Gunstore Comments on LCP Max

[JackBull]

Went to LGS to look at the G42, LCP Max and BG 2.0. I really liked the Max over the Glock. The owners told me that he had to send every Max back to Ruger to repair, around 15 of them. Claims they are a little better now. Thoughts?

 

[miniman]

now thats a load of crap right there.every one i know with a max has been happy mine has been great over 500 rds no issues.

 

[Cholo]

My MAX and a friend's MAX have been flawless. It's still a newer polymer Ruger that have had their problems, though. Glocks seem good to go out of the box with very few problems.

What is a BG 2.0?

 

[davevabch]

So did they have the BG 2.0?

 

[OMCHamlin]

Early adopter of the Max here, zero problems.

 

[Hvymax]

The Max9 is a perfect example of unreliability out of the box. First gun I have ever had to send back. On the brighter side it seems to work now. It's insanely accurate for what it is. I would love to see an LCP Max with a shrunk down Ready Dot and Cowitness Irons!!!

 

[rammerjammer]

Sounds like some gun counter BS. All 15 back to the mothership? Right...

 

[davevabch]

The first question I would have asked is "Why". As someone that has been in a Pocket gun shooting club since about 2010, I have seen both fail. If fact we don't see a lot of Glocks. Of the 380's that Ruger sell's, the only one I would I would purchase the the LCP GEN 2 which is still made. In fact recently purchase another one a few months back. I have owned many.
While the cosmetics and some features that I am not overly concerned about, of the other Rugers, I am bettomg the quality is about the same. Not meant for a lot of shooting and longevity. That said, most owners do not shoot them much anyway.

So what was the guy behind the counter pushing? If he is new, I would say Glock.

 

[JackBull]

So did they have the BG 2.0?

They did not. They said it would be shipping after labor day.

 

[JMD101]

They did not. They said it would be shipping after labor day.

You'll get better info here than most any LGS. We get all the info good, bad, how to fix.

 

[JackBull]

The lgs owner did say you should not shoot +P in the Max but the G42 would be OK. That I believe, at least about the 42.

 

[davevabch]

Interesting, After my earlier post, I was thinking about the 380. cartridge and how many new guns have come along. Quite a coincidence when a few hours later I received a Email from Gun-Test and talking about the same thing. I have for years said the bashing of the 380 will in the future, for the most part will become non-existent. More and more people are desiring lighter weight firearms. The MARKET will be seen by the manufacturers and you will see advancements in this cartridge. And that is taking place. More and more 380's.


While I love my Micro 9mm's, and I currently carry a small 380 almost 98% of the time. I am moving even more toward getting of the 9mm for future carry. I just do not see myself carrying the 9mm's. (Of course, I have always been a Pocket gun enthusiast)
The new Smith is RATED at 10oz. Man that is nice. Practicle. And I do believe the Smith will be a very good quality.

GUN-Test.
"Once snubbed for being underpowered, at least in the American market, modern bullet technology has granted new life to the 380 ACP. As a result, we have recently witnessed several manufacturers introducing new 380 ACP pistols. We grabbed two of the newest models as well as a classic piece against which we can measure the latest handguns"
Also watched this video AND TOTALLY AGREE WITH HIM.

 

[hittman]

I think the G42 and 43 are the same physical size. If so, for ME at least, the 9mm makes more sense.

 

[davevabch]

I have always said, guns are like shoes. One size does not fit all. I do like the Pocket gun and in comparison I will carry my Kahr P380 over my Kahr CM9. And the CM9 is very light for a Micro. But like Hickok mentioned to was weight. IMO ounces do matter. The Glock 42 is almost the weight of my Kahr 9mm. The Glock 43 about the typical weight of most Micro 9mm's around 18 oz.

I love Kahr's and they are suppose to bring out their new 9mm. Personally not interested even though I am a Kahr Fan Boy. The new Smith does appeal to me as a new option I would take over the times I feel the need to take my 9mm.

Regardless, since the OP was talking about three different guns, Of the three I would choose at this point the Smith. And I actually like the safety especially if the Trigger is not going to be a DAO style in a Pocket gun.

 

[Hvymax]

My Max 9 feels like a brick in my pocket compared to my Gen1 lcp. I really like the sights on the new Max version. The sights on my gen1 are dismal at best.

