American Gen 2 Scout Rifle

[Landsandgrooves]

I just wanted to drop in to let Ruger fans know of a limited run of Ruger Scout Rifles on the American Gen 2 platform.

We worked with Lipseys and Ruger on this project to mark 30 years of Gun Talk Radio. Long rail, aperture rear sight, AR-type front sight, threaded barrel (16 inch), etc. In 5.56 and .308. All sales are through Durys Guns and its GunBroker account.

We have worked on this for months, and it turned out great. Just a fun little project.

Thanks for letting me share this.

Tom Gresham

 

[Landsandgrooves]

Details at guntalkscout dot com.

 

[Mobuck]

I simply don't understand. The 'SCOUT' concept was originally designed to allow stripper clip loading with a scope in place. A mag fed action negates ANY such use.
I 'built' 3-4 'scout' type rifles using M-95 and 98 barreled actions simply because they were cheap and available. Unfortunately, unless one could/would spend the big bucks for the right scope to top it off, the results weren't great. Currently, there are many optics options that are more budget friendly but still doesn't change the fact that a 'SCOUT' with detachable magazine is just another carbine.

 

[Landsandgrooves]

I like the premise of Trapper or scout length rifles. I will never use that forward scope rail but I definitely like the receiver sight. I cannot tell by the pictures if the rail is removable leaving the rear sight standing alone. I also went to multiple sites for more info and all I learned is that they will be difficult to purchase.

I don’t understand the “difficult to purchase “ comment. It’s a simple GunBroker purchase, the same as any other. What am I missing?

 

[Landsandgrooves]

I simply don't understand. The 'SCOUT' concept was originally designed to allow stripper clip loading with a scope in place. A mag fed action negates ANY such use.
I 'built' 3-4 'scout' type rifles using M-95 and 98 barreled actions simply because they were cheap and available. Unfortunately, unless one could/would spend the big bucks for the right scope to top it off, the results weren't great. Currently, there are many optics options that are more budget friendly but still doesn't change the fact that a 'SCOUT' with detachable magazine is just another carbine.

Stripper clips versus detachable magazines. I think mags have completely replaced stripper clips and are much better. When Cooper was working on the concept four decades ago, that wasn't the case.

 

[nekvermont]

I simply don't understand. The 'SCOUT' concept was originally designed to allow stripper clip loading with a scope in place. A mag fed action negates ANY such use.
I 'built' 3-4 'scout' type rifles using M-95 and 98 barreled actions simply because they were cheap and available. Unfortunately, unless one could/would spend the big bucks for the right scope to top it off, the results weren't great. Currently, there are many optics options that are more budget friendly but still doesn't change the fact that a 'SCOUT' with detachable magazine is just another carbine.

I didn't know the concept of the "scout". I actually learned something today.

 

[Landsandgrooves]

This may be more than many want to take on, but if you're interested in the history and concept of the Scout Rifle, Richard Mann's book is a great place to start.

His introduction starts:

"The Scout Rifle in an enigma but to many it's an abomination, used by those stuck in the 20th, if not the 19th, century. To others it's a cult-like religion in which there exists grand poobahs who repeat the words of Jeff Cooper as gospel, and worship at an alter of a mythical rifle that's never existed. For many more, in fact for most, the Scout Rifle is simply something they do not understand, a perplexing, puzzling, oddity, or a survival-line implement, sitting in the corner of some prepper's basement."

Further down he explains "The Scout Rifle is a Jeep, a Bronco, a Blazer, or maybe more appropriately, an International Scout. It is a vehicle that can do almost anything well. It is the SUV of rifles."

https://www.amazon.com/Scout-Rifle-...refix=richard+mann+scout+rifle,aps,251&sr=8-1

 

[GYJ44]

I simply don't understand. The 'SCOUT' concept was originally designed to allow stripper clip loading with a scope in place. A mag fed action negates ANY such use.
I 'built' 3-4 'scout' type rifles using M-95 and 98 barreled actions simply because they were cheap and available. Unfortunately, unless one could/would spend the big bucks for the right scope to top it off, the results weren't great. Currently, there are many optics options that are more budget friendly but still doesn't change the fact that a 'SCOUT' with detachable magazine is just another carbine.

Actually the stripper clip aspect came much later. The concept was originally centered around the Remington 600 Mohawk. The use of stripper clips was never a requirement. The Steyr Scout was literally designed with Jeff Cooper and it featured flush-mounted detachable magazines. A Scout with a detachable magazine box like the AICS pattern does not negate the whole concept. It's just a little less one hand carry friendly.

