Well worth what this is going to cost you. May keep you out of trouble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik#t=40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik#t=40
Don't talk to Cops
- Thread starter Bear Paw Jack
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OP
Ron White is correct. Lot's of people fall into that category. Any cop show you see, they want people talking about what happened. They say they can only help you if you tell them what happened. Get in front of it, so I can help you. RIGHT!!!! I especially like what he said about the IRS. :)
Be sure and watch the next session with the cop. He says everything the lawyer said is correct. The cop did a great job.
Rick Courtright
Hawkeye
Wyandot Jim said:
Hi,
Did I hear right that he's also now a law student?
Rick C
People who talk fast are trying to sell you something. Follow the money. If you get pulled over and you lawyer up, you will spend a lot of time, and money for nothing. IMO. I am polite, I say yes sir, and no sir. Here is my license and registration, sir. I have had them come to my house on a bogus health and welfare call. I talked with them. Invited them in ( yep, I had been burning incense cause the house stunk). I knew some of the 5 deputies. If you are being charged with something, and being read your Miranda rights, then is where you lawyer up, and shut up!
gramps
gramps
Jim Puke
Hunter
I am polite...but not talkative with them...as I have never been stopped when I was guilty of an infraction...so they have been fishing and I don't particularly appreciate that.
Rick Courtright said:
Yep that was my impression. He was pretty smooth on how to interview someone.
I do believe this was for more than a traffic stop.
By the way you do not have to have your Miranda rights read to you unless you are being asked questions. A lot of Stupid people will give them selves up on their own. That can be used against you without Miranda rights.
OP
Quote {I do believe this was for more than a traffic stop.}
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner. Correcto mundo
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner. Correcto mundo
Rick Courtright
Hawkeye
Wyandot Jim said:
Hi,
A buddy was asked to come in and answer some questions. No arrest, no Miranda. He answered 'em... and they let him go.
Next thing he knew, he was wearing silver bracelets, and it cost him a metric boatload of money, time, and worry before everything was dismissed. Yet the arrest remains on his record, and efforts to get the DA to remove, seal, expunge or whatever they do to make it go away have been futile.
"You have the right to remain silent..." I used to think like the lawyer said, "I've got nothing to hide" but after seeing my buddy's situation where he didn't either, I've got nothing to say in the future.
Rick C
OP
Wyandot Jim said:
Exactly!!! What he said. Some very good insights. I can tell you criminals are a sure example of the gene pool having a LOT of sludge in it.
Bull Barrel
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There is no ustice in the justice system.
After a friend was arested on a BS charge he had a shirt made which read, "You have the right to reman silent. Verything ou say will be twisted and used against you".
After a friend was arested on a BS charge he had a shirt made which read, "You have the right to reman silent. Verything ou say will be twisted and used against you".
This video has been around awhile, and is something that everyone should watch. I insisted that my grown children watch it a few years ago when I discovered it. My youngest son, who was an LEO in a major midwestern city at the time, said "if everyone refused to talk to us we'd never solve most of the crimes that are reported, but.... the professor is absolutely right". Remember that the job of the police is not to seek justice, but to clear the case. When they say "anything you say can and will be used against you" they mean that literally. Anything you say that works to exonerate you will be ignored.
I do not mean to steal the thread but just a few years ago a relative of mine was driving one of my cars and was stopped and arrested by the police for possession of marijuana. The senior officer at the scene asked me (my relative had called me to come to the scene to get the car) if the car was mine or did it belong to the relative. I stupidly engaged this officer in conversation, saying it was my car (the title and registration are in my name) but that this relative was the primary used at the time. The police refused to let me take the car from the scene, and later claimed that I had said the car belonged to the relative. They held the car for 5 months. It cost me $2,000 for an attorney to get a hearing at which time the judge reprimanded the city for seizing my car and ordered it returned to me. After sitting in an impounding lot all this time, not only did I have to pay a $300 fee to the municipality to get the car out, but the brakes had frozen/rusted which ended up costly me another $2,000. So $4,300 later I had the car but most likely had I said nothing to the police at the scene, they would have had no basis on which to hold the vehicle. So much for being open and honest with the police, even when I was not accused of any crime.
I now pay for help from CCW in case I am ever involved in a self defense shooting. After calling them, I would then call 911. I would follow Mossad Ayoub's advice as to what I would say to the police when they arrive: that I am the victim, that I am willing to sign a complaint, I would point out the evidence and witnesses if there were any, and I would end with "I will make a full statement in 24 hours after conferring with my attorney". And not a word more.
I do not mean to steal the thread but just a few years ago a relative of mine was driving one of my cars and was stopped and arrested by the police for possession of marijuana. The senior officer at the scene asked me (my relative had called me to come to the scene to get the car) if the car was mine or did it belong to the relative. I stupidly engaged this officer in conversation, saying it was my car (the title and registration are in my name) but that this relative was the primary used at the time. The police refused to let me take the car from the scene, and later claimed that I had said the car belonged to the relative. They held the car for 5 months. It cost me $2,000 for an attorney to get a hearing at which time the judge reprimanded the city for seizing my car and ordered it returned to me. After sitting in an impounding lot all this time, not only did I have to pay a $300 fee to the municipality to get the car out, but the brakes had frozen/rusted which ended up costly me another $2,000. So $4,300 later I had the car but most likely had I said nothing to the police at the scene, they would have had no basis on which to hold the vehicle. So much for being open and honest with the police, even when I was not accused of any crime.
