Deteriation of the language.....

Bob Wright

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TV talking still gets to me. I've heard "howse-ez" so much I hardly even blink anymore. But the latest is "import-unt (for important) to sort of give the same effect as fingernails on the blackboard.

Who is responsible for teaching these young people these days? Do teachers no longer correct poor English?
 
Bob Wright said:
TV talking still gets to me. I've heard "howse-ez" so much I hardly even blink anymore. But the latest is "import-unt (for important) to sort of give the same effect as fingernails on the blackboard.

Who is responsible for teaching these young people these days? Do teachers no longer correct poor English?
Local accents. My grandma was from Knoxvll Tinasee. Park the car sounds very different in Boston than in El Paso. All the words are spelled the same everywhere.
 
I can easily understand most accents, but there have been a few over the years that sounded like a foreign language. There are a few people who have a natural gift for immediately understanding any English language accent. A good example would be June Cleaver...
 
"Deteriation" of the language? :?
:lol:
 
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Pat-inCO said:
Bob Wright said:
Do teachers no longer correct poor English?
A full half of demz do neven speak English. I mean it's like, well maby like even,
like English is their fifth language. You tink?

I would definitely agree that to most of the teachers in my city English is a second language...Proper English isn't even 5th.
 
My main gripe. Seems like everyone talks too fast, like they have to say their entire sentence in 3 seconds or less. Especially those younger than 30.
 
And, please don't get me started on the lack of punctuation and capital letters in written text, like on forums! It drives me nuts when someone types in one huge, run-on sentence instead of a paragraph! I realize that it comes from texting on phones, but how much effort does it take to add a few periods and capital letters? And then, there's auto-correct... one of my first actions with any phone is to turn OFF auto-correct!
 
Mokwaw said:
My main gripe. Seems like everyone talks too fast, like they have to say their entire sentence in 3 seconds or less. Especially those younger than 30.


. . . particularly the young ladies answering the phone at the doctor's office and other sites.

:roll:
 
Enigma said:
And, please don't get me started on the lack of punctuation and capital letters in written text, like on forums! It drives me nuts when someone types in one huge, run-on sentence instead of a paragraph! I realize that it comes from texting on phones, but how much effort does it take to add a few periods and capital letters? And then, there's auto-correct... one of my first actions with any phone is to turn OFF auto-correct!

i never did learn proper english nor did i learn where to put periods or commas and i didn't learn where one paragraph ends and another begins. but i did retire at 50 with a great retirement.........
 
My wife, the reading teacher, has a sticker on her school laptop that says “I’m silently correcting your grammar”. It never fails to get a laugh and comment when she meets with parents.
I love spellcheck and even autocorrect although it can cause some goofy errors. It seems the older I get the worse my spelling is. You’d think by now I would remember how to spell most of the words I use.
 
Hi,

For what it's worth, I don't think "English" has been taught in close to forever in my part of the world.

I had a fun project last summer, proof reading papers for a couple of friends. One's an undergrad, working on her BA in English, and a teaching credential to go along with it. The other was finishing up her doctorate, to top off a BA in English and two Masters degrees. Today she's in admin, but she spent a number of years in the classroom, teaching English, sometimes to native speakers, other times to "English learners" (ELs) as apparently it's now fashionable to call what we used to call ESL students--English as a second language.

When I got started, I asked each one how much red ink they wanted to see on the draft copies (I won't proof read on screen--like many of us who are "my age" I find it too easy to miss errors on the screen which will just fly in your face off a piece of paper.) They both said "tear it apart!"

I started with one red pen. I now have a few remains of a 12 pack in the drawer... and I believe I did no harm as they reported back with glowing reports on their various papers.

Both of these ladies are quite intelligent, native English speakers, can carry on a pretty good conversation (if one doesn't mind a few too many "likes" floating about among the other words), but heavens, can they butcher up the language when they try to put in into print! I can't hold typos against them, because, as this thread demonstrates, nobody's immune from making them. But grammar, sentence structure, "READABILITY": the errors I picked out were amazing! One day I was in the library; not working on "my" students' work, but there was a lady about my age sitting close enough to hear the entire conversation. She was working with another undergrad student from the same university, and the conversation went something like this: "You (to the student) have a lot of good ideas, and it appears you have a very good vocabulary." Then she took her red pen and put a big red "x" across the first page (another "doesn't work on screen person".) "But SOMEBODY is going to have to READ this paper. So take it home, and rework it. Keep your ideas, use your big words, but make it READABLE." I resisted the urge, but wanted so much to go talk to her and tell her "Thank you" for telling her student something the young lady had probably never been told.