 

[Landsandgrooves]

Update: Ruger shipped these rifles to Lipseys last week. Limited run. Durys Guns, the exclusive retailer, should start shipping orders next week.

 

[the_leper_colony]

... A mag fed action negates ANY such use... a 'SCOUT' with detachable magazine is just another carbine.

FWIW & IIRC, Jeff Cooper noted that caliber might vary from his preferred .308 in various parts of the world, and mentioned .303 and the Lee-Enfield specifically (in at least one of his written comments). Obviously, most Lee-Enfields allowed loading via clips, and I think they all used detachable mags. I've got an 1898 Lee-Enfield Cavalry Carbine MkII that I always intended to equip with a forward rail (it's not in collectible condition); I have the rail and a Springfield Armory Scout Scope to go on it, but that's so far down my list of projects that I'll probably never get around to it!

 

[Landsandgrooves]

Quick update: The first of the Ruger Scout Rifles will begin shipping next week.

 

[WAYNO]

I will follow up on this a little bit.

I like this rifle and hopefully I will find one.
I tried to buy this rifle from GunBroker. Their software, or whatever, was dysfunctional, at best.
Either the item showed up as sold or unavailable, or when it showed in stock, GunBroker's software continually declined my purchase as a not accepted credit card number. I use it every day, and I know my credit cards work.
In the meantime, I'm finding this rifle elsewhere, but most often also sold out.
There is a store in Texas claiming they have this rifle in stock.
Not knowing any more if I'm entering a scam site, I am leery.
Does anybody really know if Champiom Firearms is the real thing?

https://www.championfirearms.com/Ruger-American-Scout-Rifle-Gen-2-308WIN-46981-p/46981.htm

 

[WAYNO]

I did take the plunge. Hope this FFL is okay. All my searches online show them to be the real deal.

 

[kmoore]

I did take the plunge. Hope this FFL is okay. All my searches online show them to be the real deal.

I would like a range and use report, doubt I am the only 1. Sounds like a good deal and great rifle.

 

[Rumrunner]

Ditto on the range reports. Good luck with your purchase.

 

[WAYNO]

I would like a range and use report, doubt I am the only 1. Sounds like a good deal and great rifle.

Oh yes. I am excited to get this rifle, and when I do I will beat-feet to the range to wring it out. If you're ever back in town, you can give it a try too.

 

[RC44Mag]

First I’m seeing this and the piece looks great and the price seems good. I’ll be looking for the review.

 

[KIR]

No pictures?
I made some changes to my original. Synthetic stock. XS Rail for larger aperture than OEM, P.E.P.R. scope mount for the Burris scope and a flash hider, not because I want to bust down doors or impale any zombies...
Mine is in .308!

 

[WAYNO]

I received this rifle. Haven't even tried it out yet, other than to remove the flash hider and replace that with a thread protector. And I removed the rail, only to discover the rail is required to keep the peep sight mounted. Too bad, but I can live with the rail in spite of not planning to ever use it.

But in removing the rail, I discovered one of the threaded holes in the barrel for the rail, either has no threads, or the threads are stripped out. Back to Ruger it goes.

 

[GYJ44]

Why would you pay $200 more for a Scout rifle if you're not going to use it as a Scout rifle?

 

[Mobuck]

" A Scout with a detachable magazine box like the AICS pattern does not negate the whole concept. It's just a little less one hand carry friendly."
IIRC, Mr. Cooper didn't trust 'removable magazines' on his rifles because they can be lost. Maybe I'm mis-remembering.

 

[GYJ44]

" A Scout with a detachable magazine box like the AICS pattern does not negate the whole concept. It's just a little less one hand carry friendly."
IIRC, Mr. Cooper didn't trust 'removable magazines' on his rifles because they can be lost. Maybe I'm mis-remembering.

He definitely liked the slick bottom for ease of carrying but there weren't many options for detachable mags back then. The Steyr uses detachable magazines but they're flush fit with the bottom of the stock.

 

[gunzo]

Here's a 3 round AICS type mag that's offered by Ruger, not completely flush but a lot trimmer for carry. I use a stock mounted pouch that contains a 6 round mag & extra ammo. This way the rifle is self served & not depending on a extra rounds that may or may not be in a coat pocket. The 3 rounder shown in a Hawkeye Scout, but results are basically same in the American.

 

[WAYNO]

I do not like removable magazines for hunting either but in a Scout rifle we have little choice. I also use one of these 3 round magazines and it is not cumbersome at all.