I now pay for help from CCW in case I am ever involved in a self defense shooting. After calling them, I would then call 911. I would follow Mossad Ayoub's advice as to what I would say to the police when they arrive: that I am the victim, that I am willing to sign a complaint, I would point out the evidence and witnesses if there were any, and I would end with "I will make a full statement in 24 hours after conferring with my attorney". And not a word more.
pisgah
Buckeye
I have a great friend who is now retired from two careers as a homicide investigator and a US Marshal. His advice is the same -- don't talk.
The last time I had any interaction with a local LEO I called him a free lance tax collector. The time before that (probably 12 years ago) they showed up on my property acting stupid because of a call a neighbor had made I knew nothing about. I was sitting in a car talking with my sister when they hit the back of the car & started yelling. When I got done yelling they were apologizing & trying to leave. I went to the county police station & complained the following Monday. Wannabe cowboy Idiots.
I would have probably been better off not calling the guy a free lance tax collector for writing me a ticket for the blown tag light.
I would have probably been better off not calling the guy a free lance tax collector for writing me a ticket for the blown tag light.
coach
Hunter
I watched 48 hours last night and they were able to convict the guy of 1 murder and new he committed 2 more just because he let a Texas Ranger into his house and talked to him. Good for the Ranger, but without talking to him, the DA never would have been able to get the search warrant that got the ball rolling.
OP
Remember what Billy the kid said, "I'll make you famous." Some of these folks want credit for the deed they did. Just got to sell someone.
Precision32
Blackhawk
I had a deputy give me a free ride to the Sheriff's office one time. He started asking me all kinds of questions. I asked him "Isn't there something about not having to answer your questions in the Constitution?" He said that if I didn't answer his questions he would book me in as a "John Doe" and "it will take longer to bail you out." I countered that he had my State issued photo ID and if he bookd me as a "John Doe" he would be submitting a false official report, a criminal offense, and that I would have his f**king badge. "You don't believe me, try me." He booked me under my proper name and my bondsman had the paperwork done before the SO did.
coach
Hunter
While I know it's just TV, but I like the show "The Closer". They generally get the guilty party to confess, by lying to them, tricking them or making them think they are getting off of the more serious charge, basically by doing what the cop in the video said he does and what lawyer in the video says not to do.
OP
Closer and Major crimes work on the same premise. Good shows, but learn from them. Don't ever believe "I'm form the government and hear to help you." It's a big lie. Legal for them to lie.
coach
Hunter
One thing I never knew is that nothing you say in an interview can be used in your defense. Another reason to be quiet.
picketpin
Buckeye
as a retired LEO, NEVER talk to the cops. They are NOT your friend. If under questioning or asked to show up at the station, decline. If they insist you ask, am I under arrest? AM I free to go? The SECOND they say no or that your are under investifgation, shut the .....up and ask for an attorney and never say another word without him present and I'd think hard about that.
The police are NOT your friend. They are NOT looking for the truth. They ARE looking for a conviction. The Supreme Court has ruled that they are completely free to lie to you, trick you or anything else short of torture and frankly I think 24 hours of questioning is torture.
Your are the pawn in the system.
I figure they'll get angry and kill me if ever arrested because I'd say nothing and ask for counsel and put my head on the table and go to sleep till the attorney shows up. If you need to urinate and they won't take you, use the corner.
Currently under investigation by the Justice Department are two cops in TX with a 85% closure rate on homicides within 72 hours with 90% coming from confessions. Anybody that thinks that's a righteous rate has never been part of the system.
Keep quite. I'll also I'll add the only time I's request a jury is if I was guilty as HELL. JUries are sheep. If innocent I'd much rather put my trust in the "LEGAL technicalities."
Ross W Thomas
The police are NOT your friend. They are NOT looking for the truth. They ARE looking for a conviction. The Supreme Court has ruled that they are completely free to lie to you, trick you or anything else short of torture and frankly I think 24 hours of questioning is torture.
Your are the pawn in the system.
I figure they'll get angry and kill me if ever arrested because I'd say nothing and ask for counsel and put my head on the table and go to sleep till the attorney shows up. If you need to urinate and they won't take you, use the corner.
Currently under investigation by the Justice Department are two cops in TX with a 85% closure rate on homicides within 72 hours with 90% coming from confessions. Anybody that thinks that's a righteous rate has never been part of the system.
Keep quite. I'll also I'll add the only time I's request a jury is if I was guilty as HELL. JUries are sheep. If innocent I'd much rather put my trust in the "LEGAL technicalities."
Ross W Thomas
Precision32
Blackhawk
The attorney that advises me told me that not having a jury is nothing but a slow guilty plea.picketpin said:
He also advised me that he had to obey the rules of court. He said that because I was not an attorney I would not be expected to know those. He told me to have a ball. I was able to twist the witness all around, exposed their perjury and even got them to exclaim, from the stand, that they had to lie to get what they wanted. The SA just about messed his skivvies on that one.
