Good Internet Source For Black Powder Basics?

Montelores

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Hi, All -

I'm interested in learning about black powder pistol and rifle shooting - the rudiments, because I know nothing at all about the subject.

I have questions about BP substitutes (corrosive?) and clean-up requirements, loading instructions, ball or projectile types, calibers, and hazards for beginners (also known as "Can I screw up badly enough to hurt myself or others?").

Is there a reliable website for this?

Also, are all Ruger Old Army revolvers 3-screw models? Are they a better beginner's tool than one of the other manufacturers?

Thanks to all -

Monty
 
Yes, all Old Army revolvers are three-screw guns. They are the tank of the cap and ball revolver world - IMHO the best quality, most durable C&B revolver available.

You can find a lot of books about general muzzle loading subjects at Track of the Wolf, and also most anything you would want or need for the hobby.

Lyman publishes a pretty basic handbook covering black powder shooting that should answer most of your questions. You might also see if there is a muzzleloading gun club in your area; I'm sure they would be delighted to help you get started.
 
Thanks very much, Enigma.

That sounds like a good place to start.

By the way, what scrutiny should a prospective purchaser give to a used Old Army? Bore? Cylinder? Lock-up?

What are the problems associated with a used Old Army revolver?

And is stainless steel better in terms of durability against BP corrosion?

Thanks again -

Monty
 
Dixie Gun Workks catalog is fun even if you do not shoot, I worked in Union Tennessee at the Goodyear plant on an environmental survey. While there I spent a bit of time in Dixie's showroom. Fun place. Only place I have ever been that had the items you would need to build your own Civil War field howitzer. How cool is that?

Lyman book is good, NMLRA publications and NRA publications.
 
When you said black powder (BP) rifle and pistol shooting, does that include BP cartridge rifles and pistols?

If so:
Basic guides to BPCR reloading
www.wahsatchdesperadoes.com/Intro_to_BPCR_Loading.pdf

You’ll need Adobe to open it.

http://www.bpcr.net/index-a.htm
-- click on “Technical Information”
-- Scroll down to Dick Trent BPCR reloading guide

As an aside, books by Mike Venturino:

“Shooting Buffalo Rifles of the Old West“
www.buffaloarms.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=163839&CAT=4150

“Shooting Lever Guns of the Old West.”
http://www.buffaloarms.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=163978&CAT=4150

“Shooting Six Guns of the Old West”
http://www.buffaloarms.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=164064&CAT=4150

“Sharps Rifle the Gun that Shaped American Destiny”
Provides a copies of the Sharps Rifle Co. instructions for reloading shells, etc.
http://www.buffaloarms.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=164051&CAT=4150

See also: www.shilohrifle.com/forums/index.php
 
Montelores said:
Thanks very much, Enigma.

That sounds like a good place to start.

By the way, what scrutiny should a prospective purchaser give to a used Old Army? Bore? Cylinder? Lock-up?

What are the problems associated with a used Old Army revolver?

And is stainless steel better in terms of durability against BP corrosion?

Thanks again -

Monty


Well,
I can't type good enough to tell ya what ya need to know.
So here ya go. Shot with Geo for about 10 years. So start here.
It just doesn't get any better.
www.curtrich.com/bpsubsdummies.html
Done it a weeeeeeeeee bit myself :wink:
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Thanks for all the advice, fellows.

I'm looking at a used Ruger Old Army, and it has started the gears turning in my brain.

Now, to just find the time...

Thanks to all -

Monty
 
You're lucky you don't live two hours from Dixie Gun Works or a half hour from Tennessee Valley Muzzleloaders like I do!
 
Montelores said:
Thanks for all the advice, fellows.

I'm looking at a used Ruger Old Army, and it has started the gears turning in my brain.
Now, to just find the time...

Thanks to all -

Monty

That's how it always starts! :P

There are a couple of very knowlegeable cap 'n ball revolver shooters here. Do some searches on "Old Army," and you should get a wealth of info.

One thing I'd suggest when looking at a used gun is to be sure that the nipples are all "free," and not seized. I bought a beater Pietta 1851 Navy, primarily as a wall hanger. I started dinking with it, and it cleaned up pretty nicely. The problem was with the nipples. All six were seized. Five of them came out with a little persuasion. The sixth was a son-of-a-gun. It soaked in penetrant for a year, and was eventually removed with heat and some "impact" medicine from a center punch. Destroyed the nipple, but it came out, and the threads in the cylinder were saved.

Another source that you might find useful is "Gatofeo" over on the Graybeard Outdoors forums. His "Proper Use of a Cap 'n Ball Revolver" is a pretty decent primer. Lots of stuff on the Italian clones, but lots of it is also transferrable to the ROA. It's not gospel, but it's certainly a great starting point.
http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php/topic,3932.0.html

Gatofeo has a similar post over at the Firing Line forums: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207028

FWIW, I find that Remington #11 caps work very well on my ROAs. That's all I use. Others will tell you Remington #10 is the only cap to use (as per the manual), so each to his own.

The previous owner of my first ROA gave me a bunch of stuff with it, including a Ted Cash "snail" style capper, full of caps that didn't fit- too small! There was plenty of grumbling, as I'd have to go "twice around the wheel" before the gun would fire. The first time around the cylinder simply seated the caps fully. When I eventually had the bright idea to try the #11 caps that I had bought, and the sun started shining upon me! I still wonder if the guy sold his revolver because he couldn't get it to run reliably- just because the caps were too small! :oops:

Clean well, as there are a lot of used cap 'n ball revolvers with a lot of rust/corrosion/pitting- including stainless guns! :shock: That said, I think there are a lot of folks shooting badly corroded guns that still seem to perform just fine. Just be aware of the fact that you need to clean well, and perhaps take a peek at the gun a week or two after you clean it and put it away. I've had some creeping crud "appear" on my first ROA, long after I had put it away "clean." It was pitted when I bought it, so it wasn't a heartbreaker, but it's something to keep in mind.

Don't be afraid of, or intimidated by, the cap 'n ball revolvers. Read up a little, and have at it. They're fun to fool around with, and (especially if you get a beater to start with) there's not really anything to wreck. I'm mostly a rimfire kind of guy, but the cap 'n ball guns can be a real hoot!

Happy reading, and good shooting!
 

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