 

[Paul Fletcher]

I am slightly off course with this reply...I have a Max9 and I did have a problem with the trigger locking up the gun at my annual L.E. requalification....sent it back to Ruger with detailed info .... they sent it back as no problem.....I tried it again and it locked up the gun so I ordered a Galloway Precision Short trigger kit and once installed my gun has run flawless. I have a Romeo Zero on it and I carry it in a OWB Locking Leather holster. I have complete faith in it and man is it accurate. I have had problems with Smith and Wesson, Colt, and over the 45 years of L.E. and retirement....if it is made by man it can screw up! Ruger makes great products and I have quite a few of them!

 

[Tenbore]

Sounds like some gun counter BS. All 15 back to the mothership? Right...

Some of the dumbest people I have met were behind a gun counter.

 

[Terry G]

Some of the dumbest people I have met were behind a gun counter.

I was checking out a S&W M&P .45 and asked the Clerk to see it. He took it out of the case handed it to me and “Its ok to try the trigger out.” Didn’t clear it and invited me to try the trigger! Wow! I cleared it and did not squeeze the trigger. I ended up buying it, but I quietly told the clerk what a bad idea it was not to clear the gun.

 

[WalterEmrick]

I bought two LCP max 75th. One was fine and the other went back for barrel and slide replacement. Per my experience 50% of them are ok. Personally, I would wait. S&W just came out with their bodyguard 2.0. I had no idea or I would have went for that instead of the LCP.

 

[davevabch]

Some of the dumbest people I have met were behind a gun counter.

And some of the dumbest were on the other side of the Counter. And there are people that just do not have a lot of knowledge on both sides. It is not just isolated to gun stores. I have been evolved with guns since a kid. I know more than most behind the counter. Now if I walked into a Tennis shop, I would be dumb as a brick.

I always give them a break on most occasions. Especially the young one's just learning.
What I do not like is rude behavior. And that is a rarity. Although I have seen a few total jerks along the way. (on BOTH sides) More on the customer side than on the employee side.)

 

[blume357]

The guy behind the counter probably had a big Glock tattoo on his arm like the gun smith at a 4 day course I was taking who explained to me my my Sig could never be accurate while he was improving my friend's Glocks sights.... the next day I shot a perfect score on the qualification test and my friend with the improved Glock did not even pass.

But to get real, my experience with problems with handguns... usually it's not the gun, it's the 'defective' devise using it. That is from personal experience.

 

[Sam Summey]

Not to change the subject but, Ruger is not the first firearms company to have had trouble "right out of the box". I am sure many are familiar with Colt's new Python. Seems every "tester" had issues, there was a blog set up by new owners to vent their frustrations. After several years I figured Colt had fixed their problems. They introduced the 3" model and I treated myself to one for my birthday in 2023. After the first 25-50 rounds the action locked up. I took the side plate off and flushed the chip out by liberally application of CLP Breakfree and air gun. Back to the range for the next hopefully 100 rounds. No problems of 357 Mag. The next trip to the range for another 100 rounds after about 50 rounds the cylinder latch wouldn't budge. A block of wood and a hammer got the cylinder unlatched. Back home to the shop. Disassembled the side plate cleaned the cylinder ratchet and locking pin, found no issues. Re assembled the firearm and did some dryfire practice went to open the cylinder again stuck again. I inspected the hole in the ratchet that the locking pin protrudes into no debris to cause a jammed situation. I disassembled the action and broke the leading edge of the locking pin with 600 grit emery paper, the latch now seems to work OK.
Now the point of this discussion is Ruger is known to make quality products at an affordable price, they make lots of them. Occasionally some parts, due to die wear are less than satisfactory and cause unacceptable performance. Ruger stands behind their products, if there is a problem, they fix it. Once in a while an older part fails, and the firearm is out of production Ruger can no longer supply a part. Sounds like 99% of the MAX pistols work, a few have flawed parts, Ruger cheerfully fixed them. I have been a gunsmith for 19 years, I have sent few firearms back to Ruger for repair. In the same frame of time, I have sent many firearms back to Taurus, yes, they will fix them sooner or later or even replace the firearm. I have never sent a firearm to Ruger that wasn't repaired, none have had to be replaced.

