull. The Puma will reliably cycle heavy bullet 45 Colt loads as well as the Casull rounds.
The Bisley has 9 Whitetails to date
still hoping to break in the Puma this fall.
I like the CorBon, Grizzly and Buffalo Bore 300gr JSP loads in 45 Colt
The same bullet in 454 Casull is nice in the Puma
 
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