One of the biggest problems I see contributing to this "deteriation" (sorry, Bob, that one's gonna take some time to shake off!) is the lack of "drill and kill" in our education system these days. "Learning should be fun" and similar chants I've heard make it seem a terrible thing to make kids do the same things over and over--unless they're in sports where they call it "practice." How many of you remember going thru the alphabet time after time, a building block for learning to read phonetically (which worked for centuries), or spelling words, complete with informal classroom spelling bees? Or, heaven forbid, diagramming sentences?

"Just between you and I" that last one will draw empty looks from English teacher after English teacher around here. But it was probably the most important building block in learning to use and write the language I can remember, and would knock this ubiquitous yet still improper use of personal pronouns right in the dirt. For giggles, I asked a friend if they ever diagrammed sentences in school. I went to a Catholic high school for a couple of years, Latin included, and she went to the public high school right across the street, a couple of years before me. "Oh, yes, I remember diagramming sentences! We did it in high school, in LATIN!" I did it mostly in 7th grade, in English. And just when we thought we had it nailed, dear ol ' Mrs. Morse would pull a couple of sentences out of Shakespeare to throw us off! When it came to "following the rules" as we learned them, even the Bard himself butchered the language pretty well! I think she was trying to teach us that just about every "rock solid" rule in English has at least one exception. So the problem's been around for a while!

Rick C
 
Rick Courtright said:
"Just between you and I" that last one will draw empty looks from English teacher after English teacher around here.

Rick C
If I had a dollar for every pronoun misusage I've heard on broadcast TV and radio--from supposed communications professionals!--in the last ten years, I could retire. To my own private island. In the Bahamas. One big enough to land my Learjet. :lol:
 
Here are 2 words that *professionals* butcher constantly:

Egzit for Exit

Lugury for Luxury

So many more... :)
 
Cholo said:
Here are 2 words that *professionals* butcher constantly:

Egzit for Exit

Lugury for Luxury

So many more... :)
Ex-cape for escape.

And Calvary for cavalry. This one drives me nuts.

Also, "equally as...." "Equally" means "as." You don't need them both and it sounds stupid.

Other things that sound stupid:

Orientate.

"Infer" when someone means "imply."

And "comprised of." The whole comprises the parts, or is composed of the parts. There's no such thing as "comprised of."

And "step foot." You either step somewhere, or you set foot there, you don't "step foot." Unless you're a moron. :roll:
 
English is not my first language, so I shy from correcting other peoples' English. There are two things I dislike about people abusing the Noble Language of Shakespeare: First, those who assume their pronunciation of it is the correct one, and everyone else's is wrong, and, second, those who criticize other peoples' grammar or spelling and incur in grammar or spelling mistakes while doing it.

Finally, a warning: Never ask a French woman about her "English".
 
And my favorite is using, "pre" with a verb, as in, "preheat", "predrill" and others.
And then using the prefix on a word that is past tense, as in, "preheated".
Then there is, "preplanned".

Plan on its own is done before an action. Putting pre on the word means you plan before you plan. Then, "planned" is the past tense of plan. You have done it. The addition of, "pre" is redundant and actually impossible to do, a long with preheat and the rest.
You heat the oven. You drill the hole. You can't heat or drill before you heat or drill.
 
I find it amusing when people use words or phrases that they don't understand or get totally wrong. Such as "a hard road to hoe" instead of the correct "hard row to hoe" (why would they think anyone hoes a road?). Recently on a forum someone was trying to say that the person being discussed was a non-drinker, a teetotaler. But he wrote it as "tea toddler" (close but no cigar!). And of course the very common "I could care less" when what they really mean to say is "I could NOT care less".
 
I was always bumfuzzled about "A" and "An"
All the gun writers used to say "an S&W",but then they would say "A Ruger"
 
A is before a consonant. AN is before a vowel. There are exceptions like if the 1st letter of the word is silent. I'm sure that there are others.

I still screw up the English language. There are very few on this Forum who (not that) know when to use who and when to use that :)

PS: I knew it was A Smith & Wesson and it was AN S&W. I never thought much about it, but the letter S (ess) sounds like a vowel so you'd use AN. I looked it up and that's what the so called experts say :)
 
Mega Twin said:
I was always bumfuzzled about "A" and "An"
All the gun writers used to say "an S&W",but then they would say "A Ruger"

I ave always felt it perfectly acceptable to say "an S&W..." or "an H&R.." as each has a vowel sound.

Bob Wright
 
Bull Barrel said:
Preventative instead of preventive.
Foot-pounds instead of pound-feet.
SoSecurity.
Washton, D.C.
Dident instead of didn't.
Woodent instead of wouldn't.
Go to any store and try to buy a 0 - 500 'pounds feet' wrench. You won't find any. They are sold as foot pound or inch pound. All my torque wrenches are either foot pound or inch pound. Pounds feet is what Infantry does.
 

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