I recently learned that the Action Pistol Champion Jesse Harrison has shed the mantle of Taurus Sponsorship. Best of luck Jesse!

 

[Sam Summey]

The guy behind the counter probably had a big Glock tattoo on his arm like the gun smith at a 4 day course I was taking who explained to me my my Sig could never be accurate while he was improving my friend's Glocks sights.... the next day I shot a perfect score on the qualification test and my friend with the improved Glock did not even pass.

But to get real, my experience with problems with handguns... usually it's not the gun, it's the 'defective' devise using it. That is from personal experience.

I knew of a guy at a LGS who taught NC Concealed Carry class who would harass people who were left-handed, or didn't use a SIG product for the training class. I had a woman who was left-handed and used a Glock that this guy had reduced her to tears and humiliated her to the point she asked for a refund and left his class. She took my class but was in a nervous jerk for the first part of the class. She was smart, and a skillful shooter, she had no problem passing my class which was more advanced than the basic NC requirements.

 

[bowzette]

I think the G42 and 43 are the same physical size. If so, for ME at least, the 9mm makes more sense.

I have both. The 42 is a bit smaller and lighter. Depending upon the pocket it may be enough to make a difference. I can pocket carry the 42 with cargo size pockets. The added weight makes the 43 less comfortable-yes I know what Client Smith says

 

[WalterEmrick]

Not to change the subject but, Ruger is not the first firearms company to have had trouble "right out of the box". I am sure many are familiar with Colt's new Python. Seems every "tester" had issues, there was a blog set up by new owners to vent their frustrations. After several years I figured Colt had fixed their problems. They introduced the 3" model and I treated myself to one for my birthday in 2023. After the first 25-50 rounds the action locked up. I took the side plate off and flushed the chip out by liberally application of CLP Breakfree and air gun. Back to the range for the next hopefully 100 rounds. No problems of 357 Mag. The next trip to the range for another 100 rounds after about 50 rounds the cylinder latch wouldn't budge. A block of wood and a hammer got the cylinder unlatched. Back home to the shop. Disassembled the side plate cleaned the cylinder ratchet and locking pin, found no issues. Re assembled the firearm and did some dryfire practice went to open the cylinder again stuck again. I inspected the hole in the ratchet that the locking pin

Agreed. For me shooting a mouse gun was a difficult transition and figuring out what part of the problem was me and what part was the firearm was very difficult to ascertain. If I hadn't bought two of them to compare, I'm not sure I could have isolated the problem.

 

[Sam Summey]

Big hands and little handguns sometime don't mix. I once took a 380 PPK in trade. I sold it to a guy who had huge hands, nothing but trouble. I bought it back. Resold it to another customer with normal size hands, no problem whatsoever, It's been 7-10 years, no complaints he drops by regularly.

 

[WalterEmrick]

You nailed that for sure. I picked up a Hogue grip which helped a bit, but I can loose that mouse gun in my mitts. Having said that, I'm on target enough to consider it a decent self defense firearm. I'm confident over time even that will get better. Good to hear you were thoughtful enough and able to find a person the firearm fit. My favorite pistol is a P95. The thing is a brick. Fits my hands perfectly.

 

[HoosierBilly1]

I am considering to get rid of my Security 9 (only because my finger tips are too slik and I can't grasp like I used to) and use my P95 instead. It doesn't fit my hand perfectly but I can manipulate it with no problems. I don't understand why the Security 380 is made with better serrations than the Security 9. No problem manipulating the Max9 nor the LCPMax here.

 

[bowzette]

I am considering to get rid of my Security 9 (only because my finger tips are too slik and I can't grasp like I used to) and use my P95 instead. It doesn't fit my hand perfectly but I can manipulate it with no problems. I don't understand why the Security 380 is made with better serrations than the Security 9. No problem manipulating the Max9 nor the LCPMax here.

Get Talon Grip tape for the grip and for the slide. I can operate my G26 easily with the tape and really suffer without it due to arthritis. I like the rough skateboard like tape for the slide. The 26 has a stiff, strong recoil spring compared to my G19, 43 and 42.

 

[9x19]

My sampe size is considerably smaller, but of the three I own, (one 75th) each has performed just fine. My ammo selection used was 85gr JHP, 90gr JHP and 95gr FMJ. I do prefer the feel with the 12 round magazines vs the 10rd.